Get Marwood & I

Alice Cooper's looking good there.

Sorry Barry

I'm always happy me Aman. Except weekdays. And weekends. I do enjoy these debates. It's nice when people chip in and I always like your take on things drawn from your printing experience, hence the flag. I'm not sure we'll ever know for sure how it all happened, what was deliberate, what was an oversight. So many quirks around this time. And I'm not massively fussed what is called what. There are facts, and there are opinions. My focus has always been on the fact, the fact of what does exist. Hence the exhaustive summaries. But I also enjoy the speculation, even when I'm proven wrong (see JIM 64 & 65!). Until definitive facts arrive, I'm sticking with the first printing concept I've outlined and the descriptors. All good fun, as I always say

Paging @Get Marwood & I They've found a cure for you!!!!!!!! I could do with some tonight actually. They're cracking off like sellotape being pulled off a window

I'm a diabetic so have to stay away from sugar confections. Its a boring Muesli for me I'm afraid although I do get the fry-up on weekends. I've called @rakehell Stephen when he's Robert haven't I Stephen

I'm reminded of the first thought I had when I saw Kylo Ren's face... "Put the helmet back on!!!" Orrible isn't it Ryan. They say Liefeld can't do feet. Well he clearly cant do knobs either!

Not now you've arrived And you as well...., The Penceioners

Not now you've arrived

Blimey. There wouldn't be any threads left if everyone did that.

Higher than an eight!

Any behind the scenes news @DeadOne ?

I keep telling you Dave, bring Honey Nut Loops or you're off the gig mate

"Why, thank you very much Mr Fognel"

Hooray, a convert, thanks Whowood? Not just me. Others have been banging the drum, long before I started boring everyone clarifying I don't see it that way at all Aman. That's quite an odd idea to me. There will be many scenarios under which the presses could stop, pence books included or otherwise. The presses break down. Run out of paper / ink. Run out of time maybe even. If I'm the guy in charge, and the job sheet says run off 100K of book A. Whether I run off all 100K in one go, or staggered throughout the day, that's the one overall printing. If you're logic held true, three of the four known Rawhide Kid #17 10c font / price variations would by definition be second, third and fourth printings. That's silly Aman, surely? That's a good point - it's only the covers that differ. All the interior pages are the same for pence and cents copies. So, notwithstanding your point above, the interiors are all first printings. We don't know how it was done, and we may never know. But I can't see why they would print 4 covers on a sheet, one of which being a pence, and then have to hand sort them later. That would be spectacularly inefficient operationally (I know, I know) Yes, a further reason to discount the 'four covers page page / one is a pence copy' scenario - that would make the end pence product 25% of the production volume and we know - anecdotally - that it was between 5 and 10% So, my summary / position is that the pence books were printed separately to the cents but as part of one whole printing job (Barry, print me 90K of these and 10k of these). Being one whole printing job, both copies are therefore first printings. They are printings from the first - and only in most cases - production run. To call whichever priced book was produced at the end of the run a 'second printing' is a leap too far in my view and would be totally at odds with what I believe to be the common understanding of a 'second printing', that is, a book produced after the original production event due to a specific market need. What say thou now Aman (and what's your name by the way, I feel silly calling people Aman and SFC Duck in these discussions)?

The Dude obviously loves pence threads @01TheDude what's the score wit the thread title? You've got us all puzzled

Are you saying you met a poor Thor? Zut alors that Thor I met was a poor Thor

I met a Thor once. He wasn't very good.

Damned if I can remember. Anyone out there got one?

I thought it was a chromium layer over acetate?

Ta That's not how I define 'variant' so I'm happy to agree to disagree Yes, it's a term that is often abused. Below is one Google induced definition. In my view, the pence copy is the 'thing that differs' from the cents copy which is the 'same thing' / the 'standard': Yes, sorry, print runs have nothing to do with the definition I agree - I just added it as a further pence info snippet, not to back up the terminology discussion. To be clear, T&P didn't publish, they distributed the pence copies that Marvel published and had printed. I quite enjoyed that challenge SFCD - as I said above, I'm happy to agree to disagree on terminology. If I went back to drawing board I would still settle on 'Marvel Pence Priced Variants' as a description for these books. But I do understand where you are coming from. Cheers, Steve