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23 hours ago, DST said:

Finally got my GSX1 in 9.2 from the 4/12 auction to place among my other bronze key faves:

 

Beautiful copy!

Goes well with the sig 

On 1/15/2018 at 6:52 PM, Dogsupreme said:

well let's at #52 compared to #48.

While #48 is important Silver Surfer does not appear on the cover and I think that's important.

#52 is a great cover.

#48 does introduce SS and he had an appearance in the FF 2 movie. No real change in value overall. it is going up but most key silver is doing that.

#52 has jumped astronomically over the past several years. High grade copies are extremely hard to find with the black cover.

Also, Black Panther is Marvel's first black super hero.

So while #48 is high value there is little room for growth. #52 can still be had but the window is closing.

FF 48 has little room for growth you say?

Interesting... 

I wish this thread didn't end 

57 minutes ago, NoMan said:

especially with the internet and Google.com. 

Everyone knows everything. Years and years of hard work and study and personal hands on experience counts for nothing. 

a big fat comfy chair and Google.com is all you need. You are the expert. 

Yet still the people we are talking about never think to use it.

Baffles my mind considering how connected everyone is these days.

On 5/14/2018 at 1:10 PM, NoMan said:

there is a guy at my work who spends all his time on these "give-away" sites on the internet. I forget the names of 'em. "Come pick this s*it up and it's yours free" kinda sites. He's one of the worst offenders. He's been showing off forever this antiques wood work box THAT IS A BROKEN DOWN PIECE OF S*IT that he hauled away for free that is "worth money." The other day he rented a truck to pick up A PALLET OF BASEBALL CARDS that he was told by the guy who's giving it away that "IT'S BEEN PRETTY WELL PICKED OVER" but somehow it's gonna net him a profit. His garage is running out of room, etc.

It's all so embarrassingly goofy nowadays. Like in the early 90s with the Death of Superman when folks were standing outside the comic book store getting one to "pay for their kid's college education." Hell, I remember flipping through the channels and seeing the Death of Superman comic being sold on THE HOME SHOPPER'S CLUB NETWORK and listening the the inane BullS*t of the hosts on the show, "It's gonna be worth as much as Action Comics #1.

Look, I'm not exactly a people person, but HOW oh HOW can everybody be so fu*cking dumb?

I was browsing my local classifieds a few days ago and came across some low grade, raw silver age filler books. probably about 20-30 books judging by the pictures.

Nothing key just cool 60s books some non hero, Marvel, DC etc. Not the best condition. The kind of books that would probably be worth on average 5-15$ each. Of course no price listed. I called and asked him how much he wanted and it was just stupid.

He wanted 10x what any sane person would pay. I told him ill pass and he said these will keep going up and I should get them while I can.

He clearly had no idea what he was selling and probably got them at a yard sale/flea market. 

Another case of people thinking oh its old, must be worth a lot, yet not 1 second of time goes into researching what it sells for 

My question is why did he want to sell them?

Did he need the money?

On 12/24/2017 at 4:54 AM, Wolverine3 said:

Hot books for obvious reasons.

Which of the 3 is likely to gain the most in value over the next 5-10 years?

Obviously 48 is a must have book but i think the real undervalued book of the 3 is the 49.

First Full Galactus is more important going forward than a noted cameo.

First Silver Surfer is hard to top but combine first full Galactus with Silver Surfer second appearance combined with first Silver Surfer/Galactus cover. A true recipe for success in years to come. 

Such a great imposing cover that gives the true impression of the mighty Galactus.

Ultimately does the majority agree that 49 is undervalued? 

Could this book be as valuable if not more valuable than 48 in 5-10 years time and beyond?

 

I have always loved FF 49 cover.

Probably my second fav cover in the entire run.

With one of the coolest titles "If This Be Doomsday!" what a master piece.

I wonder if some where he has an off the press copy of AF 15?

35 minutes ago, Shrevvy said:

I've had a few offers on books I have won. I just received an offer a week or so ago. I was traveling when it came in and didn't respond in time. I may have countered if I was within the time window. The problem for me with the offers is that I am not watching or expecting them. I don't actively have the book(s) for sale. So, when an offer comes I have to check if 1) I still have it, 2) it is in the same condition as purchased (de-slabbed?), 3) do I want to sell it and 4) at what price. Contrast that to a book I have listed on eBay. I know what it is and where it is at. I've also already listed a price. My turn around time on such an unsolicited offer is a lot longer than an eBay listing. I just completed a deal with a boardie for something I did not have for sale. It took several weeks of back and forth before we came to terms as I wasn't prepared to let these particular items go (one of a kind). All my incoming offers have been on harder to find GA books (the latest on some EC romance) and most have been raw. I suppose if I was getting offers on slabbed copper or bronze books that I could replace easily, I would respond faster. Getting an offer on a book I took two or more years to find is very different. If there was more open communication on Heritage, I could respond differently by letting a buyer know that I need more time to think about an offer.

