Kalel38

5 hours ago, G.A.tor said:

I will take it 

Smart play Rick!!! 👌

yah beat me by 5hrs  

Sold!!!

7 hours ago, Kalel38 said:

Asking price $3999.00 or best offer.

Book does come with graders notes and is press able to 9.8 from the note.

 

First takeit wins and immediately trumps all PM negotiations. Any variation of "takeit" counts.

I accept Paypal. 

Shipping is included with the price 

Please do not commit to buy unless you intend to follow through.

Thanks and best wishes to the buyer on this beautiful book. 😊
Happy New Year!!! 

 Flash sale of $3600.00 

first one to  winner winner!!! 👏

Asking price $3999.00 or best offer.

Book does come with graders notes and is press able to 9.8 from the note.

First takeit wins and immediately trumps all PM negotiations. Any variation of "takeit" counts.

I accept Paypal. 

Shipping is included with the price 

Please do not commit to buy unless you intend to follow through.

Thanks and best wishes to the buyer on this beautiful book. 😊
Happy New Year!!! 

12 hours ago, Ryan. said:

@sfcityduck, don't make yourself nuts trying to convince this guy. The comic collecting community prevalent on YouTube pushes a narrative that books with print runs in the 1500-2000 range are "ultra rare" and everything needs to be in a CGC slab to have real value. These collectors sink a ton of money into Moderns, usually get burned, and either smarten up or move on to a different hobby. 

12 hours ago, Ryan. said:

@sfcityduck, don't make yourself nuts trying to convince this guy. The comic collecting community prevalent on YouTube pushes a narrative that books with print runs in the 1500-2000 range are "ultra rare" and everything needs to be in a CGC slab to have real value. These collectors sink a ton of money into Moderns, usually get burned, and either smarten up or move on to a different hobby. 

12 hours ago, Ryan. said:

@sfcityduck, don't make yourself nuts trying to convince this guy. The comic collecting community prevalent on YouTube pushes a narrative that books with print runs in the 1500-2000 range are "ultra rare" and everything needs to be in a CGC slab to have real value. These collectors sink a ton of money into Moderns, usually get burned, and either smarten up or move on to a different hobby. 

I hate to break it to u Ryan but I don't collect moderns and hate to burst this plucky ducks bubble but having a book not professionaly valued by a qualified insurer means u could have whatever book u think is 1 million dollars and say it's worth whatever.. Amatuers I deal with really makes me laugh 

9 hours ago, sfcityduck said:

I don't understand what you are trying to say.  Perhaps you could rephrase your comment.

My point:  Collector's don't CGC a comic unless they want to sell it or, and this is a lesser consideration, they feel they need to do so to protect the comic (small number) or to boast about it (smaller number).  To use Action 1 as an example, the best copy of that comic is not graded.  IT has been held by the same collector since 1986, at least (and he also owns the best D27).  As I said, my local LCS owner in a small college town in a small population state owns a really nice Action 1 (not CGC'd) that he bought in 1980 (to much fanfare).  The major GA collectors and dealers are aware of many other Action 1s that are not slabbed.  There's a well-known SoCal collector with 3 unslabbed Action 1s.  The GA  guys with most knowledge generally say that fewer than 1/3rd of Action 1s are slabbed. 

And that's Action 1.  The comic that most folks would probably believe is most likely to be slabbed. 

No one would expect Albedo 2 to be slabbed at near the same rate as Action 1.  A 10% slab rate for Albedo seems very reasonable.  I suspect that would be much much higher than for most comics of that time period.  

So what's the take away?  Census numbers are not the universe of copies.  They are a small percentage of the universe of copies.  And that percentage varies from book to book.  

