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HuddyBee

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  1. Thanks for all the responses guys.

    On 7/23/2018 at 3:31 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

    No sign of The Pressidicus I see. Must have a pressing appointment. :grin:

    Been gone y'all, and there is plenty to respond to in this forum. I realize some of you definitely don't trust my pressing methods. Look I aint rich, as you can see by my 3.0 BP1, (got it for $3.50 though) I can't afford pressing w/ a major company, so I see what I can do. I'm not a crazy collector either, and still working my way through the hobby. It worked. Thats all I can say. It might have brought out some of the acid in the paper, so increased the aging process, but hey the comics seem fine. This is why I only "pressed" 4 or so books. I recommend trying it. Why throw your money at a company that uses the exact same technology you have in your closet? (just a little fancier)

  2. On 7/22/2018 at 1:56 PM, Bomber-Bob said:

    HaHa ! In this case, I do not want to help this guy at all.I don't really care if he wants to ruin his own comics but what scares me is that he may put this stuff into the marketplace.  And his final comment.. 'Next time you think about sending a book to get pressed, check out this post, and feel free to inquire of any details on how to do this.' really scares me. Does he really think he is doing a community service here ? Does he really believe he can do better work with an iron then a professional presser ?

    Hey look man, it worked. I didn't damage the comic. So.... I know I can't do better than a pro. But I can try. Sure I wouldn't iron an action 1, but a $10-100 book why not?

  3. So, I had heard of people pressing comics before with just an iron, and decided to give it a try. I tried just ironing out waviness, and water damage, however I found the iron to be less effective with that sort of defect. (although it will get rid of it, just with a lot of work and time) However I found an iron is the perfect way to get rid of spine rolls on a comic. All I did was put the iron with NO steam on the highest setting, realigned the roll across from the spine, held it down with my hand, and slowly ironed over the spine. I had to do this a couple of times per spine roll, so as to not rip the staples, and to do it more cleanly. I also did not iron the comic directly, I ironed it with a piece of parchment paper on top, and a flat piece of wood underneath. I ironed it by swiveling and shimmying the iron all along the spine, as I would a shirt. Make sure to not just leave the iron stationary as it might leave creases and dents from the edge of the iron. Also make sure to check for the paper getting burnt, be also aware that sometimes after prolonged iron contact the inks might be brought of the page on to the parchment paper. The results, for me, where very good, and I was very impressed with what I could do with just about 15 mins a spine roll. Check out the results below.

    I attached a lot of before and after pics, they're not perfect, but there is definitely an improvement in grade and presentability, about an 0.5-1.0 bump in grade (IMO). I might've gone a little overkill with pictures, but I'm just trying to show you all I've done. I pressed out even more spine rolls, and major creases with other books. 

    Really anyone can do this, its super easy, and just takes some experimentation, so use a crappy $1 book, and see what you can do. 

    Next time you think about sending a book to get pressed, check out this post, and feel free to inquire of any details on how to do this.

     

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  4. I'm hearing all this talk about MSH 13, and have been for a while, but what about what my man 1Cool said, Hawkman 4 anyone?

    On 6/27/2018 at 2:36 PM, 1Cool said:

    Someone asked John Haines (big local dealert) at a local Con last weekend which book he thought was the hottest Silver-Age book right now and I was kind of shocked he said Hawkman 4 over MSH 13.  he said he can't keep them in stop no matter how high he prices them.

     

  5. 8 hours ago, 1Cool said:

    Someone asked John Haines (big local dealert) at a local Con last weekend which book he thought was the hottest Silver-Age book right now and I was kind of shocked he said Hawkman 4 over MSH 13.  he said he can't keep them in stop no matter how high he prices them.

    Yeah, I've really only been looking on Ebay, since I really can't seem to find many at cons. I got a copy about 2 years ago, a 1.8 for about $50, (for my Hawkman run) which thought was a pretty good deal, since then we've seen 1.8's for $100+. I don't really know why its been heating up though. It's not a super common book, so that could be part it. but other than that I got no idea. (aside from it being 1st zatanna of course) ???  

