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The Voord
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On 3/7/2023 at 4:15 PM, babsrocks31 said:
There is info on Butch's instagram.
I was lucky enough to get on the list for this Oracle piece. Butch was a huge part of Birds of Prey.
Your commission will likely also come with fantastic tales of working in the industry, and the turnaround time (for me) was less than two Months.
That's really good . . . I'm not much into commissions but can't fault this one, which is probably as good as it gets. Dave Karlen's a good guy to deal with as Butch's rep.
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On 7/23/2023 at 11:44 PM, Jason2222 said:Can anyone offer a suggestion
of value, round about, and the best place to sell? Thanks so much!
Yeah, stop giving me neck-ache, lol!
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Maybe they just produced a stat cover re-working Toth's 1951 All American Western cover image (cropping the left hand side, slightly, and extending to the bottom and right side)? I haven't done a line-by-line inspection, but at face value they look pretty close.
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On 7/20/2023 at 3:42 PM, Bronty said:
yes it will. it will keep you away from anything claiming to be kane
Probably the best you could hope for is Kane signing another artist's drawings . . . and even then, Kane probably had someone else signing the originals for him!
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On 7/19/2023 at 3:46 AM, tth2 said:
Remember, the best time to ask questions is before you buy something. If you ask afterwards, there's at least a 33% chance that you won't like the answer.
If you're looking to buy a 'Kane' Batman drawing, I doubt if there's much competition, if any!
On the other hand, if you're asking about something likely to carry high interest . . . you may well have put the competition on alert, lol!
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On 7/1/2023 at 1:08 PM, comix4fun said:Oh no, not joking. People have done this for decades. Many in private, some as an actual business model.
worse are the folks that data mine fellow collectors for what they have, want, and have or would pay for pieces then seek to acquire their wants purely to hold for ransom. I’ve seen that over the years too.
Everyone seems to bring their own personal issues to their collecting/business behavior.I remember some years back someone offering a 'finder's fee' regarding art they were pursuing. After giving the collector a gentle heads-up . . . that was the last I heard of my finder's fee, lol! I didn't actually want a 'finder's fee', as I prefer to do do the gentlemanly thing, helping someone else out . . . believing that it works both ways on the (good) karma front. More recently, I helped a fellow-boardie acquire some art from a UK seller who didn't want to ship to the USA. I was offered a fee for my help but declined, as that's not how I work (just wanted my costs covered to the exact amount). Point being . . . no cost should be involved in helping someone out, especially if no cost is involved sharing information.
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Prison bricks . . .
BEHIND THE HIGH WALL .(1956) . . Movie Poster painting by Reynold Brown:
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On 6/27/2023 at 4:25 PM, comix4fun said:
If your stiffener keeps things rigid for more than 4 hours, contact your doctor.
. . . or go into the 'Movie' business?
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Mike Mayhew once sent me an unused Pulse cover of Spidey and the Vulture (later used as an interior pin-up), which he air-mailed to me (I'm in the UK) in an oversized jiffy bag with no stiffener to help keep things rigid. It was an eBay win at a great price. Thankfully, the artwork arrived intact!
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On 6/25/2023 at 5:37 PM, Nexus said:
"What did you pay for it?" instantly tells me all I need to know about who I'm dealing with. I like to answer "One dollar" and let them try to figure out what to do with that information.
Well, yeah, I made a mistake revealing what I originally paid for the cover. I don't usually do that but, here, I thought I was dealing with someone who would use that information as a starting point . . . having the common sense to factor-in price-appreciation into the equation to help pitch an offer (I wasn't looking to gouge . . . just wanted a reasonable/realistic offer and I would very likely have sold). What I wasn't expecting was being offered $500 less than my original purchase price! It wasn't exactly a sale I needed, so no biggie either way. I just thought the cover would be going to a better home (it was supposedly his all-time-favorite comic-book cover!). A serious enquiry from the other guy . . . that resulted in a less-than-serious offer . . . so maybe not-so-serious after all.
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On 6/19/2023 at 3:04 AM, buttock said:
An alternative explanation, which I've seen play out on HA before, is that when they offer several similar pieces staggered in time the first few go highest, then the others sell for less as bidders check their boxes and the pool shrinks.
That's quite possible though I'm not convinced either way and will continue to play it safe by bidding live.
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On 6/18/2023 at 10:45 PM, grapeape said:
When a dealer gets hold of a piece of art and resells It 2x3 (if we're lucky) higher than what was paid, we howl and call them scourge.
When a well meaning collector gives another collector a break on a piece because they've identified it as something personally meaningful, then flips it, are we howling at the shady buyer? Not all of us. Some appear to delight in the naïveté of the sap that bought the song and dance. There's no feelings of disgust for the wolf in sheep's clothing.
