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Von Cichlid
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56 minutes ago, William-James88 said:
Oh man, Miller's DD has been going DOWN. Even the biggest key:
It's not like all collectors have infinite amount of money. If something else is hot, they will just gravitate towards something else, selling off what is not hot and so some books will go down while others go up. I would be very curious to see how well Ultimate Fallout 4 does in 20 years from now.
When it comes to first appearances, you still have to rely on scarcity and demand. Because saying a blanket statement that you can't go wrong with first appearance will leave you like this.
Sold May 2016:
Sold July 2020:
And I wont leave the OP hanging, if you want to get a headache, check the fluctuating prices on the 3 books battling to be the main book to own for Kamala Khan.
Man, an Iron Fist 14 9.6 would pull more than that Marvel Premiere 15 these days.
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13 hours ago, Wolverinex said:
Yes, this is why I think x 94 is so undervalued... the Claremont run was legendary. Just a superb story if you crack the slab and actually read the book.
Like many people probably, I experienced that from Classic X-Men 2. My 11 year old brain soaked up every bit of it. I haven't looked at it in years and i still remember Thunderbird burning his leg in the Danger Room and the "press me" gadget that made Nefaria's bad guys appear. Wolverine and Iceman getting into the fight at the beginning. There was no way I could afford a real copy at the time, but those Classic X-Men were like owning a time machine back in the day. I read that series more than any other for sure.
I do own a raw 94 now, but there is no way I am taking it out and reading it. I just look at it in its Mylite and I try to imagine how thrilled that 11 year version of me would be if he could own what I own now.
There was a lot of great times to read comics, but I still feel blessed to have gotten into them the first time in that late 80's early 90's time frame. There were no less that 15 different titles easy that I loved being able to grab each month.
ASM, Web, Spectacular, DD, Punisher, PWJ, X-Men, Classic X-Men, Wolverine, X-Factor was decent at times, Liefield New Mutants was the new thing, Lim Silver Surfer and Captain America was cool (always loved Streets of Poison). Marvel Tales was cool. Marvel Comics Presents had its moments. FF and Avengers may have been lame then, but otherwise there was just so much that Marvel was doing right before that exodus to Image. Detective and Batman wasn't too shabby either from that period.
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1 hour ago, thunsicker said:
And this is precisely why I wince when people say you can’t go wrong by buying the keys and holding them. In my time collecting it’s been you can’t go wrong buying early SA Marvels and holding them to you can’t go wrong buying Barks ducks and holding them to you can’t go wrong buying Miller Daredevil/New X-Men/New Teen Titans and holding them to you cant go wrong buying independents and holding them to you can’t go wrong buying punisher and wolverine issues and holding them to you can’t go wrong buying Dark Knight and Watchmen and holding them to you can’t go wrong buying foil covers and new #1’s and holding them to you can’t go wrong buying first appearances and holding them. Somehow every time people are sure that the latest collecting focus is the only obvious one that will be profitable going forward.
I think that is mostly true, but you are still safer in buying stuff that had value due to actually being loved versus pure speculation value.
Miller Daredevil, early Claremont X-men, and other classic art/storyline issues have gone up and down over the years, but they had genuine objective realized value at points due to people really wanting them in their collection. It stands to reason they may become valuable again, or will retain some of what they had.
Now, the gimmick stuff from past '93 that was pure speculation like Turok 1, all the foil die cut stuff, etc never had real value. It was speculated on, bombed, and that was that. No one ever loved it.
That is what primarily steers me away from buying moderns. Yeah some of the variant covers do look nice, but I think most are purchased by those who are too old to ever fall in love with it like they would able to as a kid. It is for that reason that I think the older material still has much more staying power.
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1 hour ago, catman76 said:
What does it matter what they call it? Grading is BS anyway, made up and way too subjective. Everyone posts photos, look and decide for yourself. Besides all they are saying is that its in great condition when they say "unread". It's like saying a record looks "unplayed", it just means it's in really great condition.
That is kind of my take on it. I think it is a compact way of saying "No fingerprints or things that otherwise would not show up on picture scans."
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3 hours ago, Gatsby77 said:
This one too.
As a collector in the 1990s, 108 (first Byrne) was *the* key book of the early 100s. Nobody cared about the Starjammers and every time I looked at the cover of 107 I wished it were 108 (the far more key and expensive issue).
But now it seems the hobby's literally "first appearance or bust" - artist books or key storylines don't matter nearly as much.
I collected the first time in the late 80's to mid 90's and I was shocked at how things had changed when I got back into the hobby around 5 years ago. I had kept my old collection (thankfully) but I was surprised to see which issues wound up being valuable and which ones I thought were still valuable but where not near what I thought they would be.
The losers from my old collection were generally issues from that era who were prized at the time for art or story lines.
X-Men has a ton like mutant massacre (maybe not 212 it is still a first), X-tinction agenda, 248, 162, 205, etc. These issues used to have a significant premium on them and now they are roughly the same as filler/run issues. Run issues from the Byrne/Claremont era strill had value, but they had stagnated relative to growth in other areas. Really, anything that was hot due to Wolverine alone had stagnated. This goes for Captain America annual 8, Spider-Man vs Wolverine, etc.
The Punisher stuff was hit pretty bad as well. There is some great stuff in the limited series, the earlier regular series, and earlier PWJ. The lack of first appearances though has really forced that material off of people's radar.
It was also disappointing to see that the Miller DD stuff outside 168 was stagnant.