  6. 1 hour ago, GB said:

    I appreciate all the feedback on this and I'm thinking of just having the book sent back as is. The fees for having it pressed and regraded combined are 5.5% of the estimated value. So with the last 7.5 selling on comiclink last week at $140K, that's $7700. But, if it came back as an 8, the $7700 would have been well worth it.

    I'm not looking to flip the book or anything. I just started having books graded for the day I decide to sell them all or if something happens to me, make it easy for my wife to sell them.

     

    I'd still press, there are definitely some cheaper pressing and cleaning services out there. But hey, to each is own. Sweet book nonetheless.

  7. 28 minutes ago, peewee22 said:

    What would it cost with CGC? 

    I dunno I've never used 'em, but I do know they charge an arm and a leg in additional fees, for $$$ books. If you were just going to get it graded, you'd have to pay an at least an additional $3,000 in fees, so I imagine its not that much different for grading

    I might've been exaggerating when I said PGX would do it for $100, probably more like $300-1K, but still nowhere close to what CGC (or should I say CCS) would charge.

  8. 32 minutes ago, MusterMark said:

    This is, unfortunately, a typical misuse of Newton’s 3rd Law of Motion.  It happens quite frequently, (again) unfortunately.

     

    It's not a misuse if you keep in mind what I said earlier, "of course this change usually will occur alongside a steady upward moving constant." What I've said is true. Obviously Newton wasn't referring to comics when discovering these natural laws, but it can apply. If you don't understand it or what I meant by it, then read my post and all my posts explaining it. I have, for your convenience, quoted a quote of my quote below:

    On 6/24/2018 at 11:00 PM, Howling Mad said:

    Rarely will comics, or any collectible, over a decent period of time return to lower prices or less than lower prices, than a steady upward growth along a constant.

    Take this for example: Imagine a book grows on average $2 a month. That growth will continue regularly and only change slowly. (usually) A book will only crash as far as it can, as it goes along with that constant of $2 a month. (again usually) So lets say in two years that book increases about $50 by the means of that constant. Let's say just for fun this book originally was worth $200. In that two years, 5 months prior the end of the two years, the book suddenly spiked, and rose $10 a month for 5 months, and then crashed. The book usually will not crash to below $250, because of its steady growth by a constant of $2 a month. It will have peeked at $300. So in the end in those two years the book grew by a steady constant of $2 a month to $250. But in the middle it peaked at $300 and crashed and lost $50. The book only crashed the amount that it grew, but since the book was moving at a slow constant of $2 a month, it still gained value. Note: this is purely a hypothetical situation. Now this is usually how collectibles increase in value. Silver Age books haven't been observed for that long of a time, so this model could be completely inaccurate. But it is still interesting to take into account, and is the reason I don't consider a lot of the Marvel Silver Age keys to be good investments, because yes it will increase in value, but maybe not at the point its at now.

    As you can see I explained what I meant by my using Newtons 3rd Law of Motion. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, which will (usually w/ comics) occur along a slowly upward moving constant. If you read all that I said and took it into account, you would realize it is not an unfortunate use of his Law of Motion. But, unfortunately, it seems you did not read all that I posted. As you would put it:

    32 minutes ago, MusterMark said:

    It happens quite frequently, (again) unfortunately.

     

  9. 8 hours ago, GB said:

    It's an expensive gamble to take with no payoff if it comes back the same grade.

    I realize y'all hate PGX since we're on the CGC boards, but you can just get it pressed by them for about no more than $100 if you add additional fees. So... expensive???

    I'd do it, but than again I've never handled a book worth 100K+ so whadda I know?

  10. 41 minutes ago, zosocane said:

    I would agree with this.  The market, for now, says SC 30 is more desireable over Adv 260.  If one cares about what the market thinks.  Maybe the market is embracing that it is Aquaman’s first full-length book, not really the origin angle.  Who knows, but the sales data speaks.  All that said, I remember it wasn’t too long ago when the market was paying much more for WW 105 and a lot less for WW 98 (which I never understood).  And then a few years ago the valuations on those two books flip-flopped and WW 98 shot up.  Who knows whether Adv 260 will overtake SC 30.  Buy both books in grade and you’re covered!

