Lazyboy

Is this not a question you can answer for yourself simply by analyzing the Census?

On 11/2/2023 at 11:39 AM, lostboys said:

I dont have many books that are worth big money but Id hate to think that my 9.4 ASM 194 or 9.6 TWD #1 doesnt have micro chamber paper.

There is a massive difference between those two books. If the ASM doesn't have it, that would actually be concerning.

On 11/2/2023 at 9:15 PM, Nightmares of Dreams said:

but this eliminates the poly-bagged line in the label.

It absolutely does not. "Poly-bag removed" is a generic issue note for comics that all came poly-bagged. The only reason any specific copy wouldn't have that note is that CGC changed their issue notes at some point.

There may be cases where CGC doesn't note it for the issue just because they're terribly inconsistent or an issue came with both loose and bagged copies and it's either impossible to tell the difference or, again, CGC just sucks at noting things properly.

On 11/2/2023 at 7:01 AM, MAR1979 said:

Price: $44.00
Unit Price: $.44

= 100 sheets

Yeah, it's too bad there are no Options there for 1000 at a unit price of $0.299.

On 11/1/2023 at 10:14 PM, Antillia Island said:

IDK oh well, I'll trust everyone that there is no trickery.

Lots of comic "sellers" from China aren't faking slabs, they're just stealing pictures and scamming you. I hope your mom opens the packages and knows how to verify the contents.

On 10/31/2023 at 1:47 AM, Antillia Island said:

I understand. Not really trying to tell anyone how they should operate or collect. 

Let me tell you my perspective. I currently sit in a Starbucks Reserve (its an upscale Starbucks) surround by people my age with very expensive machines clicking away doing work somewhere around the globe. Most are like me, small furnished apartment for a couple months, hop/migrate around, because our tourist visa's expire at 90 days. We work remote and don't need "work permits" and the money is coming in from our versus endeavors. Stay amongst the safe Asia megacities, where we are comfortable using the bathroom with a $5k laptop on the table. Take the occasional adventure trip to developing countries. But that lifestyle doesn't mean we have to be devoid of "stuff" and not collect anything. I'm lucky for my mother was taking in my collection, but the piles of comics are bothering her, so I need to stop. Sad. If I want to sale the books, I have no method to sale them. I could remotely put them on E-bay but will still need someone to pack them up for shipping. I don't want to inconvenience my mother for such a task. Her packing comic for CGC is already enough. Yes CGC she is the one wrapping like 20 layers of bubble wrap around them

So in my dream world: I would like to collect comic books that are asset backed NFTs and drop in my wallet. They are stored in ... maybe GameStop Vaults were they could cheaply ship collectibles between physical local GameStop vaults. I ask to get the book "check it out" for a day, week or year, of course I have to give prior notice. But I can get it in China, Japan, US, or France wherever they have a local vault. When I'm done I return it to the vault, they verify it is org/correct. If I want to sale, I don't need to spend time writing an E-bay auction (even bother with shipping) I just click. Someone buys the comic and the ownership instantly transfers to the new owner, (into their phone wallet, that is how NFT's work already), the new owner could ask to ship it to their local vault or just keep it where it sits in the world. 

On the mystery box I looked at some photos of the books being sent, they are in amazing condition easy above 7.0 but maybe 9.0. I won't open the boxes for who knows how long, so I really can't tell. Yes, I want to press and send them to the CGC, (I don't understand the logic of not pressing them, I just wonder about old ones). When I do need to get my collection into a vault, I don't think comic vaults will accept loose books, I don't want to own them on some shelf at my mothers house or storage unit. I want them to feel like they are with me in my phone wallet. Most of the 40 years of experience is dealing in a market where people brought the book home and had a place to store them. 

