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Damn. Who do I throw the Maltesers at now.....

There will always be no pence TTA #62's on the census Albert because they never made none, y' daft apeth.

I know. But it could be a third use, or fourth, is what I meant.

It's the fly in the ointment isn't it. We can find all the examples we like of late 1959 stamped DC's, but we'll never be 100% sure which cycle they landed in.

Do you think he drew the stamp as well? Someone winding us up.

My latest. All the others were done with a Joaquin Phoenix joker pic on my phone (hence the long hair), this one I did with no photo reference I like it. I like, again, the complete absence of menace. All seem like friendly uncles, messing about with their grand kids face paints. You've created a new thing here, Blob. Ordinary Joeker

Shame it's a '1'...

I'll look forward to it Albert. I can't look back on it, as you haven't posted it yet. Catch you all later, I'm off for a breath of fresh air pollution.

So few reasons, we have You're spot on with TTA #62 Albert - no UKPV and not a stamped copy in sight. I collected a set of these for my brother about 10 years ago and don't recall ever seeing a dirty great T&P on one of them. Always a nice, clean, green (Hulk like), undisturbed cover that one. Here's his old copy, to underline your point:

Right, thanks Albert. The evidence grows therefore that the break in UKPVs in this period may have nothing to do with shipping strikes given that the books continued to arrive in the UK, just as stamped cents copies: If T&P solicited and distributed the printed UKPVs, and then maintained that distribution with stamped cents copies until the UKPVs resumed, then the issue is more likely something contractual or, perhaps, related to the pricing which changed from a printed 9d to a printed 10d on the resumption. Or, as Gary said, some issue with the printers? Either way, a shipping issue now seems highly unlikely to be anything to do with that particular UKPV interruption.

Doesn't that imply that they all came over in sequence then, the missing 10 or so issues from all applicable Marvel titles? Wouldn't you, collecting from early 1965, have noticed the gap and then, if it happened that way, the glut of late issues when they resumed? This one you mean Albert? Most of the 'missing' JIMs are there, 110-118. And the Sgt Furys?

Albert, @Albert Tatlock before it gets lost, can you respond to this mate:

Holy jumpin’, Lou, that #2 is absolutely blinding! No wonder Ock is wearing sun glasses

Do those dates tie in Albert?:

One stamp old, one stamp new! Round the wrong way, what's to dooo, oo-oo-ooo, oo-oo-ooo! Well I've still got memories, to cherish

I posted one above - I'll let you catch up - please, when you have, tell me what you think of my question regarding the 10 issue gap that I posted earlier

An earlier All-American Men of War: A December 1959 book, stamped a '6', places it here in the first cycle with our four other examples: The more it grows, the more likely it could be that they are all actually first cycle stamps, and not late seconds...?

Found one, on a horror magazine dated April 1977 - not very clear, but I see a price on a gold 'GSP' sticker:

That's something you'd expect there to be a record of somewhere I've have thought That doesn't seem plausible to me, based on what I know of the printing process, but who knows? Where's Albert gone? And Mr T? Chime in boys....

Here's another example - a different stamp type but again with evidence of a sticker having been removed: Do we know what the Gold Star stickers looked like @Albert Tatlock - did they have prices on them?

That's kind of how I feel about this. I'm not comfortable with this 'all or nothing approach' to seller transgressions which can clearly vary significantly in their severity. In most other walks of life you are judged by the totality of your actions, not a single one. Rick Starr has been a member here since 2007 and has run countless sales thread, all seemingly successfully. He has many followers and, by his own words, a long history as a seller on and off the boards. Does all that positive history count for nothing? If this were eBay he may have a 99% feedback record with the one transgression noted. Rick is clearly in the wrong on this incident based on the facts presented. But people of good character sometimes make inexplicable mistakes or errors of judgement. Maybe, when Rick logged on, he might have expected some more comments from the community that he has been a part of for 13 years supportive of him as a decent guy who has acted out of character. Maybe - and again, this can happen to good people - the barrage of negative commentary (from his peers) seemed so unjust and out of proportion to him that it disabused him of the notion to put the matter right there and then. This can happen to good people - influenced by indignation, they make a bad error of judgement on top of another and all of a sudden the matter seems lost. Have you ever read an online post that was critical of you and felt the rage? Put yourself in Rick's shoes for one minute. Almost universal condemnation for his actions from his peers. How do you think he feels? How would you feel, logging on to see your name and address posted publicly and an avalanche of criticism from your peers? Is it a part of human frailty that we can resent so strongly an accusation of impropriety - even when it is justified - that it influences us away from putting the matter right? Rick can put this right by selling the book to the writestuff. But I think he has been smashed here, absolutely smashed, because there is no nuance to the process, no consideration of past behaviours. I doubt he'll return. Maybe a series of posts or PMs from those he has dealt with here urging Rick to do the right thing would have put this right, put him on the right path. We all make mistakes, we all have our pride. Writestuff - you are absolutely right to feel annoyed and messed around by this event. But 157 posts of character assassination of a fellow board member of previously good standing seems as unjust to me as the crime against you. You've both lost here - you, a comic that you wanted, Rick, his board reputation. And I dislike the mob mentality here where those who offer alternative viewpoints are themselves ganged up on and, in some indefinable way, placed on the naughty step themselves. There has to be a better way of managing such events and I think the one size fits all approach has clear failings.

For those who find UKPV history interesting, my early UK distribution review thread below is developing nicely and touching on many UKPV related points (including DC T&P stamp numbering): A nice read on a rainy afternoon if you fancy it

For those who find UKPV history interesting, my early UK distribution review thread below is developing nicely and touching on many UKPV related points (e.g. gap theory): A nice read on a rainy afternoon if you fancy it

I agree - the references to dock strikes that I have seen have always been anecdotal, nothing concrete. I agree that a strike wouldn't necessarily stop the books being printed as UKPVs and I can't believe they'd pulp them. Why not sit on them and then ship them when the strike was over, instead of shipping cents copies in their place? Much more likely that there was a hiccup in the arrangement between T&P and Marvel (as it looks like DC distribution carried on as normal?). I've always dealt in fact in my research - ASM 42 & 43 haven't surfaced as UKPVs. Ditto the UKPV gaps for all the other Marvels which I've plotted over many years and are now happy with. I don't know why they don't exist though, and shipping strikes has been the only suggestion that I have seen put forward. Does it make any sense though? So I'm keen to press on with this avenue of exploration, as it may be the case that we can disprove some old erroneous assumptions now that we have some more people participating with a greater historic knowledge of the time than I have