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On 4/12/2023 at 9:52 PM, media_junkie said:

Three months?  Wasn't this film originally set for summer 2022?  This is like the 4th or 5th time it has been pushed.

All the MCU movies have been pushed back a few times, partly because of the pandemic lockdowns. This last move however is a singular one and does seem to be a reaction move that’s part of the quality over quantity policy Marvel Studios is adapting. 

On 4/12/2023 at 9:37 PM, sfcityduck said:

Owlman/Nite Owl - I knew what you were saying.  

The original treatment of Watchmen written by Moore used the actual Charlton characters.  Giordano made him change it.  Moore went with it because he felt it gave him a little more artistic license.  But the characters are all clearly the Charlton heroes.  

Here's a description of Charlton's Thunderbolt and it is clearly Ozymandias:

Peter Cannon, orphaned son of an American medical team, was raised in a Himalayan lamasery, where his parents had sacrificed their lives combating the dreaded Black Plague! After attaining the highest degree of mental and physical perfection, he was entrusted with the knowledge of the ancient scrolls that bore the secret writings of past generations of wise men! From them he learned concentration, mind over matter, the art of activating and then harnessing the unused portions of the brain, that made seemingly fantastic feats possible! Then he returned to America with his faithful friend, Tabu, and sought out a new life, in a new land.

I get the Forest of Solitude reference, and I suspect that is some of the additional artistic license that made Moore accept not using the original Charlton heroes (remember he'd already done Miracleman/Marvelman) but I don't think you are using the term "parody" correctly.  Mad does parody.  This is a parody:

Satire then? I see Watchmen as an amalgam of things: satire, parody, artistic commentary, literature, entertainment. One thing it’s not is a superhero adventure for adventure’s sake.

I’m not that familiar with Watchmen’s precise origins, so it seems you’re right that some Charlton heroes were a starting point. After quick research, the Minutemen Nite Owl is based on Blue Beetle and the Watchmen Nite Owl is based on Batman. While Ozymandias may have started from Thunderbolt, I say he creatively evolved to be this world’s version of Superman, but from a Friedrich Nietzche sense, an Ubermensch. That’s how he’s always been to me anyway.

Its been a few many years since I’ve read Watchmen. .I should pick it up again.

Brie looks great. New costume looks great. Who needs VFX?

On 4/12/2023 at 8:57 PM, sfcityduck said:

Interesting take.  I never saw it as parody.  I saw it as deconstruction and critical commentary on superhero comics.

I thought it was very established that Watchmen was based on Charlton hero -  Owlman was intended to be Blue Beetle, Rorsach = the Question, Dr. Manhattan = Dr. Solar, Ozymandia = Thunderbolt,  etc.  

Did I say Owlman? I meant Nite Owl. No, the modern Nite Owl is a parody of Batman. Ozymandius is a parody of Superman, even has his own parody Fortress of Solitude. Kinda like what if Superman had no morals?

When I say “parody “ that could also be a deconstruction and critical commentary of comics.

Collection of trailer reactions can’t be complete without one from guy in basement. Also Dmcjediman might be my new hero.

On 4/12/2023 at 8:29 PM, JC25427N said:

You have faith that they will? This seems like the same level of VFX that they deemed acceptable for the past few entries

Do you think the “quality over quantity” statement and postponing the film three months is some kind of bluff by Iger and Feige? 

On 4/12/2023 at 8:29 PM, media_junkie said:

If you are putting out a teaser, you'd think they would at least put out parts that have finished VFX.  While it is called a teaser this very well could make people decide to give it a chance or not.  spoon VFX on the very first view of the movie doesn't instill confidence.

I think all parties have decided whether or not they’re going to see the movie or not already and are entrenched in their camps. VFX be darned, just show me the teaser already and they did and I’m freakin elated.

On 4/12/2023 at 7:35 PM, drotto said:

The "Moon" scene, the costumes, and that hallway, also look like a BBC level production (not saying some of those shows are not great).

Well it’s a darn good thing Marvel has like SIX MONTHS to make the VFX better.

On 4/12/2023 at 2:00 PM, Axelrod said:

Wrong thread, but as people are talking about it, I am always surprised when people complain about Watchmen being a poor adaptation of the source material.  

