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On 2/20/2024 at 2:55 AM, AJD said:

On 2/20/2024 at 10:28 AM, csaag said:

On 2/20/2024 at 10:13 AM, Grendel72 said:

Insurance liability.  

yeah but if you get upcharged, your insurance stays at what you declared value when you submitted. I believe I've seen that from CGC comments

Their insurance. Their liability. They don't care about yours.

On 2/19/2024 at 3:27 AM, BA773 said:

Yesterday i read a new wonderful issue of Superman (2nd serie #50)

HOWEVER! The cover indicate 48 freaking pages... what was my surprise when after this beautiful art panel...

Which is numbered as "PAGE 38" I got next the fans commentaries... GOD! Why did you lie to me DC!? 

I was even go online to check if my book had some missing pages but no its well complete. 

This isnt normal, i want some explanations! I understand now why the guys bought to the newsttands...

(Note: this topic is  on an humorous tone and i dont care of it but its doesnt change that i not understand why the number of page is wrong)

Does it say '48 story pages'? Does it say 'no ads'? No, it says "special 48 page issue", which it has (interior pages, not including the cover).

On 2/14/2024 at 6:16 AM, Sigur Ros said:

As for a hard, sealed, plastic slab vs taped mylar, I have to disagree with anyone who says they offer the same protection.

True. Slabs are much, much worse if they're being moved around a lot like during shipping.

On 2/14/2024 at 9:15 AM, Brock said:

How about the DC Whitman variant UPC boxes?

these may be the very first time a "creative" option was used...

Well, sure, since that's only a few years after the beginning of bar codes on comics.

On 2/14/2024 at 6:35 AM, kenaran said:

I mostly follow DC, for them it feels like any book that had a newsstand just left the box and filled it with something (text, promo, art) for the direct edition. 

For the vast majority of comics with dual distribution, the only thing that changed was the content in the box because that meant only the black plate needed to be changed during printing.. But there are some seemingly random issues that didn't have the box at all on Directs, as well as some publishers/titles that didn't have it.

On 2/13/2024 at 1:41 PM, BA773 said:

423!!! 

Yes it was a cool time, however i never understood how the product was marketable without a visible barcode, is there someone who know how it worked? 

The vast majority of comic shops then did not use scanners at checkout (or at all). Some still don't.

I take it you've never seen this thread and its offshoot(s)?

Also, adding a sticker to a comic only damages the comic, it does not change what it is. Anybody can make a sticker, anybody can attach a sticker to a comic and these can both be done at any time.

On 2/13/2024 at 10:56 AM, William-James88 said:

On 2/3/2024 at 12:24 PM, Mokiguy said:

their demand established by pure speculation among collectors because a certain character showed up and has little to do with the amount of any particular issue produced. And that to me seems odd ....... sort of backward and ripe for a collapse some day like Tulips in Holland in the 1600 hundreds or more recently the dot.com bubble of the late 90's where people were throwing money at and buying any stock that was tech or had dot.com in it's name. I don't know much about sports trading cards, but didn't they also have a similar bubble and collapse and now only certain prized cards have any value?

Personally I think a true scarcity is what should drive demand and not greed and speculation. But that's just my humble opinion.

You are understanding the situation perfectly.

No, he certainly is not. Natural demand by collectors is completely different than speculation and scarcity should (and does in the vast majority of cases) have nothing to do with the demand for a comic book.

On 2/12/2024 at 6:20 PM, newshane said:

I used the word "popular" only once in my original post, to describe the Walking Dead and why many consider it a key. 

Would you disagree if I revised the statement to "important" and if so, on what grounds? 

The book is a key on multiple levels. Do you disagree? 

You don't really think I was taking issue with TWD 1, do you?

Popular covers, no matter what words you use to describe them, are not important. Character crossovers are not important, they are just likely to be in higher demand and have higher value due to appealing to more than the normal audience for an issue. Issues worked on by "famous" creators?

On 2/12/2024 at 2:59 PM, newshane said:

I suppose we speak different languages, then. 

Or perhaps you're being unnecessarily stubborn? 

You provided me with a dictionary definition: essential; central; important:

I gave you several scenarios in which a comic would meet that definition. 