Everyone should collect how they want. But, I could tell so many people don't have a clue that I'm talking about, haha, almost a polite mocking. But it is ok, I understand clearly. I might be dreaming about the future of asset collecting. There is dozens of people around me upon dozens of coffee shops full, I don't think anyone here has a place to store collectibles. But I see two Chanel bags and a lot of expensive computers so I believe there is disposable income amongst us. We are almost talking about two realities people that have a large amount (or any amount) of storage space for their collection and those that have none. I'm unsure if space settled perspective relates to a growing class of people that are migrational. In a posable futrue our collectible asset backed NFT storage could be a massive warehouse of physical stuff, yet we only carry a computer bag. Collecting not just "key" comics but whole runs is possible when storing the books is not a factor. it might change the whole dynamic, who knows time will tell.  

 

Don't take this the wrong way, but you are completely insane.

Covers are not appearances. This was always true, but is even more true in the age of variant stupidity.

On 10/28/2023 at 4:02 PM, darkstar said:

There is no corresponding market for the first available direct editions because even if someone has done the legwork to figure that out those books aren't known to any significant segment of the market to the point where market prices would be noticeably affected by the market depth.

On 10/28/2023 at 4:02 PM, darkstar said:

The only reason later modern newsstand collecting isn't bigger right now is due to the proliferation of atrocious cover art and largely insignificant and forgettable stories.

On 10/27/2023 at 10:42 PM, darkstar said:

 

 

On 10/26/2023 at 5:47 PM, mrwoogieman said:

As someone who buys more modern newsies than most, i have no problem admitting that there are people who are trying to generate interest in what would otherwise be worthless books by simply focusing on the fact that they are newsstand editions. 
 

If it were solely grass roots collectors driving the modern newsie market because of rarity or collectibility of the books, there would have to be a corresponding burgeoning market for early direct editions from the 70s for the same reasons. And yet, no one talks about premiums for directs from that era.

And I think the reason for that is that the hype-sters don’t have access to those direct editions at friendly price points like they do for moderns. The classic hype what you have to sell. 
 

Do you remember the first glimmers of Newsstand hype? A handful of issues, like Spawn 1, with notable sales on feeBay. 

Years later, a few people started hyping Newsstands in general and, over time, their ludicrous, false hype numbers insidiously spread everywhere. Of course, those few people absolutely did not and do not have hoards of Newsstands they bought for cheap and would never even consider selling any of their priceless treasures.

On 10/25/2023 at 6:35 PM, paqart said:

At present, low prices for uninteresting newsstands tend to be around $10, where the direct is $1.00 or so. The range for most post 2000 newsstands is around $10-$30

What?

On 10/25/2023 at 4:36 PM, Mr. Spider-Woman said:

I know I haven't paid much more than cover price for any newsstand issues of various Fantastic Four titles for my collection.

But you only acquire an issue or two per year because they're so impossible to find that they practically don't exist, right?

On 10/25/2023 at 9:28 AM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

I think just be bringing the subject up, you change the equation. Certainly there are some people out there that don't care one way or the other, but figuring that other people do, will pick up Newsstand Editions because they think other people see value in them, even if they don't themselves.

Current prices are a self-fulfilling prophecy. Unfortunately, the prophets are actually lying hucksters.

On 10/24/2023 at 6:15 PM, Ixthinon said:

Yes but some of the ASM 238's also must have not come with the Tatooz in the first place, by virtue of the same manufacturing errors.

Of course, but ASM 238 and FF 252 plainly state on the cover that they come with Tattooz, so they are missing something they are supposed to have, regardless of the reason.

On 10/24/2023 at 6:15 PM, Ixthinon said:

I do not also see any manufacturing error effecting the grades of the other books with or without the tatooz also. A UXM 167 isnt dinged for having or missing them.

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that two, and only two, issues are meant to have the insert, which means they are incomplete without it? Having something extra, like an insert that wasn't meant for all copies or an extra page, doesn't and shouldn't affect the grade.

On 10/22/2023 at 5:18 PM, Ixthinon said:

This is in regards with the Tatooz inclusion was for some of the Marvel titles released in March 1983, which included ASM 238. I have looked into titles that could have the tatooz and noticed that CGC awards them a blue label with or without the Tatooz. Like Say UXM 167 some of these books have the Tatooz, while some do not - both blue label. Why is ASM 238 different in this regard to whether it gets a blue or green label? Some of the ASM 238's surely did not even come with them in the first place, just as the other Marvel issues from March 1983.  

