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Then I shall give you pretty flowers. I just thought maybe I had missed something.

Oh, and some people don't have a problem with pain. They enjoy it. I ain't one of them.

They're producing it because people are buying it, so it's more an indictment of the consumer. I said this many years ago on here but I think some people buy these books and ogle cosplayers at cons because it's an 'innocent' and under the radar way of getting their soft porn fix. Ok, if we are going to psychoanalyze that somehow buying a J. Scott Campbell cover means you are trying to get your soft porn fix, then please analyze the mental issues of all the 30-50 year old men on here read comic books with men in tights trying to save the world. I didn't say fantasy of any sort was bad and I wasn't passing judgement. It all depends on how much of it someone needs. If you're going to teach people to walk off building ledges then I'd say you're over doing it. Regardless, I stand by my comment. Part of the appeal of Sojourn was the hot chicks and how Greg Land drew them, and I can say that my ex hated that book for the very same reason. Remember, I'm a comic book nerd who happens to love stories about men in tights and I find women attractive. I'm not judging anyone. I'm not sure liking women in the issue. It would be fine if you found men attractive...I wouldn't be comfortable if you wanted to pour hot wax on them though. Raise your hand if anyone here has ever been to a salon (or some other place)where they used hot wax? and that stuff is not in liquid form, it's really just warm. I don't disagree with you at all but the conversation has gone onto a tangent. We're no longer talking about the original point. My point was that most people like a little fantasy but comics have become another delivery method for porn and that is because the consumer determines what will sell and what won't sell. No, my point was always about sexual pain, I don't care about the porn aspect. I ignore what I might consider to be "soft porn" posted here all the time, doesn't bother me if there are people who enjoy those pictures. I just ignore them. I consider pain a danger, that's my issue. You are welcome to have your own issues;) You have your own point of view, but it was not what I was talking about. Again, I agree with you. Why you keep replying to me though, I don't know because my initial reply was to Comicopolis and was in no way related to your point about pain. My initial point was directed towards the stat of the industry and what is selling. I thought I was pretty clear about it. Maybe I'm lost in the twilight zone and missing something?

They're producing it because people are buying it, so it's more an indictment of the consumer. I said this many years ago on here but I think some people buy these books and ogle cosplayers at cons because it's an 'innocent' and under the radar way of getting their soft porn fix. Ok, if we are going to psychoanalyze that somehow buying a J. Scott Campbell cover means you are trying to get your soft porn fix, then please analyze the mental issues of all the 30-50 year old men on here read comic books with men in tights trying to save the world. I didn't say fantasy of any sort was bad and I wasn't passing judgement. It all depends on how much of it someone needs. If you're going to teach people to walk off building ledges then I'd say you're over doing it. Regardless, I stand by my comment. Part of the appeal of Sojourn was the hot chicks and how Greg Land drew them, and I can say that my ex hated that book for the very same reason. Remember, I'm a comic book nerd who happens to love stories about men in tights and I find women attractive. I'm not judging anyone. I'm not sure liking women in the issue. It would be fine if you found men attractive...I wouldn't be comfortable if you wanted to pour hot wax on them though. Raise your hand if anyone here has ever been to a salon (or some other place)where they used hot wax? and that stuff is not in liquid form, it's really just warm. I don't disagree with you at all but the conversation has gone onto a tangent. We're no longer talking about the original point. My point was that most people like a little fantasy but comics have become another delivery method for porn and that is because the consumer determines what will sell and what won't sell.

oxymoron - unless you find all women attractive. You can make it one if you want to but then you're taking what I said out of it's original context. I don't think anybody can find all people and all things attractive but if you want to discuss it, I think I do find something attractive in most people and most things. It's the hippie in me. But in the context of the discussion you said you didn't judge anyone after making a comment on attractiveness, which as an evaluator is inherently judgmental...thus oxymoronic. I guess I should have said that I wasn't judging anyone based on why they were buying specific covers. Hair dicer!

oxymoron - unless you find all women attractive. You can make it one if you want to but then you're taking what I said out of it's original context. I don't think anybody can find all people and all things attractive but if you want to discuss it, I think I do find something attractive in most people and most things. It's the hippie in me.

They're producing it because people are buying it, so it's more an indictment of the consumer. I said this many years ago on here but I think some people buy these books and ogle cosplayers at cons because it's an 'innocent' and under the radar way of getting their soft porn fix. Ok, if we are going to psychoanalyze that somehow buying a J. Scott Campbell cover means you are trying to get your soft porn fix, then please analyze the mental issues of all the 30-50 year old men on here read comic books with men in tights trying to save the world. I didn't say fantasy of any sort was bad and I wasn't passing judgement. It all depends on how much of it someone needs. If you're going to teach people to walk off building ledges then I'd say you're over doing it. Regardless, I stand by my comment. Part of the appeal of Sojourn was the hot chicks and how Greg Land drew them, and I can say that my ex hated that book for the very same reason. Remember, I'm a comic book nerd who happens to love stories about men in tights and I find women attractive. I'm not judging anyone.