    I wish I could land a copy of SC 30, but its just too much for me to pay for that level of a key. Who knows? Maybe I'm only engaging in this debate, because I'm just jealous I cant land a copy of SC 30.

  11. 5 hours ago, Howling Mad said:

    our fundamental understanding of how the comic book market works seems somewhat flawed. SC30 will never return to it's values from a few years back short of a wide economic market crash (similar to what happened in 2007/2008). Will it hit a peak in a few months and then settle back down a bit? Absolutely, but it'll very likely retain a considerable portion of that hype growth, and that will become the new standard. Look at Fantastic Four 52 as an example.

    I 100% agree. Note what I meant by "crash." I stated:

    6 hours ago, HuddyBee said:

    of course this change usually will occur alongside a steady upward moving constant)

    Rarely will comics, or any collectible, over a decent period of time return to lower prices or less than lower prices, than a steady upward growth along a constant.

    Take this for example: Imagine a book grows on average $2 a month. That growth will continue regularly and only change slowly. (usually) A book will only crash as far as it can, as it goes along with that constant of $2 a month. (again usually) So lets say in two years that book increases about $50 by the means of that constant. Let's say just for fun this book originally was worth $200. In that two years, 5 months prior the end of the two years, the book suddenly spiked, and rose $10 a month for 5 months, and then crashed. The book usually will not crash to below $250, because of its steady growth by a constant of $2 a month. It will have peeked at $300. So in the end in those two years the book grew by a steady constant of $2 a month to $250. But in the middle it peaked at $300 and crashed and lost $50. The book only crashed the amount that it grew, but since the book was moving at a slow constant of $2 a month, it still gained value. Note: this is purely a hypothetical situation. Now this is usually how collectibles increase in value. Silver Age books haven't been observed for that long of a time, so this model could be completely inaccurate. But it is still interesting to take into account, and is the reason I don't consider a lot of the Marvel Silver Age keys to be good investments, because yes it will increase in value, but maybe not at the point its at now.

    A lot of good stuff coming from this "debate," I have surely enjoyed it.

  12. 16 hours ago, Howling Mad said:

    SC30 has been undervalued for many years, it's not surprising that it's starting to creep up, especially with renewed interest in both Aquaman and Mera (yes, I realize she wasn't around yet).

    Undervalued??? G copies on ebay are selling for $300+ This book is far from undervalued. Everyone knows its not his first appearance, its only his first solo book, and its not even a #1. I'll give you it's a significant book, but not that significant! No one gave a snot about Aquaman 10 years ago. The price increase has only to thank bandwagoners and superficial movie hype. If only well informed collectors where buying this book, it would be worth less than AC 260 and Aquaman 1, as they would realize the importance of one and the unimportance of the other. Its not that rare. There's 500+ copies on the census, plus probably 500 more raw. Everyone seems to think their favorite comic book/character is "undervalued." It's not. SC 30 is only "undervalued" when compared to half the Marvel "keys." Most DC books I will say are "undervalued," when you compare them to marvel, especially when taking into account their rarity. But if we're going to talk about undervalued DC books, SC 30, is far from the top of the list. A book like this should be worth about as much as SC 34 and BB34, thats about the level its on in terms of "keyness." Books like these are only going up because of Movies and superficial hype. These kinds of books are subject to that kind of change. (you'll notice Action 1/Detective 27, barely go up in value with hype) When you have books that aren't crazy rare, its more subject to change with movies and hype. So a book like SC 30 can shoot up. But people aren't going to be on the Superhero Movie train forever. The fad will die down. And when that happens SC 30 will be far from the top. When judging if a book is under or over valued you have to look at it save the hype. Take into consideration the movie and how much the book fluctuates. Books that shoot up are more likely to shoot down. Books that slowly work their way up without Movie hype, are more likely to stay put or continue upward, or at worst slowly work their way down. (of course this change usually will occur alongside a steady upward moving constant) It's as my good friend Isaac Newton put it, "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

  13. On 6/22/2018 at 6:48 PM, Aman619 said:

    Apples to oranges.  The discussion between ADV260and SC30 is between two vintage comics suddenly hot dues to movie hype.  But interest in both comics is very different from hobby speculation on any current modern comic considered TO BE HISTORIC (and valuable) in the future! These usually end badly! 

