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i thought the same.... I was typing out a long post while you guys cheated.

I could be wrong as I was only 16 in 1986 but I think Frank Miller's Dark Knight, which came as Miller was peaking was the greatest thing in comics up until that time (IMO arguably ever). That arc really left an impression as to how dark Batman really was so that started the movement. That was sort of a 'touchstone moment' but I think that the Batman movie in 1989 galvanized the character in American pop culture to non-collectors in a way nothing else did before or ever will again. Leading up to the movie, Batman started gaining popularity in comics, first with Miller's Dark Knight and then artists like Norm Breyfogle and McFarlane and other creators really looking for ways to bring the Dark Knight to new heights building on Miller's vision. All of those artists seemed to draw in a very Milleresque style, trying to capitalize on Miller's dark and grandiose style. But it was Tim Burton's movie that galvanized Batman in the eye of the general public and really made Batman a super star. Tim Burton's Batman movie came out in 1989 and the buzz about the movie created a Batmania like I had never seen before and we will likely never see again. You could literally see it everywhere. Malls, on television, in comic stores. There were debates about Keaton starring in the movie, and while that sounds like a normal thing today's pop culture driven digital world it was unheard of in 1989. That year, 'Tec 27 overtook all other books for most valuable book in the OSPG and everything Batman related shot upward in value almost as fast as a hot book does today. Around that period and moving forward Batman story arcs seemed to dominate from A Lonely Place Of Dying and the death of Robin, to all of the short story arcs that followed, to the new Batman titles and one offs branching out from his popularity. There was so many creators that wanted a shot at working on Batman that it was a reader's dream. And you had things like Batman: Year One, Year Two, etc that still have relevancy today. It's hard to explain what Batmania was like back in 1989 unless you were there. It was sort of like a comic book version of the Beatles coming to America and appearing on the Ed Sullivan show. If anyone is interested in reading up on the history of that movie, this is a terrific read. The movie almost never happened. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-michael-keaton-vetoed-michelle-pfeiffer-role-1989-film-1220139

Not if I was expecting a 9.4 or a 9.6 and got a 9.8. Then they can write whatever they want.

The higher number is not there to make it attractive. It is because most buyers want to negotiate a deal. Should you "earn" the best price or just have it handed to you on a silver platter? That's the art of negotiation. I can't help if you are shy or are uncomfortable negotiating. No matter how low of a price you put on a product someone will unquestionably ask for a better price. Even if it is below market. I had a key book priced below market. Some still offered me 20% less. They are free to but I consider it uncouth. The reason sellers price books the way they do is to be able to hit the broadest client base possible. You can't cover all of the bases but you try to cover most, including people who don't want to negotiate. I can always go down, but if I raise my price during negotiation (which is actually a totally fair thing to do) how will that make the person opposite me that is negotiating feel? I have done it though. When someone is exceedingly difficult and I don't care to sell the book, I'll just start raising my price. Problem solved.

I submitted a book about 15 years ago and the book graded CGC 9.8 The only comment in the notes was "Wow!" - as in, 'Nice book!' I assume the book would have graded higher but it had a miswrap keeping the book out of 9.9. That was a nice one.

My favorite: negotiate a price and then don't take the book. It happens.

Jud has been moving up in the corporate world and is too busy to run the store. The owners decided they'd rather retire the store at a high point that run it half-baked. They always had top notch staff as well. It was a great store and they'll be missed but Jud was always destined for bigger things.

Wow - was that 10 years ago already?? I was at that show with Blowie. I dude walked up to a friend's booth and had a Superman #1 for sale. My friend was away from his booth and had someone watching it for him. The person watching the booth told the guy with the Superman #1 to come back. The guy never returned.

