Dr.Fate'sFullHelmet

9 hours ago, Bomber-Bob said:

If the book was encapsulated with an inner well, there is no evidence I ever saw where the encapsulation process caused waviness. The first incarnation of the new slab did not have an inner well and used pressure to hold the book in place. The pressure caused the waviness.

I have no strong desire to absolve the encapsulation service, why would I care ? I'm not accusing you of anything but possibly reaching the wrong conclusion on what happened. If, as you say, you are simply trying to get a handle on what happened, why are you being so defensive ? You came here asking. Others, including myself, said you may be wrong.  You were seeking validation of your hypothesis, you did not get it. Sorry.

 

You have taken a somewhat confrontational tone in this discussion, evinced by this claim that I was seeking validation rather than input from others who may have had similar experiences.  I am not being defensive, but if anyone has a viewpoint different than yours, evidently that is your conclusion.  The fact that you or I have seen, or have not seen, any particular anomaly does not in itself constitute evidence or disproval.  You seem to have concluded that a comic book not encapsulated in CGC's "no-well" design cannot have developed waviness associated with the slab.  I maintain that, until we have evidence that something else caused said waviness, the POSSIBILITY still does exist that the waviness was caused by (and please try to visualize what I'm referring to) a too-narrow well, in other words, a well that, over a certain period of time more or less "scrunched" the book on the sides resulting in the waviness.

If a book is placed in a well that does not allow absolutely ANY space, simple atmospheric conditions, if nothing else, might cause the paper to expand just a tad and lead to waviness.  If the (comparatively) widest part of the book is the front or back cover, that is where the pressure from the sides would result in the anomaly.

I'm just acknowledging the possibility.  Sorry.

9 hours ago, Bomber-Bob said:

I've had pressed books deteriorate in the slab. Paper has a memory and pressed creases and such can 'come back'. I think too much humidity was applied to your book by the presser and after the initial effects of the press wore off the waviness occurred. That is a much more logical conclusion then the encapsulation caused it. Sorry, I know how irritating it is when stuff like this happens. You want to blame somebody and it's easier to blame CGC than the presser. Also, remember, there is a lot of humidity down there in Sarasota. 

Because you say it is a more logical conclusion does not make it so.  I haven't seen much evidence, if any, that "pressed out waviness" comes back.  There is a lot of evidence of books in slabs developing waviness in the slab.  Sorry, I know how irritating it is when someone has a strong desire to absolve the encapsulation service for some reason apart from evidence.  No need to accuse me of some subjective desire to place blame somewhere.  I'm merely trying to get a handle on what happened in an effort to correct it.

12 hours ago, mschmidt said:

Why would you get the book back after it was pressed, but before it was submitted to CGC? Pretty much all pressing services out there press the books & them submit them directly - the customer doesn't get their book back until it's in a slab.

Because some pressing services do not offer direct submissions to CGC.

What concerns me is the bad "costumer" service...evidently he's also disappointed with the costumes they've provided him.

Would be kind of fun to read the grader's notes on that one, though...

10 hours ago, FN-2199 said:

The book looks OK but the inner well has me concerned. I also have another slab like this.

 

Have those re-slabbed ASAP.  CGC brought back the well for a good reason.

"A small number of holders, however, were found to display a slight wavy appearance. In no instances did this slightly wavy appearance cause or reflect any damage to a book. Nonetheless, some collectors and dealers were understandably concerned."

However, there have been many examples where the books within this particular type of holder (used April-June 2016) did develop waviness, so why take a chance?

9 hours ago, Bomber-Bob said:

I really think that is what's going on here. Why does CGC and/or their holder always get the blame ? If you look in to a mirror and don't like what you see, do you blame the mirror ?  

Because it's extremely unlikely that someone would get a book pressed, get it back in an unpressed-looking condition and then send it in for certification.  Keep in mind, this book (mine, I mean) was certified only last November.  That would mean that someone either A. had the book pressed, the pressing was lousy and didn't fix the problem, and then they sent it in to CGC for certification AND CGC didn't mention anything about it in the Grader's notes, or B. they had the book pressed, sent it in for certification and in the short interim time somehow the waviness "came back" which is something I've never heard of after a pressing.

No, the only reasonable conclusion for my book's waviness is something to do with the encapsulation.