The answer is very, very simple:

Some copies of other issues may have the insert, but those are manufacturing errors.

On 10/7/2023 at 12:38 AM, OtherEric said:

I think in general they print the covers separately because they're on different stock, but that might not be the case with that issue, if it had glossy interiors.

The only way they might print the covers and interiors together is if they use the exact same paper and there is only one version of the issue.

On 10/11/2023 at 5:22 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

Not the clearest picture, is it. I would put my money on that being added post production. Find a second example and we're in business Paq. And no slash jokes.

 Clear enough to definitively say it was drawn on post-production.

On 10/6/2023 at 9:05 AM, Dr. Balls said:

Losing customers and raising prices to continues to show "growth" to shareholders is not a concept that is applied only to comic books. I don't claim to know the metrics of how those sales are measured, but just stating an increase in revenue is not proof of anything at all. For all we know, those figures are skewed by increases in licensing during the MCU boom, not content creation geared toward customer acquisition. OR, it could be that they are indeed selling more comics. More information is required.

So go look at it. Comichron has all the information you want.

On 10/4/2023 at 11:57 AM, COI said:

That's all fine, except that I'm not sure why profitability alone doesn't make the book worth slabbing. You said any book that is "meaningless" - which you define as having no value below the 9.8 threshold - isn't worth slabbing, and my response was that it's still worth slabbing if it's a 9.8 because it's profitable to do so. There are people who are trying to collect 9.8 runs of titles, and to them the books aren't "meaningless" because they're a part of the run. 

Otherwise, I agree with your argument, except I don't see why you're using the terms meaningful/meaningless instead of low/high demand, because that's all it is - a function of demand. 

 

Well, it's supply AND demand, as always. Ignoring the quality of the actual contents of the issues, which comic is more meaningful: one that sells for a lot because of very small supply or one that has little monetary value because the supply is even larger than the very large demand?

On 10/4/2023 at 1:38 PM, Yorick said:

I think you've got a great general rule for submitting modern books with that thought process.  Don't submit a modern book for grading unless there is value for it below the 9.8 grade.  "Value", however, is different for different folks.  Personally, I get my cheap kicks from building modern comic registry sets.  Sure, it may be a waste from someone else's perspective, but I can still collect and not go broke.  I have built a Miracleman set in 9.0+ with a rule of not spending more than $40 (including shipping) for any single book.  I've done pretty well.  I'm not sure that Miracleman is meaningless though.  Alan Moore is pretty awesome.

Catch 22?

That is the exact problem here. Meaningless to illiterate clowns who collect chunks of plastic to compensate for their tiny ? Who cares? They are the ones who are meaningless.

On 10/3/2023 at 8:07 AM, Math Teacher said:

If you don't believe @shadroch, just ask Uncle Scrooge. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLJrzfWTu9E

On 10/2/2023 at 11:43 AM, Krydel4 said:

I think this may be a case of flipping. He bought the book in order to flip it and the timeline he needs to complete the sale to the other buyer is tight. Hence the shipping anxiety.

That really doesn't make it any better.

On 10/1/2023 at 8:26 PM, Courageous Cat said:

meh, we're all entitled to a bad day. Cut the OP a break

It has nothing to do with any specific day.

On 10/1/2023 at 2:05 AM, justadude said:

the only solution Marvel can offer because it's boxed in by continuity.

Marvel isn't boxed in by continuity. Marvel wiped their with any semblance of real continuity decades ago. Nothing they do matters because nothing they do matters. That is their problem (related to continuity)

On 9/30/2023 at 5:22 PM, Lightning55 said:

Looks like it happened in production to me. When fading is suspected, the first victim is usually the yellow ink, sometimes disappearing completely. The yellow is bold here, so that makes me think not faded. It seems like red did not get applied consistently in that area. But I'm not an expert or an authority, just going by past experiences.

Magenta first, yellow second.

I'm not entirely sure whether this is printing or fading, but I am sure that it's fugly.