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On 5/28/2023 at 3:22 PM, Dr. Balls said:
I was talking about tth2s example he set forth about taking a random job offer (of any job). As for the commission, I agree - it sounds like he doesn't need it or want it, which is something he just needed to keep to himself.
Maybe Tim was talking about a Kitchen Porter's job in his analogy?
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On 5/28/2023 at 3:04 PM, Dr. Balls said:
Anyone with a scrap of ambition or confidence would take the job and show them that they were the best choice despite being picked last. I know it sounds like something from a motivational poster, but that right there is what's wrong with 95% of everyone: taking more time to whine about a perceived slight than taking the initiative and excelling. It's a job. Take it and perform it like a professional.
The artist's already got a job. What was being offered to him was some side-work that, from the sound of it, he doesn't really need . . . or want.
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On 5/28/2023 at 12:35 PM, Funnybooks said:yes...the right side and then the artist side
Well, the OP started this thread with the title, 'How to lose Commission Requests and Alienate People' which kind of suggests to me that he knew he was on shaky ground and was prepared for flak.
I'm on no-one's side . . . I don't know the OP and the identity of the artist is a complete mystery to me.
I think the OP could have been a bit more tactful in his request . . . yeah, artists can be sensitive souls . . . and can only put myself in the artist's shoes. Would I have been thrilled to receive Barney's communication (and the way it was worded)? Probably not.
You have a different take. Good for you. It's all opinion-based . . . and the OP was interested in feedback. He got it, and he can draw his own conclusions.
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On 5/28/2023 at 2:23 AM, Funnybooks said:
here come the artist apologists
No, just trying to look at it from both sides.
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On 5/27/2023 at 2:48 PM, KirbyCollector said:
"But... but.. but... the consignor MADE me price it like that! He twisted my arm real bad, honest!"
Well, if it is consignment art . . . I woulda thought any dealer worth their salt would steer the consigner towards the realms of reasonableness on flip-valuation?
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You hurt his feelings by implying he's a runner-up in the line-up of desired artists for that particular book, so he's not exactly commission-friendly to you. Maybe try some of the other artists who 'got rid'?
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On 5/27/2023 at 3:25 AM, KirbyCollector said:
WTF... another one
Conan 85 page sold March 31 for $5520
Now on Panel Page for $9500
The mark-up in price of close-on $4K is excessive. The competition for that piece, nearly two months ago, fell below the auction price - so I'm struggling to see how the new ask so soon after the original sale can be justified? I get that dealers buy art to re-sell at a profit, and don't have a problem with that, but this is a bit of a jaw-dropper! Just my
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On 5/27/2023 at 10:11 AM, vodou said:
CL does, at least for me.
I take it you simply asked CL the question?
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On 5/27/2023 at 4:51 AM, tth2 said:
BP, whether $29 or 20% if that's more than $29, should be factored into your bid. Don't bid $100 and be "surprised" when you have to pay $129, it's all disclosed upfront.
Instead, if $100 is the amount you're actually willing to pay, then your bid should be $71 and then with the BP the gross amount you'll have to pay, if you win, is $100. For items where the 20% will be relevant, I figure out how much I'm willing to pay and then divide by 1.2 to determine the actual bid amount, which then with the 20% will come out to exactly the amount I'm willing to pay.
Absolutely, do the maths!
Had this scenario on my movie art FB group several years ago when I gave a heads-up to the members of a UK auction house offering-up something like 150 vintage OA movie paintings. One Italian collector was up in arms over the 25% BP and we had this discussion of factoring-in the surcharge into your hammer price bidding to take into account final overall price to stay in budget. Italian guy couldn't quite adopt the mentality, so refused to bid on any offering that included this 'outrageous' BP amount!
I went into the auction with an overall budget in mind . . . factored-in the BP into my live auction bidding . . . and came away with five 'steals', well below what I was expecting to pay (all artworks sold, and many sold for very reasonable amounts). My only regret was that I didn't pursue more art!