On ‎4‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 8:58 PM, bc said:

Staying on the Amazing Adventures theme .... Manoo !

-bc

"Earthlings!  I've found them at last!...hmm...guess it's not really that great an accomplishment, seeing that my spaceship is less than 100 yards away from a large school, and it's taken me this long to find it.  And I have to take issue with the arrow's contention that I've been "hiding" if during this time I've actually been searching for them...and then there's that thing about being hostile, I mean, I may be incompetent, but..."

34 minutes ago, Readcomix said:

Xemnu

Gesundheit.

22 hours ago, lizards2 said:

It's part of the reason why Kent figured he had to cut me in half...

Just now, 01TheDude said:

spoiler alert! 

Appropriate, especially considering Atlas/Marvel's love affair with the trick ending.

4 hours ago, Ken Aldred said:

It probably got Tim beat up a lot at school, and that’s why he ends up such an overcompensating, world-dominating tyrant.

And the saddest part is that ultimately he was wiped out by a drop of water.

14 hours ago, mschmidt said:

The book could also suffer from a bad press.

That's what I said about my reputation...

1 hour ago, tv horror said:

We're too late! we brought Baa-loon back to life. Well if the characters on the covers can name the creatures why not?  

"Uh, sorry, I know you're a busy monster, but if I could just get your name before you begin your rampage..."

I believe World of Fantasy #18 qualifies as the first actual Silly Monster issue...unless Hourman fought GRRGGROGG back in the forties...

58 minutes ago, mschmidt said:

That's the previous generation holder - looks like there's plenty of space around the book ...

It's kind of hard to tell, although if there are vertical waves it would follow that they are probably caused by the book being squeezed on the sides.

11 hours ago, Paddy_McShillihan said:

the inner well did seem tight  in there ... yea I did same thing .. put please fix waves on reholder sub form Attn : customer service - 

it came back looking a bit better but I could still find the waves slightly when I looked 

took about 2 weeks 

Keep your receipt from shipping - you'll get that back too 

Thanks Paddy I'll certainly give it a shot.

Also, the following pics show, I believe, what CGC's method was, and perhaps still is, when a particular book doesn't fit properly into a well (maybe the books are between well sizes so they use this "spacer").  They are used both on the spine side and at the bottom...

58 minutes ago, feder241 said:

It's hard to tell. Here are some pics:

 

Sure looks a lot like mine although my waves are narrower.

I can't imagine anything else causing this besides the books being squeezed into wells that aren't large enough.

3 hours ago, bc said:

Some Shagg for ya :

-bc

Austin Powers vs. Shagg...

2 minutes ago, Paddy_McShillihan said:

Only had the one bad wavy book thus far .. it was pressed 

I couldn't tell from your scans if your book seems to be squeezed into its slab.  Does the well seem too narrow for your book also? 

I got a response from CGC and they told me to send my book back to them and write on the Re-Holder Submission Form "Back Cover Waves".  Now, what they didn't say is that this is a mistake that they are correcting.  Right at the moment I'm actually not sure whether they are treating this as addressing a problem caused by a too-small well, or are they just basically saying "the guy's not happy with his slab so tell him to send it in and get it re-slabbed".  Problem is, if it's the latter they may very well put the book into a slab with the exact same size well and the squeezing problem is not resolved.

3 minutes ago, Paddy_McShillihan said:

Oh ok ...so you never pressed it 

Correct.  In your experience, have pressed books sometimes developed this problem?

Just now, Paddy_McShillihan said:

Was this book pressed ? 

Hi Paddy, I'm not sure how I would know if it was.  CGC slabs do not (evidently) disclose if books encased in them have been pressed, and I've only had the book for a few weeks.  The grader's notes also don't mention it.

15 hours ago, feder241 said:

I recently received a book that was submitted for pressing also that came back with waves in the slab that absolutely did not have waves prior to submitting. Will try to post pics later. It was for a magazine sized comic.

If it was recent then I assume the slab is the current with-well type.  If I may ask, does there seem to be adequate space in the well for the book, or does it seem like (as is the case with mine) the well is just too narrow and the book may be being squeezed?

13 hours ago, F For Fake said:

Agreed. I won't hear a word against Tim Boo Bah!

Except in K.A.'s case I don't think he quite caught the gist...

Finally got a better camera, hope these show up "well" enough...

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