Kalel38

5 hours ago, valiantman said:

True, but we've got thousands of collectors paying $200 - $1,000 for the variants of first appearances of characters printed in the past three years (or the past three months) who have done nothing.

Characters like Virus, Knull, Punchline, etc., etc., etc., are as nothing as it gets and there's just as much money combined in the bubbles over those books. 

There are true market manipulations, speculations, and unsustainable hype all over this industry right now for characters with zero history or for issues which have no significance. 

There's a $20,000+ variant of the 667th issue Spider-Man from 2011 that is valued based on literally nothing-at-all. But it's rare, right? Valuable-just-because-its-rare-and-no-other-reason is moronic, there will always be rarer books/cards/coins printed, all the way down to unique books, then they'll put gold on a unique book, then they'll make the whole book out of gold, then they'll dip the gold in platinum and then die cut the cover and place an actual radioactive spider in the center in lucite).  Rare-and-that's-all is the worst reason to buy anything.

TMNT is easily the biggest property in the past 45 years, possibly bigger than EVERY character since Spider-Man (58 years ago), and there will never be more than 3,300 first printings.  There are more than 3,300 copies of Amazing Fantasy #15 already CGC graded.

"Ninja turtles" are better known than Wolverine, and there are more copies of Incredible Hulk #181 already CGC graded 9.4 or higher than ALL of the CGC graded copies of TMNT #1.

TMNT #1 is the "perfect storm" of comic books - known low print, 36 years old, black cover, oversized book, not-sold-in-stores, reprinted immediately, household name, many movies and cartoons and toys, decades of popularity, all starting from one specific comic book.

Would it have been a bad idea to "invest" in Amazing Fantasy #15 in 1998?  It was 36 years old.

Would it have been a bad idea to "invest" in Action Comics #1 in 1974?  It was 36 years old.

Would it have been a bad idea to "invest" in Incredible Hulk #181 in 2010?  it was 36 years old.

TMNT #1 is 36 years old.  Waiting for it to drop?  Good luck.

Knull and Iris the Virus hahahha I love when u see fools who part with their money on those books.. It makes me laugh and if Matrix was here he'd laugh too..😂😂 "Commando" 

5 hours ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

Well Said!  It's a different era, and history is the only teacher. I personally wouldn't buy a tmnt now, but I can't afford it either , and also I feel the limited supply will always be lower than the demand for this particular book but that doesn't always translate to higher prices  

I was too tired last night to get the gist, that and it's been 95 degrees at 8:30pm here in Dallas with a feel like temp of 105, even late at night ha. My air conditioner already broke once this year  ........ long story to say forgive me if I was too sensitive  

Limited supply will always lower the demand? U have that wrong my friend,,if anything a limited supply will always have a stronger demand. Which is why the book is pushing harder then ever before. If supply's were limited and the demand so weak then I guess that 9.8 that sold over 70k was a fluke right... 😳😐

8 hours ago, Subby1938 said:

I’m happy for owners that are seeing big gains it’s awesome and I’m feeling anger with myself  for letting mine go . I def have this on my top ten wants but at these prices I don’t see how I could ever buy again . All lower grade copies are locked up tight. I’m hoping for a miracle now 

This is a incredible book to say the least and I agree majority of the first prints especially the lower to mid and high end grades are locked up in collectors vaults now. This is why when u see a first print hit the market collectors know dam well it's gonna fetch a premium because there not abundant like some Silver age or Bronze Age keys. 

59 minutes ago, LDarkseid1 said:

Yeah I mean comic book movies ain’t going anywhere lol. So we will be flush with Marvel and DC cinematic and tv universes for some time, keeping interest in the comics. As far as TMNT goes and once again, the Seth Rogen revamped animated series is around the corner. When stuff like that happens and if popular, tends to potentially lead to others things as well. Personally, I think a darker, R-rated TMNT movie would be awesome! Something more in line with the original concept/comics as it was more violent. But we’ll see