Interesting. I'm no sociologist, so I won't offer a certified opinion here. I'll just say interesting.
I always want to be the smartest guy in a deal. Always. That being said, because of the greedy and sometimes psychotic, predatory nature of some folks buying art low and selling sky high, I do my best to bring something else to the table.
I'm no Angel. I do love the camaraderie this hobby can bring though. I value it. So if I can do something that brings a real genuine smile to someone's face, I'll do that.
If I know someone is looking for a long time for art, and I come across it, I point it out. I don't buy it and than seize upon that collector with an ungodly asking price.
If someone truly loves something I have, and I can bring them happiness by letting it go, that brings me more joy than a cold, financial transaction.
I have no problem with any sarcasm, or "you should have known better" comments left here. I really mean that. I like you all.
It's important to me that you have an important takeaway. If we've been disturbed by predatory, greedy behaviors of the usual suspects, well, don't we desire to behave better than that?
I think we might be taking shots at collectors that wanted to do right by a fellow collector. I think some collectors like to feel good for both sides when they make a deal.
YouTube is full of videos where a guy for example buys 5 boxes of silver age comics, or whatever, and than goes to the subscribers with I TOTALLY STOLE/GOT OVER ON THIS RUBE/:SAP. I don't ever want to be that kind of winner.
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A lot of food for thought there, Michael, good post.
Like most here, I would imagine, I've been on both sides . . . made enquiries and received enquiries.
If I'm making an enquiry, I am prepared to put my money where my mouth is. I will state the reason why the art is important to me and if invited to make an offer will make a decent offer at over FMV within reason! There was one time I offered another collector 2 x FMV for a page of art from a series I was trying to put-back together but the owner wanted 10 x FMV . . . which I simply wouldn't meet (as I like to look at myself in the mirror). I'd never go the route of a sob story . . . that just sounds like emotional blackmail. I won't make those kind of pitches and, by the same token, don't want to receive them.
If someone approaches me with an enquiry, I take my cue from the way the pitch is worded. If it's something I want to keep, I'll just say sorry and it's not for sale, end of story. If it's something I might consider releasing, I'll listen. What happens next is up to the other guy once I've advised him to make me a worthwhile offer. As I've been in the same boat, I know that the onus is on me as a potential buyer not to ruin my chances by going the lowball route (which is disrespectful and guaranteed to close-down further discussion).
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There was one time, maybe ten years ago, that I did have a positive outcome from a collector enquiring about an EC cover I owned at the time. No sob story involved . . . just an honest enquiry. It was a cover I was not looking to release, but was well aware of ball-park figures similar covers from the run had been fetching on HA.
I checked up on the other guy's CAF, populated by a lot of high-end art, so knew the approach was both genuine and serious.
Similar covers had been selling in the $55K range . . . which was the kind of tempting amount hinted at in my earlier posts in this thread ("Make me an offer I can't refuse!"). .
After some thought, decided such a grail-like amount of cash would trigger a sale. I got back to the other guy and said, "I'd expect to make at least $55K in auction for this cover, but that would obviously involve HA taking a cut from any such sale. I'll take that into account, and will be prepared to sell at $50K, if you're still interested? It's FMV"
No haggling on price involved . . . he went for it, on something like a six-month payment plan. Later on in the year, the other collector was visiting the UK from the USA . . . and I travelled down to London to meet-up with him and deliver the art in person. We spent a few hours in a nearby pub 'talking art' . . . and I made a very good friend.
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On 6/17/2023 at 2:24 PM, tth2 said:
I would never tell anyone who initiated the conversation what I had paid. That's completely irrelevant to the deal at hand, so the only data point that's relevant is what price is he willing to offer me to get me to part with the piece of art.
I've had people initiate contact with me about buying a piece, and when I replied that I might be willing to sell, some came back to me and asked what did I want for it. I always replied "You contacted me, so it's kind of up to you to make an offer. I'm not going to negotiate against myself." That usually weeds out the game players from the serious buyers pretty quickly.
Yeah, sometimes people catch me off-guard!
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On 6/17/2023 at 1:19 PM, Rick2you2 said:
My thinking: offering the closest things I can find to comp’s, saying what I see as their strengths/weaknesses, and then picking a number. If it is a “grail”, price ought not be a major factor so long as the actual price isn’t nutty or unaffordable. Honest sharing of information seems to make sense. Your thoughts?
My thoughts? I'll always listen . . . as long as the other guy is putting in the effort, realistically, to make any potential sale worth my while. Isn't that fair enough? FMV might be a starting point if comps are available (most things are). As I say, why should I be doing all the running around pricing-up something I'm not looking to sell? The onus is on the other guy. He wants to buy . . . I was not looking to sell.