This is why I was so surprised when the offer came it within 1 day.

I amazes me that I was able to get the book in hand as fast as I did.

The owner must have had kept it and got an upgrade, waiting for an offer to pop up.

Lucky me I guess.

hey guys was browsing Heritage Auctions sold listings when i can across this insanity.

Only 5k?! 

I know it was a long time ago but still my god what a steal.

I don't buy sig books but this is crazy.

How many books did stan have saved as file copies?

Just got the book in today!

Its been just over 2 weeks so @DST you were bang on.

11 hours ago, James J Johnson said:

But if slabbed, that splash page Lee signature will now be hidden from view for a while. Like if you were to swallow a 10 carat diamond and it got stuck somewhere in your kiester on the way out!  

 

The problem with cover Sig's is unless you get to designate exactly where he puts it it could permanently ruin a book as we have all seen before. Also as long as I know it's there it's good enough for me. Not sure when the cover signing craze became such a big deal. Back in the day people mostly got first pages signed.

2 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

Didn't say there were 100s of thousands available. I said there was probably no less than 100k still in existence. 

There are certainly 50,000 or more Spidey #129s and Hulk #181s, if not more. 

I just bought a tiny collection of books that happened to have, unbelievably, an FF #48. It was one of about 10 "key" books the guy had, the rest being junk. This particular copy hadn't seen the light of day since the guy bought it as a kid in the early 70s. That particular copy was hidden away for nearly 50 YEARS.

And there are copies like that, hidden all over the place, all over the world.

And yes, the only thing that matters is availability...but there is enough availability to satisfy general demand. That is, if you want a copy, you can go to any national con and take your pick of copies, at any time of the year. The same isn't true, of course, for a book like Tales of Suspense #1, or Action #7, or Rawhide Kid #17, or....well, you get the idea.

I see the same thing with ASM 300.

It's a running joke that every dealer and there mother has at the very least 1 if not 10 copies of that book.

Over the years of hunting in the wild I have come across dozens of copies.

I think it's the most graded book or second to NM 98, but even so the book is selling for nutty prices in the 9.0 plus range as of late.

As an owner of 50 something copies I find that crazy.

This just shows how powerful the current demand for books is today.

Many collectors either do no research or straight up don't care and are willing to it fork up mad money for stuff that's everywhere.

Since books like FF 48 are rarer then ASM 300 I have no doubt that this current generation of collectors will continue to throw money out the window.

I have one, signed on the first page in pen. Clean, sharp and beautiful. Never been a fan of cover marker Sig's but a nice simple clean sig on the first page makes me  

2 hours ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

Oh no. There are certainly more than 10,000 copies of FF #48 in existence. Remember, hoarding on a grand scale started in 1965. That's why there's such a tremendous difference between availability of books like FF #1-10, and books like Iron Man #1-10, despite being separated only by 7 years. People simply stopped throwing away their comics in the mid 60s, and we've never looked back.

FF #48 was, in fact, one of those books that you saw on dealer tables, in stacks, for "$1" in the early 70's at shows like San Diego. 

There are likely 100,000 or more copies of this book extant. It's simply that the demand is greater than the supply. 

 

 

That's great and all but when a book is on fire and there are less then 1200 sales in the past 3 months on eBay and less then 4k graded copies with 41 being 9.8  out there doesn't mean that those 100s of thousands are available.

Many dealers and collectors hoard for long periods of time. Even when movies or show announcements come out. making books appear more rare. Who knows how many Hulk 181s or ASM 129s are out there. The only thing that matters though is what's available and how much demand is in the current market.

Silver Surfer is becoming more and more desirable every day hence these crazy price rises over the past few months.

I bet my collection in the next year as more news and hype builds for the surfer you won't see anything close to 20k books sold, raw/graded what ever of FF 48 and that would only be 20% of the 100k that are supposedly out there.

