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Came across that myself, when searching for a baseline price for the AP material. Crazy, no? Good luck, getting that much. Most of the later stuff (30 issues) was produced in runs of 1,000, mailed out and lovingly stored away. These shouldn't be that rare or expensive - $20 to $40 a pop in excellent condition. I rarely see the Kennedy listed material come up for sale. The few examples that I have seen up for sale, seem to fetch about $100-$150 per, in less than fine condition.

Victor, But wouldn`t the need to include items like Mr. Peanut, or other small press items by outsiders/DaDaists/primitives, follow the Kennedy tradition? I do not have access to some material, because it is either too pricey, rare or I had a focus on some others areas. So I have not reviewed a lot of the following material: Hairy Who, Comic Noir, Art Police, Animal Mitchell. These were listed by Kennedy and none of the artists are really underground. As far as I know, only some of the Art Police material contains some nudity and it really follows the "fine art" vein. All these materials were produced by artists, who used the "comic", either as a vehicle to display their work or to promote it. The Poetry Comics series could have been listed by Kennedy as underground, without any argument from me. David Morice merely followed/mimicked the UG comic format to promote classic poetry in an illustrated format. For whatever reason, Kennedy latched onto Snore #1 and listed it as underground. It doesn't contain any true underground material or is it really a true comic, Its the experimental output of some artists, who wanted to get their work out there. If we had a magic wand and were able to contact someone from Coach House who was there at the time, and we found out that Mr. Peanut, Shoe and the other 2 "comics" were planned to be part of Snore series. Then those others should be included as such. Coach House did produce other graphic publications that are much more aligned with what an underground comic should be. But those comics were not included as part of the Snore series by the publisher. The ultimate decision should rest until the intent of CH has been established.

OMG. Could it be? About 2 pages of thread devoted to obscure UGCanadiana. Question to Brian and/or Victor: What would be the qualification to label something as part of the "Snore" series? Does the use of "Snore" have to appear within the item? If the answer to you is yes, then there probably only 3 "Snore Comix" in the series. I always took it to mean to be a comic or a comic-like publication from Coach House - with development from a Snore 1 or 2 contributor. None of the pubs were intended to be a conventional comic, but more to do with a statement from 2 collectives of surrealist artists. I have tried contacting CHP for a fuller explanation of Concordia's IDing an eight book series - no response. On Mr. Peanut, here is what Trasov said: "The peanut flip book was intended as part of Snore Comix series. There was never a cover nor any text, just the stapled images of mr. Peanut tap dancing. So it was probably never published as part of Snore Comix" I have tried to contact Jim Lang, but he is back in the US. A good poet friend of his (living in the same city) was trying to contact him on my behalf - no answer as of yet. As you both probably know, Gilbert, Scia/Zontal and Nichols have all moved on.

Hello, I only buy and never have sold anything on eBay. A seller friend just got a 30 day suspension for showing an unclad Leather Nuns cover. After years of selling UG, he will get a Termination after the next violation! I have had seen this topic discussed before. What's the solution? Is it merely to cover up any nudity art or profanity with paper pasties? Is that 100% foolproof? He has used the adults only category, but it has limited traffic and does not allow views from international buyers. Funny how eBay allows items with graphic violence to be openly shown, but heaven forbid that someone sees a drawn breast and gets offended!

When I had made my comment about the prices fetched for the Sack Hairy Who's, it wasn't to infer that the prices referenced in FUGG were too low. I was more surprised that someone was willing to pay that amount for 3 examples in lessor condition. Come on! One with a near total spine split! I personally think that you lower the list price in your guide for the Hairy Who comics, so guys like me who do not own a copy are given a chance to do so.

Sort of leaving the topic of true undergrounds, but here have been a number of mini-comix by Raw Books for sale recently: 1) French Postcard (1979) 2) Chinese Landscape (1979) 3) Cow Looking at a Passing train (1978) I never heard of them before. Seems to be "fine art" subject matter. Does anyone have more info? How many were produced? Or know the names of similar mini comix from Raw or if it was a series - besides the Raw magazine inserts.

That seller has been trying to unload their copy for between $5000 to $75,000 for a few years. It is a rare book but not that rare! As for the sellers claim that they "possibly" have the only copy in that condition, anything is possible, but I personally own a copy. Divide his asking prices by 100-250 to get a more realistic value. Probably a personal joke of his.