It's one thing to not like the story, I'm not going to argue about personal preferences in that regard.  But a poor adaptation?  Snyder was clearly trying to be as faithful to the source material as he possibly could with that movie.  The look was impeccable (baring Matthew Goode/Ozymandias casting, which I always felt wasn't quite right).  And considering the amount of story he had to tell, it was impressive just how much of it he got in there.  

On topic:  Brie Larson is hot.  This is not debatable.  

I acknowledge Dave Gibbons gave the movie a thumbs up, and that it looked like Watchmen and followed the comic book’s plot. However for me, it missed for me the most important aspect of the work, that besides being a dark reflection of 20th century American history, that this comic book was also a metaphor…of the comic book. Watchmen was a serious parody. Owlman and Ozymandius were Batman and Superman. For me, a proper Watchmen movie or show should somehow capture that. For me, Snyder’s movie didn’t do that. But I think the HBO series did, as it focuses on race relations in America’s past and present and also exists as a dark reflection of the dominant comic book movie culture of the 2010’s. So the HBO series is my cinematic Watchmen.

On 4/12/2023 at 12:20 PM, Bosco685 said:

So you are implying Zack Snyder is not intelligent and therefore why you don't appreciate BVS? Gotcha.

Here’s my deal with Zack Snyder and it has nothing to do with the DCEU, I thought BvS was fine ( though I don’t like MOS).

I really liked 300. I think he was the perfect filmmaker for it at the time. When I heard he was getting Watchmen, I got a little worried.  And when I saw the movie, I felt I had a right to be worried. Snyder turned one of the most intelligent artful comics stories ever created into a dumb action movie. Even though Alan Moore has always been against adaptations of his work, I always felt it could be done and I thought Snyder ruined that forever until I saw the HBO series.

On 4/12/2023 at 12:20 PM, Bosco685 said:

So you are implying Zack Snyder is not intelligent and therefore why you don't appreciate BVS? Gotcha.

I didn’t mean to call the guy unintelligent, it just came out. I redacted it. He’s smart enough to be a successful blockbuster filmmaker 

On 4/12/2023 at 11:38 AM, Dr. Balls said:

That's too bad - I thought her performance was nailed. Carol Danvers in the newer Marvel comic stuff she has a dry demeanor, which I'm sure Kelly Sue DeConnick wrote it for a specific reason (I'm not going to guess why). To me, the movie captured that, and personally, I think that blurb is a testament to how certain MCU-exclusive nerds missed the nuances of her character.

This is just about the trailer. Carol smiled, laughed, got angry, and cried throughout the actual Captain Marvel movie. Attackers just stuck with the Brie doesn’t smile or show emotion thing.

On 4/12/2023 at 11:29 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

In BvS, when Bruce Wayne tells Clark Kent, "don't believe everything you hear, son", it was a nod to the fact that Batman knows Superman needs a new, living father figure.

And that’s why you shouldn’t trust Zack Snyder with cinematic metaphors. (see: the two Marthas)

On 4/12/2023 at 11:28 AM, Dr. Balls said:

At first, I was a bit bummed out at having three Captain/Ms Marvels - I really want another Captain Marvel movie with just her. I have always loved the character and Brie Larsen was a great fit, and thought the first movie was a great representation for the modern Carol Danvers character. I watched the trailer and thought "man, this looks super fun". I am really excited for this flick, and is it me, or did Brie Larsen get hotter between movies?

It’s not just you. She looks a little hotter. 

On 4/12/2023 at 11:17 AM, Cat said:

Can you grab me a glass of Coke No Sugar while you're reaching that far, please? 

On 4/12/2023 at 11:22 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

I think he's just making that up via projection. People rolled their eyes at the "HERO" bit, but didn't hear anyone complain about a lack of smiles in a trailer.

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2018/9/23/17892512/captain-marvel-brie-larson-smile-iron-man-doctor-strange-captain-america-poster-instagram

On 4/12/2023 at 11:09 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

It would be like me saying, "Superman tearing off half of Batman's mask showed that he was representing Two-Face as a villain". Wtf?

In The Dark Knight Returns graphic novel by Frank Miller, Bruce tells Harvey Dent when he looks at him he sees “a reflection.” This duality aspect of Batman, a theme previously exclusive to Two-Face, was explored further in Tim Burton’s Batman films.

