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That's about 10% off the Sparkle City copy price. Do you think that price is bullish or bearish?

The voldy copy with a better scan this time. Going for a bundle more this time. Below is the link: https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/amazing-fantasy-15-marvel-1962-cgc-vf-85-off-white-to-white-pages/p/7158-1008.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515 Looks like that copy wasn't brutally over graded like everyone said it was. I thought it was in the ballpark. Someone is going to make out like a bandit!

I don't know about that. Sparkle City got nearly $18K for a 5.5 recently in an eBay auction when it was recently plateaued as a $15K book for the longest time. I just sold my 5.0 for a good number. I've seen other copies selling. I know that some were soft in the CC auction but I think many books were soft because of auction fatigue. I agree that in lower grades it's more common and not rising as quickly but the book seems to be moving. Just my observation.

I believe the last 9.0 sale on GPA @ $178K was Bob's (correct me if I'm wrong) Comiclink also just sold a 9.0 for $275K this summer. It's a legit sale as I've spoken to the buyer about it. CC resold the Northland 9.2 for $375 recently.

Sorry, that was a typo. A 9.2 sold for $300K and a 9.0 sold for $178K

If you're talking about Hulk #1 I'd disagree. There was a large bounce when the 9.0 copy sold for $300K in 2014 and then things cooled for a while as they always do but the book has actually picked up again, especially in higher grades, which if consistent, draw up lower grade copies. And higher grade copies continue to climb although I thought the 8.5 would have finished higher if it happened just a few weeks earlier. Dumping a ton of copies at the end of 3 exhaustive auctions is a lot to absorb (and many other books that are hot went relatively cheap in this auction as well).

The 2.0 had glue notation and tape so while eye appeal was on the higher side for a low grade copy those two notations would have turned some bidders off. I don't think anyone pays a premium for OW pages. Someone just had to have this book at this time.. The 6.5 eye appeal may have bothered some but it still sold very cheap for the grade. The point is that these two books defy what has been happening to Batman #1 in both directions. There is a much larger pool for these two data points to sit in than just the two points.

I don't think it's any fault of the auction house, it's the consignors that want to consign them right now due to varying reasons. Unless of course the auction house would tell each and every consignor who has the same book they'd like to sell but all in different grades that there will be multiple other copies in the auction, than that would be a different story. My comment on auction fatigue wasn't really based on the Hulk #1's. There were quite a few but I've come to expect that, and I don't think a bidder on an 8.5 is going to really bid on a 7.5 or 5.5 (although the 5.5 and the 6.0 were a little close IMO). But there were a LOT of big books in this auction and a few people I spoke to that may have gone after more than 1 big book in this auction didn't go all out in case they actually won and couldn't afford a second big book. Let's face it, an auction with many 6 figure books is a big auction (and we just finished Comiclink and Heritage as well) and most people don't have pockets that deep to spend on funny books even if they are millionaires.

It could go either way. I've seen both low grade copies begin a groundswell that pushes up high grade books and I've seen ultra high grade copies break records and bring up low grade copies as the tide rises (and I could list books that it has happened to both ways). It all depends on how it plays out in the market in regards to availability, supply, demand, etc. What I disagree with with is when one book sets a new record it's assumed that all books immediately follow the same trend. Unless there is reason to believe an outlier is a part of a trend it's really just an outlier. Low grade GA keys has been rising the last few years due to the higher priced on the high grade GA keys. The market will see HG GA keys play catch-up once the lower grades moves up even more. Of course, there are outliers out there, but the rapid rise recently on low grade GA keys are happening. Which keys are you talking about? It literally goes both ways, depending on whether there are a lot of low grade copies building up the base first or a higher grade copy setting a bench mark that everyone accepts and then lower grade copies filling the gap. I don't think low grade is pushing up high grade prices on all GA keys. In many cases, the higher grade copies have sold (Batman #1, and Action #1 highest graded) and then lower copies have followed suit. If you're saying that all Batman #1 2.0 copies are worth $80K now and going to push up the higher grade copies I disagree. There's enough data across the board to show how Batman #1 trends are happening. A 6.5 just sold for less than a 5.5 a few weeks ago. Much less.

