Redshade

On 8/25/2022 at 9:10 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204076493114?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=x6qdv2alStO&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=3MQXJMJlSYu&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 

Oh I see why I couldn't find them. I was looking for a "collection" not individual issues, silly me.

On 8/25/2022 at 11:36 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

How about this for a sequence. Redelephantman has an OO collection up on eBay, and I just plotted 16 consecutive issues of T&P stamped My Greatest Adventures as follows:

Do you have a link for this Steve? I would love to have a look at these.

 

 

On 8/25/2022 at 11:45 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

Guys, any of you want to play in Point Five's grading contest?

https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/511833-point-fives-3rd-annual-grading-contest-signup-thread/#comments

It's a nice and easy one, and we can have a laugh seeing how badly we all do. Or well! 

Over ten spots left, I think - deadline approaching!

@Kevin.J @Malacoda @themagicrobot @rakehell @Yorick @Albert Tatlock @Redshade @OtherEric @Garystar

Grading used to be so easy back in the 80s at comic marts. Just knock two whole points off whatever the seller said it was.

Most  " normally worn " comics are easy enough to grade, but in competitions like this I would expect there to be obscure and esoteric flaws that would not normally be seen 99% of the time in the real world, and are included just to to engender debate and argument. So, thanks for the shout Steve but not for me.

On 8/7/2022 at 7:03 PM, themagicrobot said:

@OtherEric

@Malacoda Unlikely I know but odd stamps may have come from other countries that used our currency...Rhodesia?? Jamaica?? Stranger things have happened.

@Get Marwood & I

 

 

Never say "unlikely" in this hobby Malaconda. Your suggestion is as likely as any other, and is probably true. We've seen African (Kenyan) pence stamps on these pages before now.

On 7/24/2022 at 8:21 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

A bit harsh don't you think Steve? The bloke's only trying to join in.

On 7/24/2022 at 1:39 AM, Malacoda said:

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OK, so for proponents of this theory (yourself, Albert & others) .....do you accept Marwood's contention that the system broke down around 64/65 and if so, what's your take on that?  I mean, how is it possible that it broke down if it was an indispensable part of the distribution system and what, if anything, could have replaced it?  And if some easier, more efficient & readily available system existed, why wasn't it put into effect before Ethel stamped literally millions of comics? 

I want to believe. 

 

 

 

You'll have to remind me what Marwood's contention that the system broke down around 64/65 was. Was this when the numbers went haywire? Is that what you are referring to?
Perhaps they found a new method of stock control? As to what that might have been I have no idea. Bar codes? Probably too early for that although perhaps that system - or something similar might have been in use in the freight business before it percolated down to retail in the same way that restaurants etc had microwave ovens a long time before they were available for domestic use?
The comics would still have to be individually price stamped for the benefit of the retailer and customer but which number stamps they used no longer mattered. And then at a later date new price stamps arrived without a reference number on them, just the price and the T&P logo.
 

On 7/22/2022 at 12:12 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

 

Well, I'd forgotten about that particular televisual entertainment. This must be when I first fell in love with Lesley Manville.

On 7/22/2022 at 12:07 PM, Albert Tatlock said:

But wouldn't everyone have got a batch of 6 stamps last time around, and wouldn't everyone receive a batch marked 7 the next time around?

Yup! Exactly.

On 7/22/2022 at 12:07 PM, Albert Tatlock said:

The one the newsagent would have wanted to stay clear of was a bunch of 5s.

On 7/21/2022 at 9:51 AM, themagicrobot said:

 

And still the unsolved question of what use the stamps were to T&P. To keep changing numbers would be a monumental task. Did it help the packing dept? I'm sure the kids buying their Superman family comics couldn't have cared less.

 

 

My view is that the numbers were used to differentiate the batches of comics that T&P received. (I know that I've said this before and I dare say I'll be saying it again).

A newsagent would have preprinted order forms for his daily, weekly and monthly needs. I can imagine him writing the amounts needed for the various publications in a given cycle beside each paper/magazine on his order lists, "50 Daily Blurb, 2 dozen Weekly Blah" etc.

These preprinted order forms would have blank spaces for miscellaneous items, "x dozen mixed US comics" for instance which the newsagent would order with his monthly stock and T&P would supply him with said US comics from their warehouse.

The comics themselves would have arrived "whenever" to the warehouse because of the vagaries of sea freightage, with different titles and different months arriving in a random order.

The order in which the comic titles/dates arrived at the warehouse would be immaterial to T&P as they would be stamped batch "6" for instance.