After the auction was over, Italian guy started enquiring about sold artworks he'd had his eyes on . . . that he could easily have won if only he swallowed his pride and did the maths! I just replied to one of his posts saying something to the effect of, "Well, if you're now looking for certain artworks re-surfacing, you'll very likely be paying a big mark-up in price over what they sold for . . . that including the dreaded (Shock! Horror!! Gasp!!!") 25% BP."
He still didn't get it . . .
* With apologies to any Italian guys on this forum . . . my Mr. Italian guy is probably a one-off.
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On 5/26/2023 at 3:46 PM, RafaVia said:
HA doesn’t allow to hold stuff and make a pile from several auction to combine shipping???
As Tim has already advised, HA do hold art and will combine shipping to get your multiple wins under one all-in shipping charge . . . but you need to instruct them to place your wins 'on hold' until such time as you give them the green light to release, otherwise they will ship out individually.
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On 5/26/2023 at 12:21 AM, Rick2you2 said:
But sometimes, stuff which has been sitting in a dealer’s pile somewhere gets put up for auction, and the price shoots up.
Very true.
I think collectors get complacent about art sitting unsold on dealers' sites, even if the initial interest might be there, but when the same art reaches auction it becomes make-or-break time for potentially interested buyers - who are then spurred into action.
I had a Ditko cover up for sale over a period of time with no buyers at my asking price. Put it up for auction a few years back and the hammer price exceeded my ask price when I had it up for personal sale.
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On 5/23/2023 at 6:58 PM, rlextherobot said:I've been idly considering tightening the focus of my art collection - I have many pieces I rather like a lot, but wouldn't be heartbroken to let go if it meant getting art I liked more. With that in mind, I had considered putting a few things up for trade and see if anyone had any interest in them. As I'm not very involved in the OA world, I don't really have any idea what the best way to go about that would be. Would love to know from folks here who have done successful trades, and how they approached a) getting fair trade value for their art and b) ensuring the deal was done safely for all parties involved.
Depends what you're looking for and what you're offering up in exchange. I mean, it's no use saying, "I've got a bunch of cool George Baker Sad Sack story pages I'm looking to trade on a one-for-one basis for Steve Ditko ASM art!" . . . that idea would go nowhere fast (extreme example, I know, but it makes a point as some collectors do have unreasonable expectations).
How to go about trading? You could put up a general post, or create a 'For Trade' CAF gallery stating/displaying what you're offering and what you're looking for in return (keeping the balance reasonable) . . . or reach out to collectors (or dealers) who have what you're looking for with a gentle enquiry/proposition. Key to that is, with other collectors, finding out what they're actively collecting . . . and if you can service their needs.
Alternatively, as has been suggested, sell your trade art and use sales money to purchase what you're looking for (if available).
I've been collecting art for 41 years and have quite a lot of successful trades behind me. As such, it's certainly do-able . . . you just need to talk with other collectors/dealers. Most things are possible, if you put in the effort and are realistic in your approach . . .
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On 5/20/2023 at 9:21 PM, Michael Browning said:
What's everyone's thoughts on this edition of CAF Live?
I haven't bothered participating this year. The only art I'd be willing to sell is stuff I've offered before that didn't sell.
There's not actually a lot of art out there that I'm now actively pursuing, so don't feel too inclined to have a look-see . . . though I may check things out later on today (Sunday) just to confirm my suspicion none of my 'wants' are there. Generally, prices seem to be wishful-thinking . . . and not just by the dealers!
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On 5/20/2023 at 10:28 PM, malvin said:
you can always make an offer. I accept offers on my FS pieces (with a note that I don't accept any offers until the end of the day in case there are people paying full price)
Malvin
Yeah, that happened to me on a Magic the Gathering painting I offered at one of the previous events. I had a dealer offer me a price that was actually below what I paid for the art (she was looking to re-sell to one of her clients), so I declined and not long afterwards a collector came along and offered full asking price. Shortly afterwards, the dealer came back wanting to meet my price on the 'sold' art.