The 7.5 went on the low end of the GPA range but if it had sold after the 8.5 it probably would have fetched more. Today's result is decent but I thought it would go for more. 2.5 times the last GPA from 2011 and double the Don and Maggie copy from 2013 is still a decen increase, though. AF #15 would fetch more. I think there is a lot of auction fatigue happening.

Then the notation is pointless if that is the case. It creates confusion IMO.

It could go either way. I've seen both low grade copies begin a groundswell that pushes up high grade books and I've seen ultra high grade copies break records and bring up low grade copies as the tide rises (and I could list books that it has happened to both ways). It all depends on how it plays out in the market in regards to availability, supply, demand, etc. What I disagree with with is when one book sets a new record it's assumed that all books immediately follow the same trend. Unless there is reason to believe an outlier is a part of a trend it's really just an outlier.

IMO there is no need tor a glue notation on a blue label book if it isn't doing anything. Just treat it as a booger (or any other foreign substance) and grade the book accordingly, treating the glue as a defect. It is confusing based on what I know about CGC up to this day.

Not disagreeing with you Roy. But is this dried glue serving a purpose? The residual from the removal? It's possible the glue was removed prior to have the book in the blue label. If it was residual glue from a prior removal of restoration it would still be in a purple label to my knowledge. Even if it didn't improve the grade. It's only pre 1951 GA books that were treated differently according to my knowledge.

Books after 1950 with a dot of glue or color touch do not receive blue labels acc to CGC unless policy has changed. That notation definitely affected bidding.

You can't find it in a small pic. You'd need the book in hand to spot it.

That 6.5 had a 'small drop of dried glue' notation on the cover. I didn't see that when I looked before. That was either a quality control mistake by CGC and it should have been a purple label or CGC has changed their position on a small drop of glue on SA books. That would definitely explain why a CGC 6.5 book sold for less than even a CGC 6.0 copy.

I think you should donate a joke in my direction.

Just so we're clear, my comments are not directed at any one person. I actually have no idea what is going on. I just saw something building into a conversation that I felt didn't belong here. 'Innocent' comments (if there was something behind it, I have no idea) that don't add anything positive are unnecessary. Posting emoticons (if there is something behind it, I have no idea) that don't add anything positive are unnecessary. Sometimes not saying anything is the best course of action if there is nothing positive to contribute. I'll bow out.

Can you guys keep the douchbaggery and drama to yourselves and not in a charity discussion thread? Are you people insane? Donate for yourselves and if you don't want to donate just move along. Why is that so hard?

Even though I'm not an Aquaman or a DC guy, I too think Showcase #30 is the better Aquaman book but I wasn't really trying to draw an exact parallel. I was trying to show that there are always reasons to like or dislike something about a book. I personally believe many people are taking future investment value into account but if you are collecting for enjoyment it's easier to be more clear on what you like (or want). That was my point.

GAtor what do you do when you get balloons for your birthday.

It's personal preference. In a similar vein, Motion Pictures Funnies Weekly #1 is the actual 1st appearance of the Sub-Mariner. It predates Marvel #1. When the story was reprinted in Marvel #1 several pages of new art were added along with some color to the story (MPFW #1 is black and white with a comedy cover unrelated to Subby). But the general consensus is split. May people don't want MPFW #1 even though it's extremely rare (only 10 or 11 copies in existence) because 1) Subby is not on the cover 2) It was never sold on newsstands People buy what they like and should find enjoyment in that.

The BW 8.5 sold for 38.8K in 2012 Yup and a lot has changed since 2012. All big books have multiplied in value. IMO that book should be worth way more than $38K today. Was that one of the books won by the Tadano embezzlement guy? Not to my knowledge.

The BW 8.5 sold for 38.8K in 2012 Yup and a lot has changed since 2012. All big books have multiplied in value. IMO that book should be worth way more than $38K today.