1 hour ago, Kramerica said:

I'm pretty this book IS common as dirt - relatively speaking. Cases of FF #48's were found along with other books - such as DD 6, FF 54, 59, Thor 142 & 156, Avengers 24, ASM 45, Iron Man 2 Captain Marvel 3, I think Chuck had 10,000 copies of FF 48. More info can be found here:

 

Like the diamond trade most of those will never be offered to the public because dealers don't want that many copies available.

The only thing that matters is how many are floating around for sale and currently its nothing close to 10k.

Just look at amazing spider-man 300 for example.

I know of many collectors including myself that have over 50 copies (its my fav spider-man book) some have 100s of copies.

If you go type amazing spider-man 300 on eBay and select sold listings you will see a total of 1,119. 

Thats 3 months worth of sales, graded, raw etc. 

Compared to the 100s of thousands out there its not even 1%

If there was ever a time to sell that book it would be now.

If I found 10k copies FF 48s I would only sell maybe a few of the highest over a period of time as to not saturate the market, because it would hurt my profits. 

Im sure many would do the same.

This is why hoarding books will always keep the bulk of them out of the hands of the masses. 

1 hour ago, Hamlet said:

I was looking at GPA for some of the books I own and it looks crazy to me.  The last sale for an FF48 in CGC 7.5 is $2000.

That is just nutty.  I think I bought the book about 10 years ago for $350 or so.  

It a cool book, and a major key, but there are probably 10s of thousands of copies out there. It’s not hard to find in grade.  Who is buying all of these books at these levels?

I rarely go thru the effort to actually sell any of the books I buy, but I think I need to get off my butt and cash in on some of these.

 

Yes there are alot of FF 48s out there but in 7.5 I'm not sure if there are 10s of thousands. (you probably mean all copies)

Thar said, eBay shows less the 10 sales in the past 3 months graded CGC 7.5

Currently to date there are 4633 total graded by CGC, only 314 are in 7.5

I'm not saying this book is rare but it is certainly not as common as dirt.

What boogles my mind is how low end raw copies in the 1.0-4.0 are selling for 250-600$ and risings.

I have always felt that this book was under valued but how high is it going to go?

If Mr.Radd becomes a part of the MCU get ready to see some really nutty prices.

13 hours ago, icefires said:

Move to Canada. Then you can wait a year with no worries like everyone else there.

I live in Canada 8 months out of the year and used to order stuff online all the time. Shipping times were so long That I used to forget about certain things I ordered and when they showed up I was amazed. Now I only ship to my US address for speed and cost.

5 hours ago, DST said:

Despite the majority of my offers not receiving a response within the 72 hour window, I still continue to try acquiring books via this method.  My problem is I usually make offers on books where the auction ended years ago, so the winner may not even have the books anymore.  I do this so that the minimum offer (which accounts for the 19.5 percent buyers premium on top of the sold for price) works out to right around or just over current GPA prices.  Nevertheless I’ve been fortunate enough to have 4 offers accepted, and in each case the turnaround time to getting the book in hand has been about 2-3 weeks.

Thanks for the info.

I got an invoice today!!!

Im assuming that the book has arrived and they have checked it to make sure its the correct book.

Only thing I don't like is that I must pay by eCheck and can delay shipping by 7-10 days.

2 hours ago, icefires said:

I have made numerous offers without a response.

I have heard a lot about this and to be honest I was not expecting a response when I sent the offer.

I was amazed that it took less then 24 hrs

3 minutes ago, mysterio said:

If the guy was quivering in anticipation of shipping your item back to Heritage, it would take them 2-3 days to get it. If there is less quivering, maybe it takes him a day or two to even get it in the mail.

No telling how long it would take to process it, they go through a lot of material. If there is a weekend involved, could be several days to a week.

Then they have to repack it to ship it out, that adds more time depending on how backed up they are.

Then the time it takes for shipping to work to you.

Are there deadlines for when the seller has to ship the book out?

The reason I ask is that once you get the acceptance email it says you have 72 hours to make payment.

So just curious if there is a policy set on the seller as well.

49 minutes ago, HENRYSPENCER said:

It's Heritage's version of Comiclink Exchange escrow.  So it could take a month or more to get your item in unless Heritage owns it.  The good news is your money is safe and in the event you never receive the item you can just as easily collect a refund.

 

Why would it take a month to receive the item?

I would assume that Heritage holds the funds that the buyer (me) pays and only pays the seller of the book once the item is verified and accepted.

To my surprise the seller accepted my offer with 24 of me sending it.

Doesn't exactly scream sail speed to me.

Unless what your saying is heritage will take there sweet time processing the transaction and shipping it out to me