Comic book movies does to a point drive some books up but not always the limiting factor.. Look at UF4 for example the movie Into the Spider-verse was a great Spider-Man movie very well portrayed characters as Miles to Spider-Gwen. Did that move drive up the prices yes and no but nothing like we have seen this spring.. In 2018 Dec the UF4 9.8 was hovering around 150-200.00 average. I bought a copy for 200.00 a Sig Series 9.8. Did the movie really push it into 400-450 no not even close back then. Then u get a video game announcement and the world goes crazy for Miles and UF4 first prints to the 1:25 variant.. Is this a artificially pumped up? Yes I'm my opionin. Is the book worth 1000 9.8 or 9,000 for a 9.8 variant absolutely not.. Same goes for TMNT books right now they are a different animal. These Turtles have been popular since the 80s I grew up with them in the 80s and seen first hand as a kid the frenzy the toys to the cartoons were doing to establish these Turtles as a solid creation that Kevin and Peter gave us. Prices are going up as did Hulk 181s to GSX-men 1 did and now it's Turtle time. There is no ceiling on a comic and what one is willing to pay. If u have the money and want to buy it the door is always open to what someone is willing to sell a copy for..Not just #1 issues that are going higher it's the 2nd to 3rd/4rth and Raphael #1 that has all shot up recently..and will continue to do so. For how long who knows just enjoy the ride Cowabunga 

12 minutes ago, oakman29 said:

That's right. I paid cover price for mine, and can think of many other things to put my money in.

Like another 9.8 UF4 variant  

4 minutes ago, oakman29 said:

You guys are looking at dollar signs while you're holding your books in hand, but the truth is a spike this fast always goes down. Maybe not back to previous prices, but they will always level off. Dont buy this book now! Let the novices pay these crazy prices, and grab the book when nobody's looking.

All I can say is whoever payed 9,000 for a UF4 9.8 variant is one smart investor lmao 😂.. A fool and his money....

11 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

It's a valid opinion 

I just missed a memo of anyone saying otherwise

The closest I've found is

1st print is sustainable but will level

2nd will level but not come dow to 2 month ago prices

3rd print non sustainable 

U mean 3rd print is also unsustainable. It will level out also eventually. Not yet as 2nd prints are going wild still.. 

11 minutes ago, Charleybrown said:

I’m not putting the book down. It’s a great book but the price spike is not sustainable. That’s all I’m saying and it’s just an opinion.

Supply and demand... when a book isn’t much in supply the demand is greater that’s the law of anything. If u have funds that allowed u to buy a book that’s very hard to obtain but so many want to possess its human nature to want something others desire but can’t due to the funds it takes to achieve it 

And by the way yes.. Tmnt #1 first print is the Action comics or Af 15 of the copper era. You can dispute that til u see a sat night hooker in church on a Sunday morning 

3 minutes ago, Charleybrown said:

Lol I could buy one any day of the week...no one is missing out. I just came to the forum and saw the circle jerk and thought I’d inject some logic. When people start saying tmnt is like AC 1 or det 27 those are I Sam levels of retardation.

Circle of jerks? then I guess ur part of the crowd then.. When a defensive person is putting down a book put they want It seams to me we have a unusual predicament now don’t u 🤔 think 

3 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

Lol just lost my patience not my temper, this is the only thread with productive sales and people generally excited about the hobby. Disappointed in debbie downers, not for casting doubts, but it trough me off kilter, my apologies.....

Patience!

Let’s just say when someone missed the boat when Isac Hays was serving the Bloody Mary’s they get really bitter when we’re all getting hammered and happy while the dock is empty and it says maybe next time 

1 hour ago, Charleybrown said:

Im not buying it as an investment. I have a first print now but would like another nicer copy. I came here to see if anyone was selling any copies and I see everyone saying its going to be the next AF 15 or Action Comics 1 lol. Action Comics 1 is 80yrs old. People were not collecting books back then. Look at how many high graded copies of TMNT there are? I have disposable income to drop on another copy but do i think its a sound investment? Hell No. I could do a lot of other things with 20-50k that would be 100x more financially sound than hold on to a comic for 10yrs. My AMD, Amazon, and Alibaba stock that I bought a few years ago is doing slightly better than TMNT 1! Is it an awesome collectible and an iconic piece of comic book history? hell yes!

If that’s the case why not find a Af 15 4.0 or 5.0 there’s plenty for sale on the net.. 

11 minutes ago, pubmonkey said:

What's with the circle jerk references? is that what is happening here? I may not want to join this party.... my wife would be very disappointed if I did....