When the newsagent ordered the next month, T&P would know that last month the newsagents got the "6" stamp comics and so would try to ensure that this month they received the "7" stamp comics so that they did not receive duplicate issues.

 

On 7/18/2022 at 5:58 PM, Albert Tatlock said:

Not necessarily. It could have arrived on schedule, did the rounds at 9d and failed to sell, so T & P obliterated the 9d stamp and sent it out again at 10d. Another indication that retailers got their supplies from T & P on a SOR basis.

 

Not necessarily an SOR scenario Albert. It might 've been a box of 9d stamped books that were mis-placed and rediscovered at a later date in the warehouse/cupboard under the stairs, and restamped at 10d to conform to the then new price.

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On 7/8/2022 at 3:24 AM, MattTheDuck said:

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Thank you for this info, much appreciated.

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I don't like the fact that ebay GSP does not combine postage to the US (I'm in the UK).

Greetings from England. This is my first post here. I know absolutely nothing about about Canadian comics and I am trying to identify these two (which I received in a lot of a couple of dozen 1937/8/9 US funnies comics. Does anyone have any info about these and are they worth anything? Thanks in advance. NB I don't know why they are out of sequence, that is not how I posted them but it should be easy enough to match the fc with the bc.

On 6/11/2022 at 4:19 AM, Malacoda said:

Steve, somewhere in this lot, you say that the numbering system finished around the time of decimalisation, but I think it finished waaaaaay sooner.  I think the numbers disappeared in June/July 1970 and were replaced by just T&P, but I think the system had ceased to be used way before that.  I tracked it back from this point to the start of the third hiatus and the numbering becomes clearly meaningless (or the sequential part of it leaves the equation) from Nov/Dec 1969, because titles just re-use the same number every month.  And before this, as far as I can see, it’s total bloody chaos i.e. both bunching and multi-batching over periods of 6 months and more, which clearly didn’t happen (nobody remembers new copies of the same issue of their comics turning up month after month after month nor 6 months worth of issues all turning up together), so clearly it had nothing to do with the frequency of distribution. 
More tomorrow. 

Including some lovely, lovely tables that you’ll want some time alone with.  

I wonder if this had anything to do with it? The fact that around this time air freight was taking over from sea freight would have helped logistics immensely.

"An important event in the history of air freight occurred in 1945 with the formation of the International Air Transport Association. All-cargo airlines started to emerge, although it was still common for planes to carry a combination of cargo and passengers. Planes now had the capacity to travel further and faster, but the full potential of this for global trade wasn’t realised until decades later.

Fast fact: In 1968 Boeing launched the 747 – the first aircraft wide enough to transport full pallets in its cargo hold. This was a big win for the air cargo industry!

1990s – The boom of the ‘express’ parcel

It wasn’t until the 1990s that the idea of planes with the primary purpose of transporting cargo really gathered pace. This was thanks to the growth of express parcel carriers (such as FedEx, DHL and UPS), and the rise of the internet, which made air freight a much more accessible and reliable prospect for importers and exporters.

Fast fact: Without air freight, the idea of ‘express delivery’ wouldn’t exist. When travelling by sea, shipments from China to the UK can take weeks or even months to arrive. Send the shipment by air, however, and you can cut this down to just a few days".

On 6/11/2022 at 12:16 AM, Albert Tatlock said:

So it T & P did not accept returns, how did the 9d and 10d stamped comics get back into the same spinner racks, months or even years later, with 6d triangular reduced price stamps?

 

Perhaps they dug out old boxes from their warehouse and restamped them?

On 6/10/2022 at 10:53 PM, Albert Tatlock said:

The imported comics were distributed in the UK by T & P, via a number of wholesalers.

The were certainly returnable. My uncle was a newsagent in the 1960s and he told me he returned the unsold ones.

With respect Albert I have to differ with you on this. I am in no way casting  aspersions upon the the integrity or honesty of your uncle and your good self. So please bear with me whilst I make a total **** of myself.

All purchases by a retailer to a wholesaler had to be documented by prior agreement and mentioned in the order forms by title, issue number, dates etc.

The SOR system was highly legislated and rigorously policed with various contractual obligations put on the seller and purchaser. Copies of all the order forms had to be kept for accounting and tax purposes.

There is no way that an ad hoc box of misc comics could comply with the regulations in force at the time. They would have been firm sales (i.e. non returnable).

I do so wish that you could provide us with some of your uncle's order forms and contracts etc. I don't at all mind being proven wrong but I have my own reasons for my assertions.