Communication is so simple, it's a wonder that it's being forgotten as an art form. hru? tho hmu btw brb Those sorts of things make me cringe The art of communication is being lost to laziness and impatience. How to approach a dealer about books if you think they are overpriced? It's a simple answer: politely and honestly. I can't tell you how many times I get a message making me an offer quoting a GPA all time low, as if that's the only data point. Or how often I get an offer at 30% off my asking price (and I generally price at fair market value, not an inflated price). Sometimes they throw in the 'I have Paypal to spend right away' as if that's some sort of incentive. I'm going to assume that if you have an offer to bring you plan on paying for it so telling me you're going to pay for it doesn't exactly reinforce me confidence. Anyhow, asking questions respectfully is a pretty easy thing to do but it seems to be something that is becoming more difficult as time passes.

If you have to bump your own thread after 2 hours...

SOLD! One book left. Take it for $475 shipped!

Just so you know, I wasn't specifically posting about you or picking it on you. It just seems to be a common theme lately with people asking why something isn't notated in the notes and your thread just happened to be the last one I read on the topic. It was simply meant to be a public service message as the notes are misunderstood.

No they don't. Whether a book is 'low grade' or 'too low of a grade' for something are two completely different things.

I have never considered 9.0 to be low grade.

I'm not a grader but I guess it depends on the grade of the book. I can see a missing page always being mentioned. Possibly a cut out, although if you are talking about an extremely low grade book I can see it being omitted. There are SO many defects in a lower grade copy it's impossible to list them all effectively. Rust? I would assume most of the time but again, depending on the grade. We've already seen in the other thread that CGC may not list it all the time. It's also possible that the rust happened after the book was graded if the book was stored improperly. That's why I asked the OP in the other thread what the grade of the book was and when it was graded.

Figured this was worth posting as a thread to itself because people seem to be discussing grading notes without realizing that they were never meant to be comprehensive or exhaustive. Grader's notes are not meant to be exhaustive. They never were. They were originally an internal communication between the graders so that they wouldn't miss something as the book passed from one grader to another. As customers called in, graders would recall the notes to help better explain to customers why their books graded the way they did. Eventually, grader's notes became a a public thing unexpectedly and eventually CGC decided to monetize them by making them available to the public if you purchased them a) because they generate revenue b) so that you didn't have to bother graders, who were on the phone constantly reading notes. But the important thing to remember is that notes are not exhaustive and each time you submit the same book the notes may be different depending on what the graders feel compelled to record on that day.

Because grading notes are not comprehensive. What was the grade of the book you bought and when was it graded?

Amazing Spider-man #300 CGC 9.6 White pages Asking price $600 SOLD!

Batman: Dark Knight Returns #1 CGC 9.8 White price lowered to $500 (shipping included)

Thanks. The books are also brighter in person. For some reason my scanner is now pooched and makes everything look darker than it actually is in hand.

Giant Size X-men #1 CGC 9.2 White - stunning copy Asking $4500

Showcase #22 CGC 5.5 OWW - gorgeous page quality on this book. I noticed it when I was flipping through it before it was graded Asking $7000

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Shipping: Certified books, shipping is included FREE within North America, ROW we split it. Raw books, include $10 for shipping within North America. ROW I will split with interested parties.  Who wins: Time stamp seals the deal as to who wins regardless of the form of communication (including PM, in the thread, text or phone conversation). A negotiation is not a deal until both sides have agreed on terms. If there is an unconditional posted (or communicated) it will trump all negotiations unless we have already both agreed to terms before the was posted. In that case, the will have been in vain. Except that it will give you street cred and look cool to passers by. No House Of Shame or Probationary members or any others of ill repute. Returns: I am considered a very good grader among my peers ( Here is a link to my kudos thread ) but since even CGC is inconsistent I will not guarantee a CGC grade. I will guarantee to be within one grade increment in either direction - so if I am calling the book a 9.4 it could go 9.2 or 9.6. If it falls outside of those parameters (and it does happen that they go in both directions), I will offer a refund. But I don't expect anyone to complain if I undergraded it. I will accept returns if item is otherwise not as described. Consider all books pressed. Payment: PayPal, Bank wire, check or MO.

I apologize for adding some reality to the discussion and being right and I accept your apology on behalf of jaydogrules.