To say there is a higher grade Action Comics #1 out there then the one that was sold I believe 9.0 a few years ago for over 2 million is like me saying I have seen big foot. Oh I've heard this story a million times like  Moby tale of the so called Dentist who has this copy just like the Duke of England no pun intended.. There's always someone saying soemthing and never have proof to back it up. I can say I have seen Aliens in my back yard and would my word be enough to say it's true? Of course not...but what amuses me the most from this hobby is facts.. When there is facts then there is proof,I'm sure there is plenty more Action Comics #1 out there just like Albedo 2 but the fact remains when u collect in this hobby and know a piticular value to something no one in there right mind is going to leave it ungraded for a certain amount of time. Every major book has a value to it once it is graded and with that grade comes "monetary"value. You don't stick a book in a blank vault let's say with a raw copy of  Marvel Comics #1 and not having the book evsluated because that's like putting a IOU stub inside saying this is worth 100,000.. Eveything has "MONETARY" value. Insurance purposes for those who are smart.. Would u get your house uninsured?...The point is simple every major collector who collects comics seriously knows what the value is to their books they collect or what they see from over street to Cgc forum sites and most of all "eBay".. Ultimate fallout four how many are graded? Quite a lot aren't they.. You know why because people are cashing out at the right time. So to end this debate on a proper note anyone who has a book that has a massive value to it like Action 1 or TMNT 1 to etc has them graded because it's the smart thing to do. Next time you go driving your car don't insure it and see what taking ur chance happens... 

1 hour ago, sfcityduck said:

So much wrong with this post.

First, my collecting heyday was mid-70s to the end of the 80s.  As an anecdote: ALL of the comics I collected then are safely and securely stored away and largely have not been read since 1991.  (I have many of my most favorite runs in collected editions now).  I'm not unique.  Most collectors who bought in the 80s and held simply don't see a need to CGC unless you want to sell.  CGC numbers don't reflect the collections of folks like me who rarely CGC.  And we are the vast majority of collectors.

Second, yes, many of my comics are as fresh today as they were back then.  I have runs bought in the later 80s which are so "newsstand fresh" that the spines still have not been flattened.  They are exactly as they were the day I bought them because by late 80s they went straight into bags and boards without being read.  I gave up buying new titles up by 1991.

Third, NO ONE BOUGHT AN ALBEDO 2 OTHER THAN A COMIC COLLECTOR.  And comic collectors either held the book or sold it to a store or another collector.  While some copies undoubtedly were destroyed in fires, floods, accidents or, in a miniscule number of cases tossed by collectors, my guess that number is well below 10%.  Any comic collector who bought Albedo 2, when the title was hot and b&w comics generally were the subject of speculation, would have held it.  There was no internet, but word got around fast in various speculator publications.  The immediate price inflation of Comico Primer (Grendel) and subsequent b&w books like TMNT had a huge impact on us back then.  That's why the collections of guys my age are littered with a ton of b&w drek that we bought and held hoping some day it would be worth a fortune.  In the case of Albedo, that was a good bet and the number of people who won that bet but don't want to cash in yet is probably still very large.

Fourth, there's another thing .  The collectors I know who were older than me, the ones in their late 20s and 30s when Albedo came out, those guys are sitting on a huge stash of incredible comics.  I know a guy with a collection that includes not a single CGC certified book.  It includes an Action 1 he bought in 1980 for what might have then been a record price, D27, Batman 1, Superman 1, the complete Marvel SA, Centaurs, Barks DD, maybe the best Reform School Girl and best Archie 1, lots of PCH, GGA, and Atlas runs - really a dream collection.  He owned my LCS in a small college town.  NOTHING IS CGC'd.  NOT A SINGLE BOOK.  Because he is not selling off the core of his collection yet.  And I'm confident my old LCS owner also has an Albedo 2 tucked away.

CGC is not a good tool to predict how many books of a given title survived.  It is a good tool to figure out which books are relatively more likely to be sold.

As someone who lived through that time period, I'm confident my opinion is far closer to reality than yours.  

Edited to add:  Man I sound crotchety!  "Get off of my lawn, youngster!"  But, in all seriousness, I think you might want to listen to other collectors who have different experiences than you with a more open mind.  I'm not the only person telling you that Albedo 2 is not as "rare" as you think.  

