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Individually, yes. That's why CGC can 'get away with it'. Collectively.... You've purchased a service and product. You're unhappy with it because it has an unsightly production flaw which is totally at odds with the spirit of what an encapsulation process for collectibles from a visual medium should be. You are in the right. Contact CGC and demand redress. If they refuse, stop using them and spread the word.

I knew he'd have two eyes!

I knew he'd have two eyes!

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A little experiment, while we're on the subject, subject to Roy accepting the challenge Roy is one of the few US followers of this thread. Roy, if you would, as a widely respected and knowledgeable US dealer, if you had two identically graded ASM #1's, one pence, one cents, what % difference in price, if any, would you set them at and why? @VintageComics

Again, maybe. But look at my pence threads here as an indicator of interest - very little feedback from the community, which I accept and understand. The majority of contributors are from my neck of the woods, or my board pals just being kind. I've been here two years now and not one US collector in all that time has said "cool, I need me a set of them!" That doesn't indicate an increasing interest in the books to me. I've been reading and hearing that the pence books will be more appreciated for years. It's like the latest cure for type 1 diabetes - always five years away, never comes. AF15, Hulk 1 etc - they may well go up, because of their importance. The rest? I'm not so sure. I certainly hope so though. But rarity is not always a guarantee of financial prominence. If there is no, or a limited market for pence copies, there will be no price parity with cents copies, let alone the greater prices that pence books should in theory command given their comparative scarcity. For the record, I'm not that fussed about value and keep only a passing interest in financial trends, so others who do may have a different view / story to tell. It suits me for prices to be lower, as that means I can buy books reasonably for research purposes. My interest is what exists, what doesn't, and why. If all I leave behind when I die is the most comprehensive summary of US first printing pence priced books for every known publisher, I'll be happy. Oh, and Miller variants. And that font stuff. And AUS price variants. And the 1999/2000 US price variants. In fact, all those little variations that so few care about

We know better too.

Yes.

Snakes and ladders

I deliberately left the k off to save peoples blushes

I can't believe I bought that just so I could make this post Gnash. Dedication, or foolhardiness? Youuh dee-cide (in Big Brother voice over man voice)

AN IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING HARVEY FIRST PRINTING PENCE PRICE VARIANTS!

Maybe. The Canadians are priced in cents though - most collectors couldn't tell their 60c from their 75c in my experience. Pence prices look 'alien' to the US collector, and scream out 'not the real thing' hence the historic reluctance to accept them as equals. Of course, we here in the pence threads no better....

Once you separate out that there are some really great people working at CGC - Brittany being the shining example - the actual current Senior Management endorsed position is still unsatisfactory in my view. What I am seeing reading the last few pages of this thread is an attempt by CGC to 'normalise' an unsatisfactory production issue. If you don't like NRs, that's your fault, seems to be the message. If you purchased a pack of five chicken breasts, got them home, opened them, and the smell knocked you off your feet, you would take them back and expect a refund. They're very likely off. CGC acknowledge that NRs are a problem by providing examples of excessively affected books and offering to reholder them. This is an acknowledgement that NRs are a problem, and undesirable. It is not for CGC to decide the extent to which that problem requires redress. If CGC were the supermarket, and you returned your rotten chicken breasts, would they say "Look, only one of the breasts is off. The other four are fine, so no refund". It's nonsense. You cannot say a small problem can be ignored and dictate to the paying customer when that problem meets the threshold for remedial action. CGC have graded 5M items over their lifetime, of which many millions will be comics. If only a fraction of 1% of those books were covered in NRs, that would still represent a sizeable figure. If a large % of the customers affected complained here en masse, it would look like a lot of discontent. But it would only be a tiny fraction of the overall output so perhaps not worth a song and dance. No company can be 100% right all the time, every time. If that is the case here though (no pun intended), then CGC should offer a straight no quibble reholder with free shipping and a future credit for the inconvenience. That is what a rerasonable company would do, rather than risk jeopardising their reputation for the sake of a 'small' issue. So why aren't they? Is the problem much bigger than believed? Does one in two books leave the CGC QC department with rings at the moment? We don't know. The only thing we know, is that lots of board members here are posting that their books have them and the responses from CGC are varied. You can have a reholder - you can't. That's unsatisfactory. So, I again say a big thank you to Brittany for being the only person I contacted about this poll to come through with a response for us. But that response is in no way adequate. We need a statement that says: We have a production issue and are working hard to fix it If you are impacted by it, we offer this no quibble remedial service to you (insert something really customer focused here) We will tell you when it has been engineered out of existence, if you would prefer not to submit books given that we cannot currently guarantee a NR free end product We are sorry our service has fallen below the high standards you would expect from us I wont be taking my Spideys to the new London office until I see that the problem has been resolved - definitively. I accept that that won't amount to a hill of beans. But if we all did it.... One last thought. If the National Gallery got in touch with CGC and asked them to create for them some 'crystal clear' cases in which they would display all the old masters to the public do you think CGC would tell them NRs were satisfactory? "Mum. Why has the Mona Lisa got oil all over her face?" "Be quiet Timmy. That's an optical illusion caused by two plastics touching each other and is entirely normal" "Oh. Right..... Mum....."

Don't bet on it...

Keep up Harry! You nearly missed these:

Hello @GermanFan ! It's WDC&S #240! (Or Vol. 19 #12, if you're a smart a*** like @AJD ) Come on down! Already got that one GF: Go find me a 242 and 243

Maths boy, maths! I'm an Englander and we talk proper.

I obviously knew that AJD!

Oh yeah. Good spot. I like the way the Charlton blurb says "Don't miss the Space Serpent!" Like you could, size of the damn thing...

2 copies of L'il Genius #34 should cower it, since we're talking Japanee

"I'm now going to proceed, by placing one foot in front of the other to achieve forward momentum. I'll breathe as I go - in, then out - and will use my eyes to identify any obstacles which threaten my continued progress. Later, I will sustain my energy resources by eating a large plate of chicken dippers."

None of you I'm sure will have wondered what I meant by buying the above books 'for the files'. Why would you? That would indicate an interest in the subject matter which would never do. But anyone who collects comic images in the name of research will surely know the pain of not being able to find a 'decent' image. I have 3,017 Marvel images saved in the files. Many are scans from books that I own or have owned in the past and many have been lifted from various online sources. But I can't stand a bad image. I like them to look like one I have scanned myself. So, accordingly, I have a list of books needing an 'image upgrade'. Yes, that's right. That list exists. There's only about a hundred books on it mind, and I'll get them in the end (best place to get them Jim). You would think the list would be populated with really early rare books but often it's 'bog standard' books like these 6 that follow, all of which have stubbornly refused to appear online with adequate style. They're nice though, aren't they

Sorry - I wish that wasn't the case.