shadroch

So why did you give them your money? Why would you invest your time and money in something you knew was never going to work out to your satisfaction? I disagree with many things CGC does, but I don't waste money to do so.

Have you never heard of the Golden Horde?

Ain't you got any minions yet? At this stage in your career, I'd expect at least a lackey or two.

More of a hoarder.

This is why you have to study and learn the rules of the game. If you knew that CGC gives an un-witnessed signature on a book a green label, you wouldn't have submitted it, I assume. CGC or an slabbing company is not the all powerful end all, but getting a green label for a signed book is a mistake you could have easily avoided by reading their guidelines.

What a bizarre rabbit hole this thread went down. I guess it's Friday somewhere. How blessed we are today. One guy finds the only case I've ever heard of that is all 9.8s or better and another guy lucks into a Batman 1.

They actually called it the Silver Age. There are many references to the 60s being the new Silver Age from the 60s.

A strong 5.0

IF I had a 9.8 copy of a book signed by Stan that he actually worked on, I wouldn't risk it.

Way back when, CGC used to host trivia contest and after I'd won a few free submissions I carefully picked four books to submit. I handed them over, in person at a show, and a worker I was friendly with asked me if I was sure I wanted to submit one in particular. I was expecting four 9.2s or better. I got a 6.5, a 7.5, a PLOD 8.0 and an 8.5. To this day, I don't understand the 6.5. In any event, I deslabbed it, put it in a mylar, priced it very aggressively and sold it the first show I offered it. I was disappointed, felt heated and was sure they made a mistake. I'm pretty sure they didn't.

A couple of the really ugly ducklings I bought from you grew into exquisite swans

I'd be surprised if CGC would not accept a sealed or resealed printers box.

That certainly would be simpler than posting a few pictures and getting some outside opinions.

Ask him to post a picture next to a dollar bill. I'm pretty sure you will see this is an over-sized treasury, circa 1974, if he responds.

Any businessman has to factor in the replacement costs of whatever product they sell. A rising market means replacement costs go up as well.

People choose the strangest beaches to die on. Good luck to the OP. I hope this doesn't end up biting you in your posterior. I'd love to see how this turns out.

Invest in a loaf of Wonder Bread and see how much it cleans up the BC

775s don't fit in Drawer boxes if you use their rails and some other ones I've tried. I mostly use 725s. They also don't look so great with all the extra space for SA books, although others may opine otherwise.

That's ridiculous. What about Martin Goodman gives you the idea that he would keep an entire comic division going just to please his wife's cousin? He could have given Stan a job editing fan mail if he wanted to, and if comics weren't making money, he would have. Kirby tells some bs story about showing up for an interview and the moving company was there taking out furniture but Kirby tells them to put it back because he is there to save the company. It never happened. As much as Stan may have played with facts, and forgotten things, Kirby was much worse. Bob Beerhoim( sp) dug up an interview Jack gave in the mid 1960s where Kirby talks about creating Captain America, then the boy Commandos, moving to Crestwood and creating romance comics, then inventing 3-D comics before saving Marvel. No mention of his equal partner for those many years, Joe Simon. Kirby also spoke about landing on Normandy Beach two weeks after D-Day when he was stateside and in England until the Fall of 1944. Forgive me if I take anything he claimed with a huge grain of salt. Perhaps he had a bad memory or perhaps he saw the world thru Kirby-vision. In the first place, there was no office, so to speak. Stan and his comic company shared an office with the magazine staff so unless the entire magazine company was closing, it didn't happen. Secondly, do you think the Empire State Building allows movers in during regular business hours? Kirby was in court with his former editor at DC and needed work. With no place left to turn, he went back to Goodman. Goodman told Stan to use the excess inventory and not to give work to anyone until the inventory was gone. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything but at least you got that part of it right. Does that make Stan a bad guy or a failure. The comic industry was in shambles in the mid to late 50's and Stan Lee saw his company through while his competition mostly floundered.

MCS has copies of Turok 1 in 9.8 for under $50. According to their census, there are about 225 copies graded 9.8. Imagine what adding 200 more copies to the census would do for the books value.

Have you ever seen a box of 200 copies of a comic in which they were all 9.8s? Of the over 200,000 copies of that book that were sold, how many have been graded 9.8? Many people here speak from years , if not decades of experience.

In the mid-1950s, Stan was publishing as many as forty comics a month. Goodmans magazine division wasn't publishing that many each month, but he also was putting out crossword puzzle books and cheap paperbacks. Unlike the 1960s, when Goodmans publishing took up a whole floor of a building, in the 50s they worked out of a much smaller office in the Empire State building. I'm not sure it is accurate to say his comics division was just a small part of his finances. Maybe in 1958-1960 when they were limited to 8 books a month but not when they were churning out forty plus books earlier in the decade. Remember that a comic in the 50's cost as much as a magazine, but by the late 60's, many mags were 35-50 cents while comics were still 12 cents, so they were much less profitable. Goodman ran into financial problems when he tried to self-distribute. Nearly forty years later, Marvel ran into problems when they tried to self-distribute. Twenty five years later, they are trying it again.

So these scammers are making money appealing to peoples greed and we end up paying for it. God Bless America.

Ebay might refund the money, but if the seller is in the wind, how does ebay get their money back?