I did have some winners though:
Marvel Winter Special 8 (this was pure drek at the time), multiple X-Men 221's, DD 256, multiple 98's.
Hulk 340 did really well over that span too. It seems that pre-Spider-Man #1 McFarlane material is the only material from back in the day to still be valuable based on art alone.
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The real interesting thing is that seemingly none of us care about the health of our skin (the intention of the article), but are obsessed about how the boldness of the colors on our favorite books are going to hold up.
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I remember when I was a kid it being a big deal when Wolverine 10 was going for more than Wolverine 1.
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25 minutes ago, gadzukes said:
I can't take my eyes away from this video.
What the Hell kind of fish is that? Is that a catfish?
I think it is a small sturgeon.
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17 hours ago, Chuck Gower said:
Dave Stevens
Mike Grell
Jim Valentino
Marc Silvestri
Ron Lim
Frank Brunner
Jim Aparo
I'm not cheating by doing research these are just best guesses off the top of my head-
Valentino- Guardians of the Galaxy 1
Silvestri- X-Men 221
Ron Lim- Silver Surfer 44
Man, these late copper age artists, as good as many of them were, are kind of sparse when it comes to keys. Still, it's when I collected the first time, so it is still by far my favorite era of comics. At Marvel in the late 80's and until about 91 the possibilities were just endless. That exodus to Image, to me, was the largest nail in the coffin to the classic, or "innocent" era of comics. THat's a conversation for another thread, though.
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13 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said:
Hmm you are right, they are similar.
I feel very fortunate as I got all five issues this year for $2 a pop in back issue bins at a local collectibles store. What does the bleed through loom like? I checked my copy of issue 3 and it seems flawless aside from a spine tick or two.
That's a good score. About a year ago I picked up the last 20 issues of HoM with the I, Vampire Kaluta covers for about a buck apiece from a 2nd and Charles used book store that had just opened up in my area. They were pretty much untouched. While those aren't quite as fantastic as the early 70's Kaluta covers, they are still very cool.
Here's a good example of the "bleed through" I was talking about on #3. You can see it right on her forehead.
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29 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said:
Yeah Kaluta books are reasonable and great. Love the few Batman issues he did, and love his House of Mystery stuff. My all time favourite covers though were for Doorway To Nightmare, especially issue 3 I think.
I just bought a set of 1-3 in VF condition for 30 bucks off the bay a couple of months ago. #3 is great but there are lot of copies that have the red "bleed through" on that blue cover, kind of like Submariner 5. I need a nice Doorway #5 but that one isn't as common as the others.
I see a huge similarity between the first issue of Doorway and the cover to Classic X-Men #3. As innovative as Art Adams was, I think what Kaluta was doing in the 70's had a huge influence on the earlier Adams stuff.
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On 4/14/2020 at 12:20 PM, vheflin said:
That's like my wife every time I get something in the mail.
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20 minutes ago, comicginger1789 said:
How about Michael Kaluta? Love his covers and art but does he have a mega key or super valuable book? If he does it’s escaping me at the moment...
I feel the same way- his House of Mystery's from the early 70's to the mid-80's are my favorites. He was just perfect for those. I liked his work better than Wrightson's and Adams' on those, overall. Actually, you take away HOS 92, and what does Wrightson have as a mega key?
It's actually a good thing really, in that if you are primarily a fan of art over 1st appearances, then you can get a lot of the fantastic Kaluta and Wrightson stuff at a reasonable price in fairly nice condition.
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Here's an interesting one: JIm Lee
I may just be going blank, but i can't think of anything even over 50 bucks raw that he has worked on.
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5 minutes ago, PopKulture said:
This one is trickly:
Gene Colan?
ToD 10?
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27 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said:
Something in Xmen
What about Andy Kubert?
The Byrne one I had in mind had an X-Men villain in it...
For Kubert has to be X-Men 266.
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1 minute ago, Hollywood1892 said:
He did Nick Fury books
I would say a nice high grade X-Men 50 for Steranko.
- Hollywood1892 and kav
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It's funny that the thread started with George Perez. I was just thinking the other day that it's weird that such a prolific artist would have New Teen Titans 2 and maybe Avengers 196 9.8 as his MVC's.
What about John Byrne? I have a book in mind on this one.
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4 hours ago, Ken Aldred said:
I tried to re-read this last year. Nice, early Arthur Adams artwork, but the dialogue is terrible.
As much as I love (early) Adams artwork, the only story I really liked where he did the interior was the Asgardian Wars. Everything else was always Mojo and X-Babies it seemed, which I was never really that much of a fan of other than Spiral.
I need to try and read Web of Spider-Man annual 2 again. Maybe it was good, but I can't remember what happened in that one.
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1 hour ago, AcesN8s said:
Nice to see Falcon get a mini series as a Cap fan. But I'll go with Wolverine 1-4
That Falcon mini had some great Paul Smith artwork too, same era as his awesome run on X-Men.
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For me it's a tie between the Punisher and Wolverine mini-series for sure. Both proved that each character could easily carry not only one but multiple ongoing titles, MCP serving as a defacto 2nd title for Wolverine.
2nd place pretty clearly has to be Secret Wars.
In 4th place I got a tie between Longshot (really for the art alone) and Kitty Pride and Wolverine (underrated IMO).
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Apparently this was a part of massive organized raid that took place all across downtown Chicago last night. Absolutely nothing about it on the previous three links. You would have to live in the city or read this message board to have heard about it.