Then I guess Action comics #1 isn’t as rare also If everything is based off of census status correct??. Must be hoards of collectors who have thousands still locked away in their closets. Statistics that show how much is graded indicates what might be out there outside the census. To say for certain there not rare means someone obviously hasn’t a copy nor can’t except they are a rare book to find and aquire. But again what do I know I’ve only been a collector seller for over 20 years who’s had over 2 copies of Superman 1 to countless other I guess non rare items. It amazes me the defence mechanism one feels soon as one who hasn’t a book has to conjure a non evidence proof to their beliefs to make them think their right. I guess everything that is supposedly rare really isn’t then because of one persons opinion next to what is reality 

8 hours ago, sfcityduck said:

Why?  Netflix's description of the show sounds terrible and Netflix specializes in ignoring the input of creators (and the charm of the original).  Look at what has happened with Airbender!  It's creators have bailed because Netflix won't listen to them (which is shocking given their success and the failure of the movie).

Whaaaaat that makes absolutely no sense at all...

7 hours ago, Wolverinex said:

It's hit or miss because I love umbrella academy and witcher 3...I still think it's better then nothing

To say 2000 of them survived even 35yrs later is like saying I bought a loaf of bread back then and it's still as fresh today as it was back then.. SMH.. If there was then why isn't the market flooded with say 5-10 copies of it on eBay? No one is selling or are there as many out there as less then 200 are graded and 1800 still in raw state in collections? Far cry There's over 10 copies of AF 15 on every given day on eBay and yet you would think there would be more Albedo 2s? You sure about that they all survived? Let’s looks at Spider-Man #1in 1984 from 21yrs since 1963..Now how many survived? 1000-5000 as the census shows today there isn't even 5,000 copies around on census though it had a print run of what 200,000 copies? Are there 100,000 copies still floating around? And yet Albedo 2 to say has a survival rate of 100% after 21yrs in 2005 to 35yrs later today is as much chance as it raining in the arctic in Jan .

8 hours ago, Ryan. said:

That's a lovely anecdote but that hasn't been my experience. At the Boston Comic Con last year there was one dealer that had TMNT first prints across several grades, slabbed and unslabbed, at his booth.  That book tends to be more available at big shows since it's been an eye draw on a dealer's wall for decades.

I have seen maybe one or two Albedo 2s over the years but the crazy price spikes will likely draw more copies out when shows return. 

I know one dealer in piticular who had those TMNT issues and now sold most of them off. As for Albedo 2 popping up more as shows return there as rare seeing them at show as would be Elvis Presley returning to the stage 

1 hour ago, dem1138 said:

As someone who started collecting and going to comic shops and conventions during this time I can tell you that most all of the copies of TMNT #1 (1st prints, etc) and Albedo #2 survived.  They were only sold in comic shops and TMNT #1 was a sensation almost immediately which caused collectors and store owners to account for them.  And early on you could still order them directly from Mirage or they were sold at cons by Eastman & Laird.  By the time Albedo came out it was the independent boom and dealers were all over Albedo #0 (all printings) and #1 (all printings).  So believe me, they were aware of #2 (and #3 and #4 and Critters #1, etc).  This was a time when there were lots of comic shops and very few books fell through the cracks.  It was 1984 not 1944 when books were bought and thrown away and few actually survived.

Its not like every dealer at every con had Albedo #2 and TMNT #1 but if you were patient they would show up every so often at shows and comic shop walls.

Every major show I have attended each year mind u I have never seen 1 copy of Tmnt 1 first print nor Albedo 2 in a span of 25yrs.. That alone says a lot 

44 minutes ago, Ryan. said:

Another bet I would take. 

I would bet also all day long there isn’t 

The book is 36yrs old as is Tmnt 1 the odds of there being close to the original numbers printed in collections is as much chance there being 500 ActionComics #1 copies in grandpas old chest in the attic 

33 minutes ago, Ryan. said:

I'm not sure I quite follow all of your points here but I'll take the bet that there are closer to 2000 copies in existence than there are 300. The vast majority of collectors have no interest in slabs. 