BTW, the listing for Faerie Star #1 on eBay from the publisher is available again, and the copies of the book are very affordable, for anyone who might not have one: Faerie Star #1- eBay I had posted (maybe earlier in the year or last year) that Brad Foster had told me that Faerie Star #2 had never been published. He had been looking forward to getting his first full sized material published by an outside company but for whatever reason it never happened. He never even has seen a single copy, even as an artists' proof. If copies do exist, they would be extremely rare.

I am amazed that the lower grade copy Foo #2 went for that much. I would have guessed it would have fetched about $500, maybe $750. Again the prices for Hairy Who seem to be out of step with the FUGG. Three lower grade copies bringing in 30% more than the list price of 3 pristine copies. One of the three had a near total spine split. Maybe it was the Sack factor.

Thanks with helping attach a face to that superb collection. I would have thought that he would have been a lot older and frailer! How could part with those items with what (appears to be) still so many years left on the clock? I am going avoid the heartbreak of an auction and have decided to be buried with my fourth rate UG collection instead.

Felix, you may not be aware that cover thickness is no longer considered to be the most important factor in determining "first printing" with Zap 2. Unless something has changed again, instead confirm a first print via the "head miscut" tell as described by comixjoint: http://comixjoint.com/zapcomix2-1st.html A micrometer/caliper would be useful when distinguishing a "second printing" from other later runs.

Second print Just teasing,. Still looking for mine.

The tally so far 1) Grunt 1 and 2 2) Scratchatune Comics 3) Weard Comics 4) Adventures of Kaptain Kopter & Commander Cassidy in Potato Land 5) Hollywood Fats 6) Pink Floyd 7) Rolling Stones Concert Comix (2 editions) 8) Tales from Dr. Feelgood 9) Rock Horror Added by members after initial posting 1) Kanned Korn 2) Saga of Yukon Pete 3) Barbarian Women 3 – may not count; contents of flexi have to be determined 4) Douglas Comix 5) Song of an Aeropteryx 6) Hot Tub Tapeworm" and "Buy Til You Die" by Jane J. Oliver 7) Amra Amra meets the Lurker 8) Gas Comics 1 and 2 9) Breezy Stories 10) Flash Fearless versus The Zorg Women parts 5 & 6 11) Goose Lake Gags 12) Miami Pop Festival Official Program & Map. 13) Snuk Comix 14) Captive Chains 15) Shiva's Headband 16) Planet Gong

Really impressive collection, anyone know who Sack is? Wasn't there someone on the old forums called "Lines on Paper"? And the number of Sack Collection offerings at Heritage keep growing. I never even knew what the cover of Snuk even looked like until today. It's sad to see items that are too expensive for me to own, come up for sale. Also listed (but was never aware of) are the first 2 issues of the fanzine Meatballs with some Crumb artwork in each. Are these worth collecting? Any current owners care to comment?

The only reason why it shouldn't make the list is its later creation date of 2005. It really should either be in or contemporary to Kennedy. That's hilarious: http://archiecomics.com/archie-sdcc-archie-meets-ramones-in-rockin-new-crossover-comic/ Which "Ramone" is still alive and selling out? Must be a third cousin heir. Wait for the Prince merch to start showing up.

Another rock music based UG promotional is Flash Fearless versus The Zorg Women parts 5 & 6. Put out by Chrysalis Records in 1975, as a comic super hero come to life, musical concept album that featured many artists including: Alice Cooper and John Entwhistle. A comic giveaway was featured as part of the package. Two Canadians living in England at the time were responsible for its writing and illustration. Have a look, while you can, I would say it would classify as a true UG: http://www.ebay.com/itm/FLASH-FEARLESS-VERSUS-THE-ZORG-WOMEN-PARTS-5-6-UK-1975-LP-COMIC-WHO-COOPER-/401187570165?hash=item5d68a481f5:g:oJQAAOSw7XZXhnNB

No, it was not mentioned. I was aware of the disc and actually have it. Again, wasn't played by me due to a lack of a record player, so I cannot determine its content. If IRC, the disc's recording is not musical in nature, but has samplings of various Reagan speeches. Unless, it contains a version of Rappin' Ronnie it wouldn't count as an UG with an association with the recording industry/rock group. Until someone plays these things we will never know. Guy, you're one of the more veteran members of this discussion group. You should take full advantage of your senior status and assign some important homework to some our newer members. Let's say anyone with less than 50 posts.