    Whichever Aquaman book loses out as first SA issue won’t be worth fifty cents like Death of Superman is now... the correct parallel is first Sgt Rock, or first Teen Titans. Or first SA Wonder Woman.  Between two vintage issues not released as a speculation buy in the last 30years!  It’s en to existing SA stories published in a time before modern speculation where one book is long considered THE  BOOK ONLY TO SEE 8NTEREST IN ANOTHER ISSUE ECLIPSE IT  by fans. 

    Part of this is what I've been saying. SC 30 and Aquaman 1 have both shot up in price because of this movie. I think a lot of this addition in value is superficial, as I do with many marvel books going for ridiculous amounts of money now, due to movies. For some reason AC 260 has not been influenced, to the same degree, as SC 30 and Aquaman 1, despite it being arguably the greatest key for that character. This is what makes me suspicious of the increase in value. Is it all just hype? And will it crash soon? I think so. I may be wrong. But I believe AC 260, would be the most stable book, in terms of price fluctuation. IMO

  14. 1 minute ago, Howling Mad said:

    What's your point?

    The market has firmly established SC30 as the preferred SA Aquaman key. Similar to Thor 165 for Him/Adam Warlock, or even Hulk 181 in place of Hulk 180 (arguably Wolverine's 1st full appearance).

    It just is what it is. I've owned both. I find it highly doubtful that AC260, which doesn't even have Aquaman on the cover, is going to all of a sudden be the fan favorite.

    My point is the market doesn't decide keys. Sometimes the market gives too much value to a certain book at a certain time. Just because a book is worth $ now doesn't make it a key, or even important. I'm not saying AC 260 will spike tomorrow, but in the long run it will do better than SC 30. The market currently places lots of value on SC 30, just like the market placed a lot of value in "The Death of Superman" in the 90s. But we see where that led. The market has no bearing on the keyness or importantness of a book.

  15. 16 hours ago, Howling Mad said:

    This right here makes all the difference. The market prefers SC30.

    The Market can be wrong. Surely you don't think the market was right in the 90's. In fact it was the market's incorrectness the caused the comic crash in the 90s. The market went crazy for "The Death of Superman" in the 90s. How's that "investment" paid off?

  16. 16 hours ago, zosocane said:

    Some say it's not a full reboot because Aquaman has always been Arthur Curry and is thus the same physical person.  Unlike, say, the Flash (full reboot), who was Jay Garrick in 1940 then was Barry Allen in 1956.  Ditto with Green Lantern (full reboot) who went from Alan Scott to Hal Jordan.  Similarly, Atom was a completely different person (GA vs. SA).  I think Hawkman is a different alter ego, right?  The argument is that Aquaman, like Wonder Woman, is the same person, hence it's a soft reboot.  So if one says, "First Silver Age Aquaman," that's not technically true.  But to say, "First SA origin of Aquaman," is technically better.

    I don't have a link to the thread.  There are two of these threads in the last 3 years, if i remember correctly.  Try a Google search using "collector's society," that is sometimes much faster than the search engine above.  But I will save you the trouble, about half the Boardies say SC 30 over AC 260, and half say AC 260 over SC 30.  Financially, the market favors SC 30 over AC 260, if that matters to you.  (I don't care one way or the other as I have both, but I have my personal opinion that ain't changing.)  That's basically it.   

    K, thanks. I'll search for the link. I still think it's a full reboot. Lets consider the Hawkman reboot in BB 34-36, 42-44, which we can all agree is a full reboot.