Haha.. so ur saying there’s a chance to own a first print high grade and no one is selling “Dynomite”!!!! 😂 

Would I want to sell or trade my 9.4 white mmmm beautiful white pages first print aaaaah no!! Lol 

5 minutes ago, pubmonkey said:

I’m not sure why you had to add what you did about BLM and I resent that you bring that attitude to our forum...

Seems to me someone is not happy with there grade they have and can’t find a higher one and is now shell shocked!! To say the least on someone not willing to sell 👏👏

4 minutes ago, pubmonkey said:

And nobody is saying anything different. The fact is that TMNT, whether or not there is a series today, made the biggest impact on the comic industry than any other comic after and somewhat before. There is no other comic in the last 40 yrs that even comes close. That makes this one hot commodity and people see it as an investment which is normal. Nobody is suggesting to put all their money in this comic instead of AMD or Amazon or Pronhub, that would be naive investing. Diversification is king and adding this to one’s portfolio only adds another revenue stream when it’s time to sell. When I sell mine it will be to fund the addition of another hot tub on my future super yacht...

U got me at pornhub investment  

33 minutes ago, Subby1938 said:

The turtles will not be relevant in 20-30 years . The generations that grew up with them will be old and they won’t matter 

 

don’t ever compare tmnt with Batman , superman or Spiderman as those characters have been touching generation after generation . The turtles have not . As a matter fact nobody gave  about them in late 90s to early 2000s they virtually disappeared and they have not been strong in modern times either with new  movies and other advertising . It’s a hard book to find but very inflated markets right now I’m staying clear of this mess.

Inflated market?? Umm I think I missed the part when I heard “inflated market” on Tmnt #1... When u have over a billion dollar industry that is promoting the Tmnt cartoons to toys to comic books and everything u can market is hardly say it’s a inflated market especially on the very first print or multiple printings.. As to say it won’t be relevant and can’t compare to Batman or Spiderman is a insult to a phenomenon that has been going on since the 80s.. As far as disappeared?? When have they disappeared?? It’s the real collectors who bought the books well before this so called inflation started happening..How’s this one grab u..in 2012 did anyone care about the Xmen1 books to FF 1 books when they were stagnant as a piece of Mold on cheese!! Hell no!!!! I was buying them for 2k for mid grades because they're were no hypes only because of pure love of the characters because no huge company like Disney owned them.. Now when the prospect of a new owner to Marvel takes over the wild ride of collectors wants to get in on the gravy train now. So to sum it up Ninja turtles was far more popular in the 80s/90s then u can imagine. Stats don’t lie...

7 minutes ago, Charleybrown said:

You can care about them. I will as well but people are talking about this book like its going to keep going up and up after going up 100% in a matter of months

Look what hulk 181 did a few years ago it went crazy for months doubling in prices and now stabilised. Every book does but the thing some collectors don't realise is this TMNT 1 first print was extremely low which is like Action comics 1 of our time to,say the least. And any grade that is over 9.0 is scarce. Supply and demand is what prompted this book and will continue to do so as supply's are not enough to keep up with demand which is why the first prints are fetching incredible prices. Next best thing is the second print to 3rd..All tides lift all ships 

1 minute ago, Charleybrown said:

Thats all possible but what makes you think kids growing up today are going to be connected to a comic book that they never read and will want to spend a ton of money to get it? Thats the ten thousand dollar question. i think the answer is they wont. Im just a rich guy buying dumb mess. I dont think this is a good investment at this point. Anyone with brains is selling into this market.

If it's not a good investment Charlie then why did u post looking for a 8.0-9.6 TMNT 1... We all know this TMNT 1 is a grail a white whale and there is a huge following to the Turtles as there is to Spider-Man.. It's like saying who's going to care about Batman in 10-20yrs that's the most absurd thing I would have to say also.. Every collector has a new one behind them and if someone is willing to spend 20-50k for a book today who is to stop someome from spending 100k no one.. Action comics 1 went over and beyond a million over 8yrs ago and who would have thought it would no one. There is no limit when it comes who and how much a collector is willing to spend its all relevant to what a person has and is willing to spend.. So yes the ones who got in early are the lucky ones...

