joe_collector

It comes from wedding vows: "... let them speak now or forever hold their peace."

Yep, for every one CG, there are ten scammers out there with "a Hulk 181, ASM 129 and IM 55 to be randomly inserted in the mystery boxes" rip-off raffles.

You should add: Speak now, or forever hold your piece.

Exactly, these rules were never enacted to punish or impugn long-time, trustworthy members like comicalgems, but to protect users from scam artists and frauds, of which there are plenty out there.

Here's the deal guys, in order to stop Harv from having a coronary with his bizarre conjectures: 1) From the PM with Arch, it appears that secondary Mods are not properly understanding or implementing the "No Raffles" rules. 2) Arch therefore felt the need to further clarify the rules regarding "games of chance/ raffles" 3) The reason comicalgems thread was not poofed is because IT WAS OVER DAYS AGO. The boxes sold out, the draw was made, and everything shipped out the 10th, 3 days *before* Arch got personally involved. Clear? Now, if you have a time machine, please PM Arch.

Exactly, and this is clearly a draw: If all ten sell I'll have a drawing where 10th name drawn receives X-Factor 6 CGC 9.8.

If so, then Ocean better realize he is on a very short leash. This is like a mass-murderer being let off because he just happened not to kill one specific guy he was accused of. Doesn't make him innocent, just of that charge.

I never said a word about that.

My theory: He mistakenly forgot to get tracking or lost the tracking stub, and is now crossing his fingers that it get delivered so he doesn't have to go to the USPS to look it up.

To be honest, massive spoon that he is, I don't see ocean being in the wrong in this specific instance. Lots of other occasions, sure, but not here. If someone "pulled a jawn" on me, I would take that kind of crapola.

Same here, and I cannot believe people are not only giving jawn a free ride, but supporting his bid to put someone on the PL. I can't even imagine doing something like vindictively putting a BIN after those PMs and then following it up with a PL nom? IMO, they're both major spoons and if ocean is on the PL, then jawn should join him ASAP.

That's pretty well it, but I just don't agree with the tactics.

IT'S LUNCHTIME!!

There never has been a discussion. Ocean got railroaded into the PL and no number of complaints will change that. So watch it, you could be next. You said it therefore it's true. When someone (you) not evenly remotely involved in the perceived transaction, initiated the PL disbarment process, it certainly makes you think about motive. Go back and read. I did and you were the first to initiate the process, it's all there in black and white.

Joke around all you want, but I thought it was the buyer/seller who needed to initiate the process, not 3rd parties with a potential agenda. And it's also quite amusing that the 3rd party (Branget) is also the most vocal in confronting accusations that Ocean may have been railroaded.

There never has been a discussion. Ocean got railroaded into the PL and no number of complaints will change that. So watch it, you could be next. You said it therefore it's true. When someone (you) not evenly remotely involved in the perceived transaction, initiated the PL disbarment process, it certainly makes you think about motive.

This is probably the most even-handed of all replies, and I urge people to read it:

There never has been a discussion. Ocean got railroaded into the PL and no number of complaints will change that. So watch it, you could be next.

Huh? You do realize that "keeping" something is not an active task and requires nothing more than *not* doing anything.

But that's an internal thought, and I don't anyone who SPEAKS like that. If someone says to me "I think I will be moving" that means they are, or will soon be, looking for a new place, not idling deciding whether they might move someday in the far-flung future. Otherwise, they wouldn't voice that statement at all.

Sorry, but I don't know anyone who speaks like that.

Damn straight. Seriously, is English your first language? Not a slam, but a lot of my friends are francophone and don't understand nuance like this. But I'm about done here, as it appears that even though the charges are obviously trumped up, Ocean seems to have burned too many bridges and his railroading seems to be final. But let's see when this situation crops up with a more reputable seller, if you ethical icons follow the exact same rules and precedent. Somehow I doubt you will.

What? That was never posted at the start, but a week later. Get with the program. But yes, if a week later you replied to an offer in teh thread or via PM that "I think I will keep it" I would fully support your position that there was no transaction.

I'd bet real money that if we ran a poll within the general public, whereby he/she is trying to buy a product from an individual, and the seller told them: "I think I will keep it" Does that mean: a) the seller wants to keep it b) the seller doesn't want to keep it c) the seller wants more money There is no question that a) would win the poll, as that's the most logical assumption based on the English language. Due to their own biases and experience, some would chose b) or c) but not in majority numbers. I speak like this all the time: "I think I'll go to the store" "I think I'll go out for a drive and look for new houses on sale" "I think I'll order pizza tonight" I'm not negotiating, I'm stating what I am going to do starting with "I think".