On the main UG thread, recently someone was surprised by Roger May's passing. Perhaps, some members also unaware that Rand Holmes died about 15 years ago in 2002. I love his stuff. It is a little like Wally Wood with a good dash of Crumb thrown in. Thanks Felix for posting his artwork.

If anyone needs one, I have an Excel listing of all items listed by Kennedy and some missing UG essentials and a few UK items. Over 4200 items, first by Kennedy number and then by alphabetical order. Drop me a PM, if you're interested.

Great analogy. Why should one care? Other than academic reasons, if the first run of a rare mini cannot be distinguished from more common later printings, then it should impact its worth. Why waste time looking for or pay $25 for a "first print" of Insipid Six #1, when you can purchase a later printing directly from the artist for 75 cents.

ROGER MAY (RIP, boy did he dislike Fogel regarding some past deal he didn't get paid on) would just print some more of all of his minis when he needed them. No record of which printing is which. I would suspect anything by him might be a later copy and not original without proof and I doubt there is any. I have come across a few of May's reprinted variants that had confused me for awhile (easily done). I posted before that the pink paper variant of Horrible Misunderstandings 1 is probably a fourth printing done by May. That's according to Romero. And I was thinking it was a variant of the first printing. I also have seen a few takes of "Blown Away". I think I have an original but how to prove it? Update: how to tell Foster's later printings from the first? In a few instances, the imprint changed from Comix World then to Jabberwocky. I should have thought about it!

Has anyone been inadvertently burnt with purchasing an assumed "first printing only" as listed by Kennedy? Then only to find out later that the artist, had several print runs, well past the publication date of Kennedy? I have to be more careful when buying cheaply priced minis and check/ask before buying. I was a little surprised to see on Tom Foster's Jabberwocky site how many of his Kennedy listed items were printed at a much later date: most Fever Pitches (that I knew), American Apathist, Foster History, Transfer Artist, the Chuck Chickens. He even released a 90's reprint of Interstellar Yuks! Here is a listing of pubs. by Jabberwocky, including # of printings and run size. Careful: it does not include printings done by other publishers, such as Comix World: http://www.jabberwockygraphix.com/jabpublist.html Now I am going to have to check the publication dates of these to ensure what I actually bought were first printings and not a reissue. Most artists either ran it once or reprinted early enough to be captured by Kennedy - Romero, Taylor, Geary, John Adams and Goebart. But it can be tricky if you just rely on Kennedy: is everyone aware that there was a second printing of Disco Mouse? Are there any other artists that I should be concerned with? I think Roger May was into reissuing well past the publication date of the first printing and was often missed by Kennedy. Roden had some obvious reprints in the 2000s. Any others to be careful with?

I already replied to your observation earlier, but seeing a VGish copy of Running Dog come up on eBay auction yesterday, immediately reminded me of what you had said. I believe it sold for $120, I did not have the money for a competitive bid. I think a real deal for such a rare item. The last one (that I could find) coming up for sale was back in 2014. As a loose comparison, I would say that about at least 4 Shiva's, 2-3 Gas #1 were sold on eBay within the same period.

Nobody's figured out the printings on this one. It was one I used to keep out an eye for new cover pics to try to figure out, but there are many variants. Is Sir Real's site down? He had a variant posted that's different than the couple I've got. I saw those your threads about the origins of MM and FB1 (by coincidence a little higher in Felix's posts), where you were gunning to nail down the first printings of those publications. Care to give a little summary on where you stand on those stand to date? PS hi Felix, keep'em coming.

I've never pulled my copy of the record out of it's sleeve. No idea what's on that record. I picked up a few nice condition copies of this in the past week, though!!! All Stars 2: nice and a little strange at the same time isn't it? There's nothing quite like it. It was one of the first items, I had purchased when I first began collecting. When it arrived, I did not expect its large format or its multi-color, collective format. To me, it's near the top of the list of affordable UG keys, because it represents the gender so well. It's so different from expectation. I remember reading a thread in one the older forums, where a member wanted to confirm with others, if they had purchased the correct item. That person might of thought they had mispurchased the All Stars 1 fanzine, instead of All Stars 2. I can understand why, someone may have had their doubts.