On 4/12/2023 at 10:00 AM, JC25427N said:

This seems like the same kind of "forcing yourself to see a pattern" over analysis that made people think the title "Age of Ultron" had to do with a theme revolving around the actual age of Ultron and/or Vision when in an interview it was revealed that it was really just picked from a number of "Of Ultron" name candidates because they thought it sounded cool. 

Hmm, that’d be a bit of a happy accident if Marvel didn’t deliberately mean to have the trailer open with “Don’t tell me to smile” when a big part of the trolling of the very first Captain Marvel trailer was that Brie Larson didn’t smile. I guess maybe it was just divine influence from above?

On 4/11/2023 at 10:33 PM, sfcityduck said:

What industry?  The film industry is known for using independent contractors.

Unionized industry contract workers like SAG, DGA, ICG, Writers Guild, etc

On 4/12/2023 at 6:44 AM, Bosco685 said:

A movie as a standalone product needs to succeed on its own merits. You realize that.

I know that. But I also believe that for Marvel Studios, the hero character’s overall journey across the MCU supplants any one individual movie.

For instance, Dr Strange is bigger than his first movie. He’s also his roles in Ragnarok and Infinity War. In fact, I say Dr Strange didn’t become a true fan favorite until his fight with Thanos in Infinity War. Hulk is an even better example. He has one MCU movie that isn’t very good and barely counts in the MCU, but it’s Hulk’s appearances across four Avengers movies, Ragnarok, and She-Hulk that are important. 

And so with Ant-Man, it’s his total appearances from his first movie to Civil War and Endgame to now that define the character. Quantumania is just a cog in the Ant-Man wheel. It’s arguable that Ant-Man 3 is more of a Kang movie. Again I’m not saying the movie’s box office isn’t disappointing for Disney, because money is important, but Ant-Man’s overall IP is far more important. In the MCU, the individual character is everything. 

On 4/12/2023 at 6:12 AM, Bosco685 said:

At a $200M production budget (not including the P&A budget) it sits at 2.37X which is below the 2.5X to 2.8X breakeven range for the 31st MCU film.

Not sure about 'humorous'. But is that a win?

No doubt the box office of QuAntuMania was a big disappointment, but the career as a whole so far of Ant-Man in the MCU and current movie pop culture has been a resounding success.

On 4/12/2023 at 1:25 AM, godzilla43 said:

Dropping some knowledge here huh. You know that Beastie Boys were a huge band back in the days. Also Hello Nasty was a huge record and Intergalatic was a huge hit.

Using that song in a space adventure movie is more lame than being clever. 

I think you missed the cleverness. 

The trailer opens with the song’s first rap lyric “Don’t tell me to smile” which is a direct reference to Captain Marvel’s first trailer when a bunch of people online said Brie wasn’t smiling enough, and also how society in general tells women to smile more. 

The “Intergalactic, planetary” chorus emphasizes how our heroes keep going back and forth from outer space to Earth and back again as they keep swapping out each other ‘s locations. 

The “we’re so versatile” line could reference how different the trio’s powers are. Speaking of trio, the Beastie Boys are a trio, just like the Marvels. 

“Intergalactic” is not just a fun song, it’s kind of quirky, which matches the quirkiness of the trailer’s content of place swapping superheroes, Flerkens, and dancing aliens.

So I say not only is “Intergalactic” a perfect song choice for the first trailer , it’s also clever. 

On 4/11/2023 at 8:32 PM, october said:

I would bet a decent chunk of change that 5-10 years from now something else (likely video game adaptations) will occupy the cultural position comic movies now hold. The worm is already turning with the success of Mario Bros.

I doubt it, especially video games. Super Mario Bros is universally loved, so it’s a no-brainer the movie would do well, but I’m not sure you can make an expanded movie universe of Mario with complex stories the way you can with the MCU, Star Wars, or Star Trek. Video games are perfect as they are and lose a little when you try to make a movie out of them. Plus, there are so many different video games that are popular and then lose their trendiness. Spider-Man Batman Superman Hulk etc have been part pop culture since the 20th century and are modern myths. Superheroes aren’t going anywhere. Disney will make sure of that.

Another random lady YouTuber's reaction since this movie is apparently only made for girls.