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I know, and I can't imagine all these dealers and other people are too informed about comics when they arbitrarily switched the end BA/start CA from 1981 to 1984, as jamming a seminal book like Warrior Magazine in Bronze is totally insane. To me, you can clearly identify the Copper Age with these entries: 1981: Stan Lee moves to California to head Marvel TV/movie properties, leaving Jim Shooter in charge 1981: Jenette Kahn promoted to President of DC Comics, leading the way for Vertigo and GN explosion. Both Marvel and DC shift leadership, pushing comics into totally new directions. Mar 1982: Warrior Magazine #1 /Alan Moore (Marvelman, V for Vendetta) - duh! Mar 1982: Marvel Fanfare #1 - New Format Apr 1982: Marvel introduces Graphic Novel series, including Death of Captain Marvel and X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills New books formats, including creator-owned properties. Also, more adult content and stories. June 1982: Marvel Super-Hero Contest of Champions #1 (first Marvel mini-series, precursor to Secret Wars) The start of the mini-series fad of the 80's, which launched the careers some of comic's biggest stars - Wolverine and Punisher. Sept 1982: Love and Rockets debuts - again, duh! 1982: Harvey Comics, Warren Publishing and Spire Comics cease operations This is a bigger shift than people realize today, as it effectively made Marvel and DC the only major show in town, as well as formally ending the "kid era of comics" with Harvey's demise. 1982: DC cancels remaining Horror titles Marvel had already closed up it Horror and Superhero Reprint lines, and DC finally succumbed in 1982, ending one of the most prominent BA trends. 1982: Start of creator royalties at Marvel and DC This is HUGE and changed comics forever, both good and bad.

Sure, but the End of Bronze/Start of Copper will certainly be within this period of incredible change in the industry: May 1979: Daredevil 158- First Miller art Aug 1979 - Tomb of Dracula cancelled, effectively ending the Marvel BA of Horror Nov 1979: Iron Man #128 "Demon in a Bottle" Feb 1980: She-Hulk #1 Mar 1980: King Conan 1 Apr 1980: Star Trek 1 Spring 1980: Epic Illustrated 1 Aug 1980 - Tomb of Dracula Magazine cancelled Sep 1980: X-Men 137- Death of Dark Phoenix Oct 1980: DC Presents 26- first New Teen Titans Nov 1980: New Teen Titans 1 Nov 1980: Moon Knight gets his own series 1980 : Superboy Spectacular- Direct Sales only 1-shot Jan 1981: Daredevil 168- First Miller -script; Intro Elektra Jan 1981: X-Men 141- Days of Future Past launches alternate time line that would form the basis for lots of uber-fandom-based X-continuity over the next several years Jan 1981: Capital Comics launches and publishes Nexus 1 Mar 1981: X-Men 143- Final Claremont/Byrne Mar 1981: Dazzler 1- First direct-sales-only for an ongoing series Mar 1981: Bizarre Adventures starts Mar 1981: Captain Canuck is cancelled May 1981: Eclipse Magazine starts June 1981: The Hulk magazine ends Jul 1981: Fantastic Four 232 - Byrne takes over FF writing/art duties. Aug 1981: Rogue debuts Aug 1981: Marvel Premiere ends Nov 1981: Captain Victory 1- First Pacific Comics issue, direct-only publisher 1981: Marvel cancels many of its reprint titles, including MGC, AA, TTA, MSA, etc. 1981: Stan Lee moves to California to head Marvel TV/movie properties, leaving Jim Shooter in charge 1981: Jenette Kahn promoted to President of DC Comics, leading the way for Vertigo and GN explosion. Feb 1982: Starslayer #1 (first Rocketeer) Mar 1982: Warrior Magazine #1 /Alan Moore (Marvelman, V for Vendetta) Mar 1982: Marvel Fanfare #1 - New Format Apr 1982: Marvel introduces Graphic Novel series, including Death of Captain Marvel and X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills May 1982: Saga of the Swamp Thing #1 May 1982: First Groo the Wanderer June 1982: G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero #1 June 1982: Marvel Super-Hero Contest of Champions #1 (first Marvel mini-series, precursor to Secret Wars) Sept 1982: Love and Rockets debuts Sept 1982: Wolverine Mini #1 1982: Harvey Comics, Warren Publishing and Spire Comics cease operations 1982: DC cancels remaining Horror titles 1982: Start of creator royalties at Marvel and DC 1982: Steve Geppi founds Diamond

The first mention of "6 Infinity Gems" is Marvel Team-Up 55. I believe I posted the exact panel maybe 6 months ago in this thread. I'm not sure where the first individual gem is mentioned but MP 1 is probably as good a guess as any. First Soul/Infinity Gem: Marvel Premiere 1 First Mention of Multiple Infinity/Soul Gems: Random Issue of Captain Marvel

Yep, just like comics from 1989-on.

To me, the coolest and most important of the "Second Generation Thanos" books have to be Thanos Quest, but in the true tradition of maroon speculators, I can only assume they are selling for cover price, right?

If the hologram is "distorted" then why didn't it get a Green Label?

Bumping proper thread.

I have an exceptional memory, but my sister has a true photographic (by whatever definition that goes by today) and has been tested by many experts. She's smart to begin with, and in math/physics she's good and gets 80-90's, but anything memory-centric (which is pretty well anything else) she gets 100 or very close. School is a serious joke to her simply because so many disciplines are textbook/book-centric. Pizzes me off I missed that boat by a single sibling's genetic combo, as I too could have had multiple degrees and Masters.

