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All inserts in a particular comic should be the same. I've never seen a mix in a particular comic. No squarebounds have an insert. And never seen a mag with an insert. Jim

You can be a bit of a hard *spoon* sometimes. Did you ever find that quote or are you still calling RMA wrong based on just memory? Because I just looked at some old pictures of myself, and what I saw was not what I remembered. The memory is not very reliable even in legal testimony. This place is what you make of it. It's just bigger. There's plenty of serious comic people discussing comics. Nope. It's smaller. And not a place to talk comics unless I wanted to sell. Most of the threads here are asking about selling their comics. Not a lot about about the comics themselves. Sad. Jim

It was. Remember, that SOO only covers up to issue #96, and includes newsstand returns. New Mutants was not an ultra hot seller, and the first Liefeld book to crack 500,000 copies printed was #100. And, of course, those are averages. On average, the book's sales continued to steadily decline...about 13% that year....until you get to X-Tinction Agenda, but that would not have contained #97 (which had a higher print run than #98), or the rest of the run. And where do you get that metric? You are unbelievable. Still living the dream... Jim This is a great example of someone who gets some sort of false impression stuck in their head, and carries it around with them for years, which shades their entire perspective about a person. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is. I don't have any idea what I did to Jim here, or why he's so angry at me, but it was obviously something, something he's carried around for a long time, and which has caused him to make claims about something that may or may not (another concession to you, Jim) have been said at one time or another, but which he cannot provide any evidence of (yes, yes, sentence ended a preposition with.) Nope. I don't carry grudges. You were wrong and called you out on it. Not a crime. Your challenge of that cause a pause though. If that's important to you then so be it. I read a couple posts here and laughed at where it evolved to. This Forum used to be serious comic collectors talking serous issues. Now after perusing the various threads, it's more a joke. Your previous erroneous posts on the availability of issues ha made thin almost a joke. Jim

What was the numbers for X-Men? Jim

It was. Remember, that SOO only covers up to issue #96, and includes newsstand returns. New Mutants was not an ultra hot seller, and the first Liefeld book to crack 500,000 copies printed was #100. And, of course, those are averages. On average, the book's sales continued to steadily decline...about 13% that year....until you get to X-Tinction Agenda, but that would not have contained #97 (which had a higher print run than #98), or the rest of the run. And where do you get that metric? You are unbelievable. Still living the dream... Jim

Nope #98. You defended, hotly, where it was a bottom dweller that wasn't "out there". Ridiculous. Your case was wildly_fanciful_statement at the time and still. Did you have a case of the comics at the time? Because others did. I can tell many stories of the Mannheim shows where there stacks of comics. Arch. Where are you? Release that discussion. If not for a historical perspective. Jim

No. NM98 was a hot comic at the time. All X-comics were. He claimed that they weren't until #100. That's untrue. 98 sold really well and is demonstrated by the number of HG copies graded and sold. This comic is relatively common and not an overlooked comic. Did people then know Deadpool would be what he is today? No. But the comic sold really well at the time and the remanents are now being shown. He denied that years ago. Jim Not correct, and, as always, context is everything. #98 was a "hot comic" like all New Mutants at the time were hot comics. You won't find a quote of me saying "New Mutants #98 wasn't a hot comic", or something along those lines (and, of course, what does "hot" actually mean? It's useless when discussing sales and the like.) In this thread, you'll find fairly exhaustive analyses of this book, by myself and others, giving it context of where it was at the time, relative to everything happening around it. Are you aware, for example, that the Capital City order numbers for X-Men #273, the book that came out the same month as NM #98, are nearly DOUBLE NM #98's numbers? And that Spiderman #7, also the same month, are nearly quadruple? And that was before the madness really kicked into high gear. You'll have to find the exact quote of mine you're referring to. I suspect you won't find it, because I've never said anything like that, much less denied that it sold really well. Sorry. Maybe you're thinking of someone else...? No. You implied it was a comic that didn't find much distribution. If I remember right it was barely a 100K. You implied no one was watching the title and as a result was rarer. That is definitely not true. Comic dealers were buying boatloads of X-Marvel comics since Wolverine #1 came out. Wish Arch could resurrect the thread to show the hypo racy. Jim Ok. Would you mind finding that post? I'm not sure why you're calling me a hypocrite. I suspect you have either A. the person confused, or B. the subject confused. But, please, if you could find that post, let's examine what I said, in context. That's a reasonable request, is it not...? CGC has purged the archives. Can't pull it up but you and I know it's true. And those who have been here awhile. Don't try the cop "if you can't find the post" it's untrue. You were very adamant about it at the time and should own up to it. Unless you have Alzheimer's it's not difficult to remember. Jim