     

    GA Hawkman - Carter Hall, SA Hawkman - Carter Hall (and Katar Hol)

    GA Hawkman - flight/enhanced strength, SA Hawkman - flight/enhanced strength, can talk to birds

    GA Hawkman and SA Hawkman - same costume (w/ minor differences)

    GA Hawkman - Museum Curator/Archaeologist, SA Hawkman - Museum Curator/Archaeologist

    GA Hawkman - reincarnated Egyptian prince, SA Hawkman - Alien policeman from Thanagar

     

    GA Aquaman - (name?) SA Aquaman - Arthur Curry (first revealed as his name in AC 260)

    GA Aquaman - breathe underwater/talk to fish, SA Aquaman - breathe underwater/control fish telepathically

    GA Aquaman and SA Aquaman - same constumes

    GA Aquman - regular human, trained to breathe underwater (no real super powers), SA Aquaman - Atlantian/Human hybrid who can breathe underwater (has real superpowers)

     

    As you can see the Hawkman reboot consisted of very small changes, the only major one occurring with his origin. This is the exact same with the full Aquaman reboot. As far as I can tell Aquaman might have had even more changes made to the character, those of which were detailed in his reboot in AC 260. Aquaman was published continually from GA to SA, but that's the only real difference between the two reboots detailed above. (but is that really proof ta say it wasn't as full reboot) Aquaman's reboot was not as glamorous as Hawkman's, but if Hawkman's was a full reboot (which it was), then Aquaman's is a full reboot.

     

    So yes, it is correct to say "First SA Aquaman," just an interesting way to look at things.

     

  17. On 6/20/2018 at 2:25 PM, zosocane said:

    Both books are important, and you need to get both.  But in the hierarchy of things, AC 260 is a notch above SC 30  because it features, in a back-up story, a rebooted Aquaman origin for the first time in the Silver Age, which followed what DC had done for Wonder Woman (a rebooted origin in WW 98).  (This is in contrast to a fully rebooted character, which DC did for Flash in SC 4, GL in SC 22 and Atom in SC 34).  SC 30 is the first Aquaman cover and a book dedicated solely to him as a test issue to see if there would be enough market demand to launch his own title.  SC 30 was published about a year after AC 260, and the story is essentially an expansion of the rebooted origin from AC 260 (both drawn by Ramona Fradon, and many of the panels are similar -- it's been a while since I compared the panels from the two books so I can't say if there are identical panels).  

    Agreed, I snagged a AC 260, but SC 30 is just to expensive even in low grade for my budget. My only question is, why isn't it a full reboot? Sure the character looks the same, but Hawkman looked exactly the same in his reboot. Sure he's got the same powers as is GA counterpart, so did Flash, GL, and Hawkman. So if you ask me compared to those reboots, AC 260 is a full reboot of the character. I get that Aquaman was published continually thru the GA and SA, but who's to say a reboot cant happen on the fly. The SA and GA Aquamen are two completely unrelated different people with different origins. So if you ask me AC 260 is a full reboot despite continued publishing, and should be up there with SC 22 and BB 28, or at least on par with SC 34 and BB 34. I guess people are just missing out on a huge key, just cause CGC doesn't have the balls to put "First S.A. Aquaman" on the label.

    Also Ive heard the argument for AC 229, which is completely ridiculous. Its not anything because the start of the silver age isn't an agreed upon defined point, (if ya ask me its when they introduced the CCA) and if it was it would just be the "First Aquaman in S.A." And there's a big difference between that and "First S.A. Aquaman."

    Also, do you got a link to that one thread ya'll keep alluding to in these SC 30 v Ac 260 debates? I'd love to read it.

     

  18. On 5/1/2015 at 7:40 PM, zosocane said:

     

    Paul, if you have a copy -- an 8.5, seriously??? -- you're in pretty good shape. SC 30 should be called Lazarus because the debate on its "keyness" on this very thread has been resurrected. Kinda reminds me of ...

     

    "These aren't the droids you're looking for."

    "THESE AREN'T THE DROIDS WE'RE LOOKING FOR."

    "Showcase 30 is not a key of any sorts."

    "SHOWCASE 30 IS NOT A KEY OF ANY SORTS."

    "Move along."

    "MOVE ALONG, MOVE ALONG."

     

     

    I know this is a super old post, but could someone direct me to this thread. I've read all up on what I can find on the SA Aquaman debate, but I've yet to have found this original thread. Does someone know where it is? A link maybe?

    Also if anyone wants to beat this dead horse anymore, tell me what y'all think about SC 30 and AC 260.

     

    P.S.

    By the way this is what I've learned...

    Adventure 260- 1st SA Aquaman

    Adventure 229- nothing

    Showcase 30- nothing