Well, it's the first appearance of the Soul Jewel/Gem(s), which was later retconned into the Infinity Gem(s). Now, theoretically, from a greasy fanboy POV, the first appearance *could* be The Stranger's first appearance, but that's all 20-20 retconned hindsight. MP 1 is the actual first time it was mentioned and introduced to the MU.

He's just making a bad joke in the vein of "Oh, so you're butthurt by softcore porn and objectionable images in Sigs? Well I'm gonna be butthurt over high-grade comics. Naaaahhh!".

Yes, the special note on the letters page says the cover doesn't actually represent anything that occurs in the story, but they went with it anyway because they loved it. It's a rather long-winded version . . . Yeah, there was apparently some big hoopla about it at the time - a lot of comic nerds were up in arms at being scammed out of their money due to a fraudulent cover depiction.

Exactly, and I cannot believe anyone actually has Sigs turned on in this rathole. You must be simple or something, as only degenerates seem to use them.

Wow, you are one deluded little SOB, ain't ya? Like I said, you're like the kid who has seen the execrable Star Wars prequels, then watches Empire Strikes Back and wonders what the big deal was about Dark Vader being Luke's father - "I knew that already", the self-proclaimed genius says, "I don't see the big deal and I can't believe it actually surprised anyone". Seriously, your hubris is awe-inspiring, and it would be like me going into the GA forum and yelling at a WW2 veteran that he's wrong about the sources for a Captain America Hitler cover from the 40's. The fact that he was physically *at* the battle wouldn't matter to you, right, just what you read in a history text. You, obviously are so deluded that you would jump in with both feet and call the guy a maroon, but not me, since I give real-world experience and "at the time" relevance a lot more respect than some of the knotheads on here.

Another seminal moment in Wolverine history comes in X-Men 100, where he's forced to rely on his "animal senses" for the first time, leading him to "kill" a teammate.

The following panel (after all the other X-Men are beaten senseless by Kierrok) is probably the point where I started taking notice of Wolverine. It's so visceral, and really foreshadows future Wolverine meltdowns.

And speaking of Wolverine, was there ever a better 2-page (re)into to a character than in Giant-Size X-Men #1. If I hadn't already read (and later lost) Hulk 181, I would have been ordering one from Robert Crestohl in a NY minute.

Exactly my point - your entire input to this forum is based on 20-20 hindsight, as opposed to actual reality. You're like the kid who has seen the execrable Star Wars prequels, then watches Empire Strikes Back and wonders what the big deal was about Dark Vader being Luke's father - "I knew that already", the self-proclaimed genius says, "I don't see the big deal and I can't believe it actually surprised anyone". So yes, "at the time" matters.. a LOT.

I really don't understand why people are comparing a Preview newspaper like DC Spotlight with Gobbledygook 1, which is an actual comic book with actual stories and art inside by Eastman and Laird. The fact that TMNT fans have grabbed onto Gobbledygook 1 due to its full-page ad has no impact on its viability as a real live comic book with stories and art.

No. Previews are not comics and that's about all that needs to be said. That wasn't my point at all. Context brother, context. Can't wait for Vince to respond to this point alone, never mind the rest . . . Why bother, as he's splitting gnat sheit from pepper when he says, it's "the first depiction" and then gets all butthurt when no one agrees with him, stating later that "it's different than a first appearance". He's like those sportscard guys in the 80's who would parade around pictures of some athlete in Sports Illustrated that pre-dated the rookie card, and then spouting how much it should be worth, blah, blah, blah. I remember someone doing that with Bo Jackson, who was a well-known and well-publicized athlete well before he was drafted (Wayne Gretzky was a news item since he was a kid), screaming about how "Bo was in SI long before he got a sportscard/this should be worth more than his RC, etc." without understanding why no one else cared. If you only collect COMICS or CARDS, who cares about a prior depiction in a magazine or preview newspaper. I know I don't, as they are totally different things.

The early X-Men are great not only for the stories, but also because Claremont, and later Byrne, slowly parceled out tiny but integral pieces of the Wolverine origin, while developing the character into the icon that took comics by storm. And to say that "all Wolverine did from GS X-Men 1 to X-Men 108 was to sit around doing nothing in a few panels per issue" is insane. Some of the best pages of the book involved Wolverine, and again, it being a team book required that all characters get their time in the sun. The Juggernaut fight in X-Men 102-103 is a great action piece, and although outmatched, Wolvie is in there fighting.

Obviously, as you clearly weren't reading this series at the time. When it came out, it was big news, and Banshee echoed the readers with his "Yer claws... laddie... lord above.. they're part of you... we.. I... didn't know!" comment.

No. Previews are not comics and that's about all that needs to be said.

Seriously? Have you even read the X-Men comics? One of *the* most important revelations in the Wolverine mythos came about in X-Men 98, whereby his claws are shown to be part of his body (prior to that, it was the old "claws in the glove" character design) and it's hinted that he may not be a mutant after all (the mutated wolverine angle was later dropped), as well as some healthy sexual-undertone banter with Jean. This also might be the first time Wolvie slices and dices non-super human beings with his claws. Wolverine having claws attached to his skeleton is SOP today, but back then it was huge news and kinda freaked me out at the time (how could his claws not rip off his arms? - answered later in X-Men 126) and I can remember showing the page to some friends and they were equally surprised. Show me a single page in X-Men Annual 14 that gives Gambit this level of exposition and character development. There are many others, keeping in mind this is a T-E-A-M book that needs to share the pages with other members - Wolverine is also central in the big dust-up with Juggernaut in X-Men 103-104 and against the Imperial Guard (where he gets a new costume) in X-Men 107-108.

Yeah.. okay.

At least it's a book I don't have, and of a character that is such a blatant rip-off of Constrictor.