Some clauses that SOR contracts had to adhere to :

These Sale or Return Terms and Conditions of Sale contain the following sections:

1. Definitions and Interpretation
2. Basis of Sale
3. Orders and Specifications
4. Price
5. Payment
6. Delivery
7. Non-Delivery
8. Inspection / Shortage
9. Risk and Retention of Title
10. Assignment
11. Defective Goods
12. Sale or Return
13. Risk and Retention of Title in Returned Goods
14. Buyer’s Default
15. Limitation of Liability
16. Confidentiality, Publications and Endorsements
17. Notices
18. Force Majeure
19. No Waiver
20. Severance
21. Third Party Rights
22. [Dispute Resolution (Arbitration)]
23. Law and Jurisdiction

So there is my argument Albert. By all means give me a good thrashing if I am wrong.

On 6/10/2022 at 6:15 PM, Malacoda said:

Thanks Redshade. This certainly gels with accounts from a number of other collectors and I don't think I've ever heard anyone tell a story to the contrary.  Additionally, something you see all the time is UK Marvels with a surname or a door number written on the front or back cover - sometimes entire collections of them - but you never see US imported comics with that (unless you count 'this belongs to Benny, so dollop off, Michael'  pretty clearly written by the owner, not the newsagent.  

I can think of no other reason for the identifying stamp numbers other than to differentiate shipments to T&P to thereby try to avoid duplications to their retail customers.
As well as being outside the normal ordering process I assumed that this was why the US comics were non returnable as opposed to the UK stuff being "sale or return".

Pardon my repetition but if I may reiterate an oft told experience of mine.

In the mid 60s we had a standing order with our newsagent. Our daily newspapers, weekly magazines and UK comics arrived without having to be reordered each time.

I can distinctly remember asking our local newsagent (Mr Hartley of Hartley and Sons Newsagents and Tobacconists) why the same method could not be used to have my favourite US comics delivered.

I remember being told that I couldn't order specific titles because he couldn't do so from the wholesaler and that he received an unspecified mixed box each delivery of US comics.

Now, as an adult I can imagine that a newsagents order form would be a pre-printed sheet(s) which he would fill in. X dozen Daily Blurb, Y dozen Women's Monthly etc.

If Mr Hartley wanted to purchase US comics he would, I surmise, tick the box for Z dozen US comics each delivery cycle. (I realise that the newsagent would probably have a standing order for most titles).

So if the order last week/month contained “6 stamped” comics then the wholesaler would the next time pull a box of “7 stamped” comics from the warehouse.

I understand that the comics received by the wholesaler would not, due to the vagaries of shipping schedules from the US to the UK, be totally different but at least it was an attempt by them to ensure that their customers' US box of comics was different each month and not a duplication of previous deliveries.

On 5/25/2022 at 5:53 PM, Redshade said:

Hello.

 

I have these two early Golden Age comics that I believe are Canadian Whites and wonder if anyone has any information about them.

The first is titled King Comics and uses the cover to the US King Comics no 9 without a date on the cover or indicia and with an amended cover.

The back cover is blank as are the interiors of the front and back covers. The strips inside are in full colour.

The second is called Home Comics about which I can find no information whatsoever.The interior of both the front and back covers are blank. The interior

strips are in full colour.

Scans attached.

Thanks. Stephen.

I'm open to offers if anyone would like to purchase these two rare comics.

On 5/28/2022 at 8:00 PM, themagicrobot said:

Yeah I just wanted to re activate this thread. Especially since other changes are happening to put even more people off slabbing comics.

 

For my own part I don't mind clearing up the label, just the basics as outlined above would be fine for me.
As long as everyone has access to graders notes I don't see a problem.
All the onfo could be accessed by a barcode or QR code on the rear label.

On 5/28/2022 at 7:10 PM, themagicrobot said:

So how do you think this would get treated by the CGC "experts". Does size matter? Would it be classed as Amazing Spider-Man 25 despite the artwork being reversed (why??), recoloured AND the title moved??

 

 

Stop teasing the poor souls Robot, they're all American at CGC, the rest of the world doesn't exist.
Why isn't it as obvious to them as it is to us?

Title.           Spider-Man Pocket Book.

Year         1981.
Issue.         17.

Publisher    Marvel UK Ltd. (Part of the Marvel Digest series).

Country.      UK.

And a new line to include source material.

Simple really,

I know we are all repeating ourselves here but no matter how tedious it gets let's keep banging away until someone listens.