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Why are people getting bent out of shape over CGC asking for a receipt? Can anyone tell me an example of receiving a refund, from someone who did not sell the item in question, without being asked for a receipt? Seriously, it is the start of the refund conversation/dance. If you have a swapped 9.8 ASM #194, is CGC just supposed to send you a check for the last 90 day GPA average which is $2716? What if you are one of the poor souls who paid above $5,000 for your copy? How would CGC know this without a receipt?

Take a deep breath, settle your butt down in your sofa, deep breath, and explain you do not have a receipt but you bought the book from X for this much money at this auction, convention, or back alley. I have confidence that CGC will make you whole. They want this whole incident to fade into memory like the Ewert scandal. The best way to do this is to get the impacted people paid and hushed.

A better question would be that if you want your book back, how would CGC return it? Obviously they would have to return it but it has been broken out of the original holder for inspection. I feel they should grade it for free and offer to return it properly encased and graded. Would they do that or would they just send you your raw comic?

My first Mopsy. I think it is a very underrated title.

On 1/15/2024 at 10:49 AM, Robot Man said:

The first book I ever submitted to CGC. A million years ago when I bought it, the dealer graded it vf-nm. At the time, I thought it was only slightly overgraded…

Beautiful copy!

Phantom Lady to tangible lady

On 1/11/2024 at 2:35 PM, badback83 said:

Thank you Richard.  I assumed that would be the correct thing to do, but just wanted to get the opinion of the experts.  The paper itself is actually quite nice.  Definitely a good bit of restoration, but that’s the only way I could afford a Cap 2.  I’m quite thrilled right now.

Congratulations! A killer book to own regardless of the grade or level of restoration.

On 1/7/2024 at 9:56 PM, Dale Roberts said:

Daredevil #137  NM-  $20

 

Laugh to Pep

Sly look to sly look

On 12/31/2023 at 5:13 PM, sagii said:

Ok, since Cat said it's more of a collecting journey, the second post will stray from gold, but are still comics. So, i think i posted in a Thread asking goals for this year that i'd love to have a Mile High copy, that goal was achieved. Also got a rare book, a key 1st appearance and a classic cover back in the PC. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, oh, wow! That is an incredibly cool book! NIce grab, Sagii!

"Close Call" to "You call that Clothes?"

touch to getting touched up

On 12/28/2023 at 12:25 AM, Phill the Governor said:

Wonder Comics #13. CGC 9.2 w Schomburg Airbrushed Bondage cover. One of the best in the run.

Colors are much darker than the scans show.

Price - $7250

 

 

 

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This is a crazy beautiful book! 

On 12/26/2023 at 7:49 PM, Dale Roberts said:

Spectacular Spider-man #7  NM   $25     original owner collection

 

take it

On 12/26/2023 at 7:38 PM, Dale Roberts said:

Invaders #25 9.6/9.8   $40     original owner collection

 

Strapped down to tied up

On 12/18/2023 at 12:53 PM, VintageComics said:

I think it's far easier to estimate a reimagined grade with Qualified books than it is for Restored books for the reason that you're basically just removing one defect. 

With Restored books, that's much harder to figure out because the resto hides a lot of what was underneath it and therefore there is some more risk there, so I understand why CGC would be reluctant to estimate an unrestored grade. That risk is really is where the flippers play their game. They're willing to gamble for the win, but as they say big risk, big reward. 

FWIW, I've only ever had resto removed from 2 or maybe 3 books ever, tops. It's not something I really dabble in.

I have 2 books that I really should get the conservation removed but I am too "afeared" as they say.I had removed two tear seals on an internal page that did not affect the grade one way or the other but that is as far as I have gone with removal. Not saying I never will have color touch removed but I haven't yet.

You are right about the difficulty to predict a grade after restoration removal. That is why I say they could put an "estimated" grade with their usual caveats about how their grades do not mean anything.

On 12/17/2023 at 7:39 PM, VintageComics said:

I personally believe it's not just about whether the color of the labels segregates the books, but it's also about how colored labels are segregated from the Universal label.

It's interesting that you mention the Green label, as I have also long had the opinion that the Green label has done a similar disservice to comic prices for a similar but slightly different reason. I've long had the belief that CGC should always list both the Qualified AND the Universal grade of the book so that buyers can make a more informed decision. 

For example, a chunk out of the cover may give the book a Qualified 9.4 grade but the book may actually grade a 7.0 Universal. Why wouldn't CGC list both grades on the Green label, thereby giving potential buyers a more informed decision?

You can see the parallel...the more a potential buyer knows about the non-Universal book, the better they can value it compared to the Universal market. 

We had a clear example of this many years ago on these very forums. One of our longtime forum members bought a qualified TOS #39 many years ago with one hole punch through the cover. I think the book was graded a Qualified NM range range (may have been a 9.4). They ended up seeing the value in the book that nobody else could and they bought it for a bargain as a qualified 9.4 that ended up resubbing into a blue label 7.0...and being worth much more than they paid for it as a qualified book. 

People who are flipping Restored books by un-restoring them are doing exactly this. By self educating themselves on how to reverse engineer the Restored and Qualified books into what they think the book will grade as a Universal label, they are finding the hidden value that's causing the mini market of un-restoring books that some are talking about.

Imagine if CGC had the unrestored or unqualified grades on their labels?

I believe that using a different label color has caused a hindrance or a roadblock to the average Joe in this education process by causing them to outright shun these books rather than be forced to engage with them and therefore learn about them, and that goes for both Restored and Qualified. 

Totally agree. CGC should state both grades on the green label and an "estimation" of the unrestored grade. That would help pricing restored books tremendously and would hopefully stop some of the wild variations I've seen in pricing.

Dispatched to angry gargoyles to wrestling with Octopus

On 12/16/2023 at 5:42 PM, VintageComics said:

I've argued for over 15 years that the purple label created a distaste for that label, which created a strong public aversion to slabbed Restored books, preventing people from trying to understand restored books better and causing the large price disparity.

That's the main reason they're so affordable and why the price gap is large enough for people to profit in between. 

And I agree. As long as I know what I'm getting, for some pieces I don't mind restored. 

There was an insane dislike for restored books among collectors waaayyy before CGC was even a pipe dream. I'm not sure how much the purple label played a factor with collectors who were around before CGC. Still, it is an interesting thought experiment: what if CGC had chosen green as the restored label and purple as the qualified? Would green be hated as much as the real life "purple label of death?" Green certainly does not seem to help the qualified books, currently, so 

On 12/14/2023 at 9:01 PM, MrBedrock said:

Really disappointed I was stuck in OK and not in Dallas to see your collection. Absolutely stunning as always! 

On 12/14/2023 at 8:50 PM, Cat-Man_America said:

USA appears to be gaining in popularity again (who would've thunk it!?); just for the halibut here are my odd copies...

 

Outstanding!