They're producing it because people are buying it, so it's more an indictment of the consumer. I said this many years ago on here but I think some people buy these books and ogle cosplayers at cons because it's an 'innocent' and under the radar way of getting their soft porn fix.

The moderators are inconsistent and generally poor on communication and have been for about a year now. Shame.

I asked resident boardie Chip to put up some no reserve auctions for me to see how it goes. If any of you want to bid, there are some nice classic covers, a Baker and some pre code all at no reserve. Bid, bid, bid! There are also some Bronze and Silver books but I only linked to the GA ones for you guys.

Last call for a bunch of books.

It was actually a joke by our class clown. And a funny one.

I think you should start a new thread about it to discuss it.

Yup, reds go first. Then yellows.

^^^ This. Took us boardees about 30 posts to come up with the logical solution. It's logical, dear boy.

Really? Infamous? How so? Sounds like a good story. Scam artists.

a copy!

What does the back cover look like? If the back cover looks the same as the front, it's a printing error because you'd be using the same printing plates across both front and rear covers. If the back cover is bright and the front is dull then it's faded.

Paid on time on a reasonably big ticket item. Thanks Andrew!

Those with a long enough memory will remember that we've been here before, when scarce Baker romance issues first hit ebay, and a hard core bid up low grade copies to astronomical values. Then things gradually tapered off. CGC/high end copies have brought that intensity back. And as you say, it quickly fizles out when a small but significant number of copies of any given issue are acquired by a tiny romance community of sissy boys. Very good point. Baker prices seemed to hit a peak in 2002 and then a real lowpoint in the 2006-2007 period. And then since 2012, it seems like a new high is achieved almost on a weekly basis. I actually believe that there are much more Baker collectors than are active on this thread. And as we all know, when prices go up, many more collectors/investors are drawn to the excitement. So prices in my opinion can go in almost any direction. As we know, it only takes two to set a new record high. And I suspect there are at least three going after most of the high grade Baker books. I'd say, 2003 was really where this trend towards fantastic prices began. An amazing OO GA collection was discovered by Neat Stuff Collectibles, and auctioned on eBay. There were Bakers that many of us were seeing for the very first time. Many of the late period issues of Cinderella Love, Diary Secrets, Going Steady, and Teen-Age Romances were there, and in solid grades. Fierce competition over those books resulted in then-unimaginable prices. After that, the occasional Bakers continued to trickle in, but prices remained just as strong for the quality items, because the same three or four determined collectors were still competing. (I don't mind owning up to being one of those collectors. Would anybody else care to stand up and identify themselves, Rick Starr and Flex Mentallo?) Yes, all this is partly our fault. I'm sure you guys remember 2005 and 2006... there was no particular shortage of new-to-market Bakers... but they were largely monopolized by a character named Joe Serpico... (at least, that was one of the very similar names he used. We suspected it was probably two or more brothers, working in unison.) I, for one, had a terrible time landing anything, during that period. Joe seemed to want every single Baker that came around, and appeared to have unlimited disposable income to put towards them. All we could do was watch and wait for him to cross off his entire want list. There was actually another fairly large collection of Bakers that was sold on eBay during '05 and '06... but the identity of the seller eludes me at the moment. (Michael, do you remember who that was?) Prices continued to be strong, though. 2006 and 2007, the Crippen Bakers were auctioned through Heritage, and those sold consistently well, but for some reason didn't set any records. In 2009 and 2010, another large batch of graded books sold through Comicconnect, over approximately three different auctions, and many of those set new record prices. I'm really just reminiscing, here, but the overview of past events might be interesting to newer collectors. Quite a history lesson and memory! I think the Ebay auction in 05 and 06 of a mass of Baker books was an Ebay seller Adamstrangearcheologist (spelling?). He sold off an incredible collection. There was a lot of intensity and frustrations with acquiring Bakers back then. Many covers I had never seen before and I have been going to major conventions since the late 1970's. I had forgotten about ole' Joe S. I know Shaun Clancy must have an incredible Baker collection most likely with multiple copies of issues. I remember getting into Bakers roughly circa 2006-2007 and thinking 'my god, why are these books so cheap'. Glad I have most of the books I want. Most but not all.

Yeh that's our Michael. And Alanah. And Flex Mentallo.

Got a nice collection of pre code and pre hero books in the Marketplace in case anyone is interested.

Marvel will probably never put the Galactus on-screen we know from the comics. Kirby's original concept of the character was that he was a big space monster a la Fin Fang Foom, but Lee thought that would be hard for people to identify with, so he asked Kirby to make him a giant humanoid. A giant humanoid would look rather dumb on the big screen though and that's why we never saw Galactus in that second film. Odds are we'll never see him. What would be interesting is if he were a shape changer and changed into humanoid when interacting with humans, etc. the way other alien or supernatural life forms have. That could easily tie into the storyline both cloud and humanoid.

Gorgeous 3.0 though so that must have had something to do with the price.

Yup, and I still generally do unless it's something extremely difficult to replace or something really special. I find a lot of the 'hype' and max dollar listings in the selling forum to be kind of sad.