Basically a 'Godfather' scenario:
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On 6/17/2023 at 12:37 PM, Rick2you2 said:
How would you have responded if he said something like: “l have no idea what it’s worth because I don’t have any comp’s. What do you think is fair, and I will see if I can afford it.” That’s a problem I regularly have. I don’t want to insult someone with too low an offer, but I also don’t want to discover later I was taken for a ride.
Depends on the situation. If I'm looking to sell something, I'll affix a price. If another collector is approaching me wanting to buy something I'm not actually looking to sell, then I won't have a price in mind. That's up to him to do the leg-work, not me. By saying, "Make me a tempting offer" that's as fair as I'll want to be. In the case of Keif Fromm, basically, any art he owns is worth a ton . . . and your stuff is pretty worthless. That's how he works.
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On 6/17/2023 at 5:17 AM, tth2 said:
I think the moral of the story from this thread is that it doesn't matter whether the sob story is genuine or not. No one should sell on the basis of a sob story (true or not).
Either you want to sell at a certain price or you don't. If someone tries to talk you down to a lower price by using a sob story, then tell them "Sorry about that, but the price is the price".
Absolutely!
We (usually) collect art that has some kind of personal connection or meaning to us . . . the reason why the art is in our collections in the first place! Who's to say that sob-story-guy's needs are greater than yours? I will sometimes sell art in response to an enquiry . . . but only if it's something that falls below 'keeper' status . . . and only if the price is tempting enough. I never sell art at a loss, so won't entertain the idea of discounts based on a sob story that will put me out of pocket on original expenditure, coupled with a rise in inflation (and current FMV). Sob stories I take with a pinch of salt (in most cases, you simply don't know if the other guy is being genuine).
In a similar sort of vein, a long time ago I was having a sell-off of artwork on CAF to help fund paying off my mortgage. I had one deep-pocketed collector enquire after one piece that had some kind of 'religious connection' to him . . . and would I please sell to him at a discount because of this connection? This was on the first day of my sales, and an early enquiry, so I just said, "No, that's the amount I want, and it's far too early to see if there's any wiggle-room on price." Not long afterwards, another collector came along offering full asking price and I made the sale. After I'd marked-up the art as 'Sold', deep-pocketed religious-connection guy came back to me saying something like, "I thought I had first dibs on this art and we were still in discussions . . . why have you sold this to someone else???" I just said, "Well, I told you my asking price was firm, you didn't want to meet it, so what else was there to discuss?"
Another guy once told me that a cover I owned was his all-time-favorite comic-book cover . . . and if I ever decided to sell would I give him first refusal? Some years passed, and I decided the time was right for me to consider releasing the art. I contacted the other collector advising this and invited him to make me an offer. The e-mail exchange went something like this:
OTHER COLLECTOR: "I'm not sure what to offer . . . what did you pay for the cover?"
ME; "Well, I got this cheap at, I think, $2,500."
OTHER COLLECTOR: "I could probably stretch to $2,000?"
ME: "My original expenditure of $2,500 was about ten years ago . . . prices on these things have now shot up in value".
OTHER COLLECTOR: "So you won't sell to me at my offer, even though you know it's my favorite cover???".
ME: "No, I'd be out of pocket and I don't sell art at a loss".
. . . and that killed exploratory discussions stone cold dead!
Then there was a Keif Fromm story (I've got a few of those!). He expressed interest in wanting to buy a 1966 Steve Ditko cover I possessed at the time. I replied saying, "I'm not actually looking to sell this art but will listen to any tempting offer you may want to make?" Keif got back to me saying something like, "You know this cover's not really worth that much, don't you?" . . . no doubt to pave the way for a low-ball offer . . . at which point I stopped responding to him.
how do you know/convince yourself it's time to sell....and then how do you decide how to sell?
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You've probably answered your own question.
Just because you like (or love) the character, it doesn't mean that you should automatically be a fan of every SS drawing ever produced . . . though it does sound as though you've been 'bulk-buying' most SS art floated your way, because your OA collecting habits have been character-driven. I can see where you're coming from but, if it was me, I'd just concentrate on the stuff that connects emotionally and aesthetically. I mean, I'm a huge Ditko ASM fan (and, to a slightly lesser extent, JR, Snr. working on the title). Outside those two artists, I have little or no in interest in most artists who followed.
If I were you, I'd place all the SS art in front of me and start weeding out those examples I don't really feel passionate about . . . and distill a collection of the best examples I couldn't do without. Sometimes Less is More.
There are a range of auction houses you could go with . . . or you could always try being your own seller.