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I wondered this as well. Tough to say without seeing the book in hand but it is possible. If it doesn't, it's still a very good looking 6.5 (call it a 6.75) copy and bidding generally factors in the book as well as the technical grade. Both the 5.0 and the 6.5 copies were both attractive for the grade.

I'm sorry. I have no idea where that idea came from. Still trying to figure it out.

That book has unbelievable appeal. Books with strong appeal always sell for more than average looking books.

The Pacific Coast copy has been in a slab for 15 years now, and it's done just fine so far for each and every owner. Arguably one of the best, if not THE best SA Pedigree. I don't see the TOS #39 PC dropping anytime soon. Especially since the Marvel cinematic universe has made Stark it's center. Low and mid grade copies continue to climb which just puts upward pressure on the best of the best.

Hard to tell from just pics but it looks to be somewhere in the VG range.

Of course they did, with many people calling it the Overprice guide when it first came out, as it was opined that nobody in their right mind would ever even think of paying $300 for a Mint copy of Action Comics #1. Is $300 what Action #1 listed for in the 1st Guide? Does anyone have one handy to list some key prices?

Might be. I haven't had a significant delay in some time.

I got the joke.

I was too young to know, but back in the early 70's did collectors disparage the Guide as inaccurate when they agreed to pay over Guide for books? That was the point of discussion that I was following.

Thank goodness they have a Make Offer button! I don't think too much of a discount since this book was sold in 2014 and up for sale again. That year two 9.2 sold for a record price. Considering a 9.0 just sold for $275K (that's almost what 9.2 copies were fetching and $100K more than what $9.0 copies were fetching 2 years ago) they are probably fishing for offers.

Because in today's 'all show with very little go' market covers take precedence over interiors.

Chuck Rozanski was at least an early pioneer with the use of multiple guide pricing with the Church books. It actually seems kind of quaint now. But don't just take my word for it: comicbookpedigrees.com So people have been paying multiples of Guide for decades. For Edgar Church books, other exceptional pedigrees, and ultra high grade that goes beyond the old NM ceiling of the Guide, yeah. Thought it was pretty common knowledge that Chuck priced the Church books up to as much as 3x guide. But the point I'm making is that people weren't paying multiples because the books were owned by Church. They were paying multiples of Guide because the books were rumored to be the best of the best. And so Guide was already just a guide for the best of the best even from the earliest years.

I know so many people that wished they bought that when it was offered at $100K.

Chuck Rozanski was at least an early pioneer with the use of multiple guide pricing with the Church books. It actually seems kind of quaint now. But don't just take my word for it: comicbookpedigrees.com So people have been paying multiples of Guide for decades.

Were you the original seller of that book as a 5.5?

I absolutely agree that a book with a story is harder to sell. But I also think the book looked undergraded as a 5.5.

It was like watching the Walking Dead in later episodes, where people would make dumb mistakes just to keep the plot going. And there were inconsistencies within the story that I felt took away from making it believable. For example, it's no secret now that Nitro and Luke Case are in the story, but I tried hard to like it but didn't. Also, I felt Jessica could have stopped Kilgrave several times throughout the show. Does anyone else agree?

Where and when did the term 'multiple of Guide' come into use? As far as I know it's been 'forever'.

What a book was to me is irrelevant because it could have been a higher grade or a lower grade. It's only what it is now that matters to me. And I buy (and sell) accordingly. Makes sense. Makes absolutely NO SENSE to me at all. Sounds as though you guys are saying that we should buy the current label, even if we know the book was graded significantly lower in previous occasions. Doesn't matter what was done to the book as the only thing that is relevant is its current grade. So I guess Roy would have been willing to pay full market price for the Church 9.0 copy of Boy Comics #17, even though it was originally graded as a CGC 4.0 copy and then regraded as a CGC 7.5 copy before finally hitting a CGC 9.0 home run on its third try, all while residing in a blue slab. It makes perfect sense. You have no idea whether a book has been in a higher or a lower grade holder (although you are conveniently assuming it was in a lower grade holder of the sake of this discussion) or if it was ever in a holder at all. Roy; Looks like we are not quite in synch here. I was referring to graded books where we clearly know that it was previously encased in a substantially lower graded slab. Like the CGC 7.5 AF 15 which we all now know was previously a CGC 5.5 copy or the Church 9.0 copy of Boy Comics 17 which everybody knew at the time was initially only a CGC 4.0 graded copy. You seem to be referring to first time graded books or possible previously graded where nobody can trace what the previous grade was. Of course, in this case, I would agree with you in that the grade is the grade as there is no other information to go on. I'm referring to any book I buy. If I know about it's history great but if I don't I don't sweat it. I don't think it's relevant what previous grade the AF #15 was. It was obviously grossly undergraded as a 5.5. The Boy Comics is a different ball of wax but again, that's also a relatively isolated incident. Probably in the 1 percentile and not the norm. Would I like to know if a book was disassembled? Sure, but again it's relatively obscure and pretty much irrelevant in this discussion.

I have signatures turned off so Sig line turned off I've had sigs off for a decade. Just too much going on in sig lines to make this place peaceful for me.

Just finished it. Found it predictable and full of holes with lots of shallow plot devices to keep the story moving along. It felt like a mid- Saturday afternoon, 1970's B horror flick. Personally, if you have nothing better to watch it's a comic book show on par with other shows but it's nothing terrific and I wouldn't recommend watching it if you have something better to do. Daredevil was far superior in quality to this.

What a book was to me is irrelevant because it could have been a higher grade or a lower grade. It's only what it is now that matters to me. And I buy (and sell) accordingly. Makes sense. Makes absolutely NO SENSE to me at all. Sounds as though you guys are saying that we should buy the current label, even if we know the book was graded significantly lower in previous occasions. Doesn't matter what was done to the book as the only thing that is relevant is its current grade. So I guess Roy would have been willing to pay full market price for the Church 9.0 copy of Boy Comics #17, even though it was originally graded as a CGC 4.0 copy and then regraded as a CGC 7.5 copy before finally hitting a CGC 9.0 home run on its third try, all while residing in a blue slab. It makes perfect sense. You have no idea whether a book has been in a higher or a lower grade holder (although you are conveniently assuming it was in a lower grade holder of the sake of this discussion) or if it was ever in a holder at all. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

I'd take that sale with a grain of salt. Doug factors 'trade value' into the sales price, and trade value can be a grey area.

I wouldn't mention that on the AF15 thread... An AF15 9.2 recently sold a few months ago for 392K...so I would say both books are trending up...up and away. Is there a link to that sale or was it a private sale? If that is the case then AF15 is still king even in high grades. Here's the link on CGC news https://www.cgccomics.com/news/viewarticle.aspx?IDArticle=5322& Hulk 1 is more rare than AF15 in 9.0+; hence, the strong price for H1 in this grade. Personally, I think the lone 9.4 Hulk #1 would give people whiplash if it came to market. I could see it pushing $1MIL book at this point.

The price is not only relative to supply / demand but also relative to what other keys sell for. If 9.4 copies continue to rise (and they are at this point) that puts pressure on what a 9.6 sells for.