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Wally Wood did some (very) explicit porno stuff towards the end of his life, but I wouldn't really consider it *fun* to own such art as I actually consider it quite sad that an artist of his calibre ended-up doing such things . . . and, no, I'm not going to risk a permanent ban from these forums for posting any pictures
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On 5/11/2023 at 10:10 PM, comix4fun said:
Well, it's really for one of the folks directly involved to tell...but as a bystander I can tell you that he's apparently not someone who takes disappointment well while simultaneously not caring how much of a spectacle he makes of himself.
On 5/11/2023 at 10:10 PM, comix4fun said:Well, it's really for one of the folks directly involved to tell...but as a bystander I can tell you that he's apparently not someone who takes disappointment well while simultaneously not caring how much of a spectacle he makes of himself.
(Some) vertically-challenged guys are like that, I guess . . .
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On 5/11/2023 at 9:18 PM, comix4fun said:
I think EVERYONE has their own story.
I think we'd all enjoy Joe Jusko's story from New York Comic Con several years back.Pray tell . . .
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On 5/11/2023 at 7:34 PM, pemart1966 said:
Or vice versa?
Probably as bad as each other though, to the best of my knowledge, Rae is the only shyster I know who killed himself off and came back as a re-animated corpse!
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On 5/11/2023 at 6:00 PM, KirbyCollector said:
Why Keif's CAF gallery titled "CMJ" and the gallery rooms titled as "Bob Kane's?" Is he pretending to represent Bob Kane's estate?
He's a disciple of Richard Rae.
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On 5/11/2023 at 1:13 PM, pemart1966 said:
You've told yours but we still haven't heard Mitch's. We need to hear his.
Yeah, I have two KF stories, which I've told separately over the years!
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There was also a thread, some years back, detailing Keif's shoplifting adventure/s that resulted in a capture . . .
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On 5/10/2023 at 11:19 PM, jjonahjameson11 said:
Who is he?
Keif Fromm . . . not a good guy, IMHO (he would make a snake oil salesman look respectable . . . I have my own Keif story), as I'm sure Mitch will attest.
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How to Lose Commission Requests and Alienate People
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That's a well thought-out response, Garf, and presents a key element missing from Barney's communications (see emboldened text in the above quote extract).
Most creative-types like to have their egos stroked . . . and I'm not seeing any appreciation for the artist's craft in any of Barney's messages to this unidentified artist.
Instead, he says:
"Most artists have gotten rid of their pages"
Rubbish is something you get rid off . . . "released to the marketplace" might have been a better, less harsh, choice of words.
Also, because Barney states he's had no luck in tracking down any published work from the series . . . it suggests to me that the artist in question was down the list of creators to contact who worked on the book (hardly first choice) . . . which is perhaps why the artist became irritated in later communications (everything seemed to be going okay until Barney's "got rid" comment, and things then begin to quickly sour).
Putting myself in the artist's shoes (I'm trying to look at this from both sides), I'd be asking myself:
"Does this guy (Barney) actually like my work . . . he doesn't say so . . . who else has he contacted before me?"
As to the business of artist's materials . . . he sounds like he relies on tried and trusted materials he's used for a long time. Product lines do get discontinued . . . and new (replacement) materials would need to be tested by him to see what works best.
Another thing people here might want to consider is that commissions (those that require time and effort) are usually intended for an audience of one (some commissions do end up as published pieces later on, as was the case with Mike B's Steranko piece . . . but I would imagine these are far and few between?). As an artist, what would you prefer . . . creating work that's seen and enjoyed by thousands . . . or divert your time and effort for the benefit of just one single person? I know where my priorities would lie. Sure, when the work later dries up, commissions can be a good source of income . . . but the mysterious artist sounds like he's very busy with regular work being fed to him.
Been an interesting thread to follow, and it's always good to compare notes with other takes on the subject. I'm sure Barney is a decent guy, and I wish him luck in future commission requests. Hopefully, he will take something useful away from all this.