I seriously doubt there are close to 2000 in existence that’s like saying there would be close to 3000 first print copies of Tmnt #1 and 2000 still in raw state because collectors like them raw 

9 minutes ago, Ryan. said:

Very strong price for a raw, especially how easy it is to miss color touch on these. Not sure I would necessarily consider this book as "ultra rare," however, when many GA books have maybe a few dozen copies in existence, though I suppose everything is relative. 

Print run of Albedo 2 was 2000 and how many survived from 1984? Maybe 1/4 of them so maybe 250-300?? If there were more im sure the census would be gaining more at this moment but unfortunately not. With only less then 180 on census I seriously doubt we will see anything in the future of 300 graded copies. So to answer yes this is a very rare sought after grail book. Most golden age mega keys don’t have a few hundred in census and they are over 70+yrs old depending what key issue they are. For a copper age book of the 80s that produced far from few issues that most marvel and dc books that were printed in the 100s of thousands this Albedo 2 is def one book to look out for in the future 

First print shown. Only 500 made 

8 minutes ago, Wolverinex said:

Sweet!  Do you have a photo? Is it the red one?

Red one but the dull one. The brighter red cover has a different back cover also. Il post u the first print I picked up here 

Just now, Wolverinex said:

I know... what's crazier is that the seller seems to only sell vhs tapes... so I wonder what the story is..

Good point... Seller sells vhs tapes and one hell of a rare comic weird 😳..One book to keep ur eye on is Albedo #1 the dull rare cover of only 500 printed. I picked up a copy the other day from a shop in Seattle who had a copy from Steve Galiccia. It has a tiny bit of rust on the staples being from Seattle and the weather from there, but the condition was too nice to pass up regardless of the tiny rust on it. They are too hard to find the first print and for it being a prototype of Usagi a must have 

7 minutes ago, Wolverinex said:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Albedo-Anthropomorphics-2-1st-Appearance-of-Usagi-Yojimbo/114430511892?hash=item1aa4970b14:g:Vl0AAOSwAaFfb7Wv

 

Raw copy just sold recently... surprised it wasn't slabbed.

Wow I seen that price I think on Cover price but didn’t know from what site. That’s a great strong price for a ultra rare book. It’s gotta be 9.0-92. You rarely see this book in raw form and the census is what? Under 180? In the census 🤔

3 hours ago, Wolverinex said:

Yes,  Usagi has cooled off since the announcement so I've been quietly buying more Usagi 1,  Space Usagi 1s and other cheaper keys... once the show appears.... everything will boost significantly

Albedo #1 I seen went for 650 9.8 CGC  I believe on Comiclink  last week so this one is def a book to look for. 

On 29 September 2020 at 11:51 AM, SpideyFein said:

That's about a $1000 decrease from the last 9.2, but still decent for the seller. It's a lowly looking 9.2 as well. I could easily see this book in a 9.0 holder. CGC sometimes grades this book, along with turtles one lighlty. I suppose it's due to the black cover and type of paper used. You never quite know what you're going to get.  

I was just looking at my copy yesterday. I love this book. The cover is so subtle, yet so demonstrative! Usagi can give you so much with just one look. 

Book is gonna be a beast when the Netflix series starts 

On 29 September 2020 at 6:42 PM, david20009 said:

I saw that.  It was a very weak 9.2, at least from a presentation perspective.  There are 8.0s that present better than that book.  I was trying to figure out how it was in a 9.2 case.  I would not have touched it.

That book has no business being a 9.2 waaaay off.. 8.0-8.5 the most.. Whoever graded it must of done it in the dark 

1 hour ago, Wolverinex said:

Really?  How about a 3.0 or so... I wonder if that would be 6k or not.... because I would still rather have an original first print over any 2nd print regardless of grade.

A 3.0 most def would be 6k perhaps more as most first prints are heading into the 5 figure mark most of those low grades are closing into 10k figure. If we see a 4.0-5.0 the odds of them hitting 8-10k will not be out of the ordinary. To get a first print isn’t easy today as the low amount that’s in collectors hands knowingly know to buy back into the market will be a costly one..