So now you admit you were wrong? Jim

No. NM98 was a hot comic at the time. All X-comics were. He claimed that they weren't until #100. That's untrue. 98 sold really well and is demonstrated by the number of HG copies graded and sold. This comic is relatively common and not an overlooked comic. Did people then know Deadpool would be what he is today? No. But the comic sold really well at the time and the remanents are now being shown. He denied that years ago. Jim Not correct, and, as always, context is everything. #98 was a "hot comic" like all New Mutants at the time were hot comics. You won't find a quote of me saying "New Mutants #98 wasn't a hot comic", or something along those lines (and, of course, what does "hot" actually mean? It's useless when discussing sales and the like.) In this thread, you'll find fairly exhaustive analyses of this book, by myself and others, giving it context of where it was at the time, relative to everything happening around it. Are you aware, for example, that the Capital City order numbers for X-Men #273, the book that came out the same month as NM #98, are nearly DOUBLE NM #98's numbers? And that Spiderman #7, also the same month, are nearly quadruple? And that was before the madness really kicked into high gear. You'll have to find the exact quote of mine you're referring to. I suspect you won't find it, because I've never said anything like that, much less denied that it sold really well. Sorry. Maybe you're thinking of someone else...? No. You implied it was a comic that didn't find much distribution. If I remember right it was barely a 100K. You implied no one was watching the title and as a result was rarer. That is definitely not true. Comic dealers were buying boatloads of X-Marvel comics since Wolverine #1 came out. Wish Arch could resurrect the thread to show the hypo racy. Jim

I check this Forum out once in awhile. Just don't post much due to time. Jim

No. NM98 was a hot comic at the time. All X-comics were. He claimed that they weren't until #100. That's untrue. 98 sold really well and is demonstrated by the number of HG copies graded and sold. This comic is relatively common and not an overlooked comic. Did people then know Deadpool would be what he is today? No. But the comic sold really well at the time and the remanents are now being shown. He denied that years ago. Jim

Weren't you the guy a couple years ago defending that this comic wasn't common? Just like I said at the time, EBay and CGC has proven that there are HG issues galore out there. Funny to see you now accepting that fact based on your attitude back then. Jim

We'd have to determine the total amount of a print run that was distributed through Stars & Stripes and AAFES stores, so that number never seemed entirely out of line. That would only be 10,000 copies of a 200,000 print run for example. That less than 5% of your books have inserts might be more a result of your geography than anything else. If you lived near Fort Hood, Fort Bragg, or a large base in Germany I'd suspect you'd see a percentage greater than 5% of books that had inserts. That's a reasonable guess, but my books have come from every area of the country. Granted, those are anecdotal numbers, but....when you consider that roughly 1.5% of the total US population served in the military during the Vietnam era (and drastically fell off with the end of the draft in 1973), it seems odd that they would print 4-10 times that amount, as a percentage of total copies printed, for distribution to military bases. (Source: http://www.prb.org/source/acf1396.pdf Page 5, figure 1) As well....during this time period, 200,000 was a very low amount of copies printed. Hulk, for example, had a print run of about 375,000 copies, with around 200,000 sold on average, during 1974. 5% of the total print run doesn't seem reasonable, against a group that only represented .5-1.5% of the total US population. That would make around 20,000 copies of Hulk #187, for example. For total numbers of potential customers at an exchange store you would also need to include eligible family members and retirees, and DoD employed civilians. Sorry for coming in late to the conversation. While it is probably fun to speculate I don't think anyone could put a number on the percentage of comics with the MJ insert. You could probably boost the number a tad since some German dealers/collectors were sold comics after they were taken off the racks of Stars and Stripes stores. Hence why I have like a dozen copies of X-Men 242 still in my collection that I bought from a German dealer in 2003. Also, no direct market comics have the insert unless it's was an error in distributing. Jim I just wanted to thank you for all of your diligent and thorough research into the NDS/MJ inserts. Your site has been referenced numerous times as an authority and has raised the general collecting community's awareness about these cool and rare "variants". Kudos and thanks again! (thumbs u -J. Thank you. Spent a lot of money to figure it out. Stronguy is another very knowledgeable collector of these. He and Shadrock changed my mind on whether the inserts were distributed in the US. Jim