13 minutes ago, Charleybrown said:

All comic books are due for a correction. Not saying in the near term but definitely in the next 5-10yrs. Also, the stock market is on a tear thanks to endless money printing. We shut down the economy and there hasnt been any real pain felt in the streets. To say that theyll never come back down to today's prices..who is going to care about tmnt in 10-20 yrs? 

Who's going to care about the turtles in 10-20yrs?? The ones who,have a first print and the ones who missed out .. Drop the mic....

9 minutes ago, pubmonkey said:

Me for one, my 5 and 7 yr old kids, pretty much all their friends, society in general....

Haha I got 5 kids to feed said the late great Benny from Total Recall... Ah mess I ain't even married.. 😂

10 minutes ago, Charleybrown said:

I was offered a 9.4 for 26k privately. Signed which is not my forte. Id pay 26 for an unsigned.

Yah I don't blame u. I like my issues that are high grades blue labels untouched..yellow I don't mind but not in high grade #1s 

4 minutes ago, Kalel38 said:

Here’s my prediction and my prediction and no one knows the future values only to say they go up with time. Let’s take a look at the first printing past prices which I have shown. Yes would anyone back then a few years ago even 4-5yrs ago say prices would be where they are now? I mentioned to a good friend of mine early this yr a 9.8 don’t be surprised it could hit 90-100k In the next 2-3yrs which closely did that or close enough this year!!!!!! 2020.... Now as far as 2nd prints and 3rd prints yes they are still the first appearance regardless..They are not reprints they are 2/3rd printings. Reprints are books that are altered books From prices to size of the book or altered art work that were done many many years after the fact the book has been well established.. Is ULTIMATE Fallout 4 2/3rd prints reprints? No point being said. The second print has 6,000 printing which to to me says yes a 9.8 will hit 10-20-30k compare to the first print.. 3rd printing will to me hit 5-10k without a doubt regardless it being 24k more in printing. Superman #1 in 1939 had 2 printings that most dont know about, and no there isn’t a difference that can be seen but the first printings sold so quick they printed many many more in the second run. Would that be considered a reprint then.. of course not.. 

9.4 first print selling for 4,125 in 2010 and today prob over 30k 2020.. 10yrs is something u can be shocked at but yet prob not.. Superman 1 1.8 sold for 21,000 in 2012 and yet a 1.8 would get u over 100k today.. 

19 minutes ago, SpideyFein said:

The third printings, although there are only 30K or so, are indeed third printings, which devalues the book from the onset. What I mean is that although there are few compared to SA and BA books, it is a reprint. Looking at comic books and reprints, there are a handful of books where second printings are worth money, nevertheless a third printing. I am not being pessimistic, and as you know I'm a turtle lover from the start, but I don't think a 9.4 third print will go much higher. Could it sell for 13-15, yes, but we are then talking 5X what it sold for just two months ago.  3rd prints were inexpensive from the start, so we have to take that into consideration as well. Were third printings undervalued prior to this craze? Most would say no but some would say yes. To have a third printing go for 1K is still nice if you ask me. I predict we see 9.8 third prints top out at 2.5-3K, and that's being generous. I know that's a bold statement to make, considering we are just starting to see the craze ensue, but these are all just predictions, and we all have our theories on where the books will end up. We all love our turtles, so let the good times ride. 

Here’s my prediction and my prediction and no one knows the future values only to say they go up with time. Let’s take a look at the first printing past prices which I have shown. Yes would anyone back then a few years ago even 4-5yrs ago say prices would be where they are now? I mentioned to a good friend of mine early this yr a 9.8 don’t be surprised it could hit 90-100k In the next 2-3yrs which closely did that or close enough this year!!!!!! 2020.... Now as far as 2nd prints and 3rd prints yes they are still the first appearance regardless..They are not reprints they are 2/3rd printings. Reprints are books that are altered books From prices to size of the book or altered art work that were done many many years after the fact the book has been well established.. Is ULTIMATE Fallout 4 2/3rd prints reprints? No point being said. The second print has 6,000 printing which to to me says yes a 9.8 will hit 10-20-30k compare to the first print.. 3rd printing will to me hit 5-10k without a doubt regardless it being 24k more in printing. Superman #1 in 1939 had 2 printings that most dont know about, and no there isn’t a difference that can be seen but the first printings sold so quick they printed many many more in the second run. Would that be considered a reprint then.. of course not..