We'd have to determine the total amount of a print run that was distributed through Stars & Stripes and AAFES stores, so that number never seemed entirely out of line. That would only be 10,000 copies of a 200,000 print run for example. That less than 5% of your books have inserts might be more a result of your geography than anything else. If you lived near Fort Hood, Fort Bragg, or a large base in Germany I'd suspect you'd see a percentage greater than 5% of books that had inserts. That's a reasonable guess, but my books have come from every area of the country. Granted, those are anecdotal numbers, but....when you consider that roughly 1.5% of the total US population served in the military during the Vietnam era (and drastically fell off with the end of the draft in 1973), it seems odd that they would print 4-10 times that amount, as a percentage of total copies printed, for distribution to military bases. (Source: http://www.prb.org/source/acf1396.pdf Page 5, figure 1) As well....during this time period, 200,000 was a very low amount of copies printed. Hulk, for example, had a print run of about 375,000 copies, with around 200,000 sold on average, during 1974. 5% of the total print run doesn't seem reasonable, against a group that only represented .5-1.5% of the total US population. That would make around 20,000 copies of Hulk #187, for example. For total numbers of potential customers at an exchange store you would also need to include eligible family members and retirees, and DoD employed civilians. Sorry for coming in late to the conversation. While it is probably fun to speculate I don't think anyone could put a number on the percentage of comics with the MJ insert. You could probably boost the number a tad since some German dealers/collectors were sold comics after they were taken off the racks of Stars and Stripes stores. Hence why I have like a dozen copies of X-Men 242 still in my collection that I bought from a German dealer in 2003. Also, no direct market comics have the insert unless it's was an error in distributing. Jim

Call me crazy but I'm starting to believe the rumors of Coulson from the TV show SHIELD may eventually evolve into the Vision based on the last couple episodes. Wouldn't surprise me if he has a cameo in the GotG movie and one of the soul gems nails him straight in the forehead and he discovers powers he didn't previously realize. The actor has shown an already robotic performance. Could be wooden acting though.... If so, Avengers 57 and 134-135 will be highly sought after. Jim

Yea I noticed that it said something about servicemen. Were they just put in issues for military subscribers then? My understanding is these were shipped directly to overseas military bases. Correct. They were never available within the US. I collect spidey ND & MJ inserts and I've heard 1st hand accounts of these issues being available at PX's within the US. I tend to believe this as they are way too common to only have been available overseas and then somehow make it back to states. Has anyone physically seen an Amazing Spider-Man #96 with a ND insert? I have heard that was the first possible issue of spidey but I have never seen one. I have found 2 copies of 97. As far as I'm aware, it was only overseas and here's Jim's site with all the details... http://www.awe4one.com/NDS-MJ%20Inserts/Insert%20webpage.html Right, I'm aware of this theory. I wish I paid more attention throughout the years of collections I've purchased. We have 2 big Air Force bases close to Atlanta and I find ND & MJ inserts all over the place (still today) I swear I've had people tell me these were available at local PX not just overseas. There just seems to be too many of them to be exclusive to overseas. More likely that the books were bought overseas but made their way back to specific areas with redeployment. (thumbs u I disagree. Space is a premium and most servicemen probably didn't care enough to ship home. Even when I was in the service guys very rarely shipped anything home. mycomicshop.com (Lonestar) seems to think they were distributed in US as its listed in all of their MJ descriptions. Its an interesting topic and I still believe these books will have a day in the sun. Although most collectors are probably still unaware they even exist. I can only go with Jim's (the owner of the site I linked) opinion on this and he himself was an airman and contends that it was only overseas distribution. And I agree - these books are a cut above the usual prints. (thumbs u I've soften my belief that these inserts were overseas only. Too many people say otheriwse. But...I know they weren't available in my stateside assignments in the late 80s. But were when I went overseas. And the ads were targeted to overseas personnel. They may have been available stateside but I don't think it was common. Maybe a distribution pipeline that allowed some to be sold in the states. Jim

And to refresh people's memories, here is the trimmed JIM 92... Jim

I bought this from Nik. He is missed...

Man...those are nice copies...

Your data is a little off. Here's the timeline for Marvels: April 1971 - October 1972 - National Diamond Sales November - December 1972 - Mark Jewelers Inserts January - April 1973 - National Diamond Sales May - June 1973 - Haven't seen a copy w/inserts July 1973 - MJ Inserts with the Mennen Wrap August - September 1973 - MJ Inserts October 1973 - MJ Insert with the Alka Seltzer Wrap November 1973 - Febuary 1985 - MJ Insert March 1985 - MJ Insert with the Bose Wrap April 1985 - July 1991 - MJ Insert The earliest DCs with MJ inserts I've also seen is Aug 1972 and ended in 1986. The NDS/MJ inserts also ran in Archies and Gold Keys from late-1971 to 1973. I've never found a Charlton with the inserts... Jim

Andy bought a couple of comics from me. Perfect transaction...can't ask for better. Thanks again Andy!

Sold a number of comics to Mark in a flawless transaction. Thanks again Mark!

Jim

Some more surprises I've found while separating the collection.... Jim

No. That's a hell of a non-chalant attitude to someone who has proven to pass trimmed books through the CGC process... Jim