You also posted an image that more or less outlined the same scenarios. 

I consider our current discourse quite bewildering. At this point, you can count me out. I believe I've made my point clear. As for you? Not so much. 

In what world are 'popular' and 'important' synonyms?

The only thing you've made clear is that you really don't understand.

On 2/12/2024 at 2:19 PM, lostboys said:

Not everyone who wants a key can afford a key.

Who said they could? What does that have to do with anything?

On 2/10/2024 at 7:31 PM, newshane said:

I gave my definition for keys. 

What is yours? 

You don't have a definition for 'key' and neither do I. We're not so special and powerful that we get to redefine the English language.

https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/467134-spider-man-100-200-keys/?do=findComment&comment=11158205

On 2/11/2024 at 6:41 PM, Albert Tatlock said:

At the time TTA # 13 was published, Groot was a character of no significance.

The same as TTA # 27.

What if the first Ant Man appearance had featured a different scientist, not Henry Pym, but with roughly the same powers?

Then TTA # 27 would be worth the same today as # 26 and # 28.

The subject under discussion here has more to do with human psychology than the comic book industry.

Why pay many times more for issue A of a title than issue B, when both are circulating in equal quantities?

FOMO has not yet been mentioned, but it is surely a driver. 

 

FOMO explains brief spikes and individual outlier sales. FOMO absolutely does not explain demand for everything.

On 2/12/2024 at 6:57 AM, lostboys said:

Its not simply supply and demand.

Yes, it simply is. Supply AND demand.

On 2/7/2024 at 5:56 PM, newshane said:

I'd refer you back to my post above. I gave reasons why books are considered important (keys).

No, you gave reasons why books may have more relative demand (and therefore more value), some of which do not make keys. That is relevant to the thread question in that it's not only keys that are worth more than average issues, but the assertion that all those things make keys is incorrect.

Being popular is not important. Don't cut the head off the statue.

On 2/10/2024 at 8:16 AM, Mokiguy said:

there are many different opinions about what makes a comic valuable

The only thing that makes a comic valuable is demand being higher than supply. Demand may only be higher than perceived supply and there are many different reasons that could cause that demand, but that is it. Period.

Once again, you have failed to understand this very basic concept.

That means there aren't any Grader Notes. There's no guarantee that any book will have them and notes on 9.8s are exceedingly rare.

On 2/3/2024 at 10:14 AM, Mokiguy said:

So if any of you want to comment, please do because I really don't get it.

Yeah, we already know that. Unfortunately, all this thread has proven is that you are apparently incapable of understanding even this very simple concept.

On 2/5/2024 at 3:08 PM, newshane said:

In the simplest terms:

Scarcity is not the only metric by which the value of a comic is determined. 

You also have to consider demand. 

"Key issues" are worth more because they are in demand.

Exactly.

On 2/5/2024 at 3:08 PM, newshane said:

There are several reasons why an issue could be considered a key:

No, there is only one: importance. Things like scarcity and popularity may increase value, but they don't make keys.

On 1/15/2024 at 10:11 AM, srezvan said:

I was able to track down a copy of Rise of Apocalypse #1 Interactive Edition. There are more differences than just the back cover. Most of the interior advertisements are also different. I've included below some photos of the Direct Edition and Marvel Interactive Edition. In the photos, the Direct Edition is on the left or top, and the Marvel Interactive Edition is on the right or bottom.

So this is actually a special edition reprint and not a variant? Good to know.

On 1/1/2024 at 7:37 PM, Gambold Vintage said:

Maybe they want to preserve their comics better than bags and boards.

Well, since slabs don't accomplish that, even completely ignoring that the comics will have to be subjected to the hazards of shipping to be slabbed...

On 1/1/2024 at 8:17 PM, Gambold Vintage said:

>because they care more about bonus checks, paid vacations, stock options, pleasing executives and Board members (not this Board) than they care about a graded comic book.<

I'm curious how you know this.  I mean, do you know anyone who works there? Or who is on the Board or the leadership team? The CGC site has zero information about any of that - no names, no titles, nothing.  They do have the graders, and one of them apparently is the President of the company.  

https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/cgc-graders/

I'm just spitballing here, but I doubt that crowd of graders is getting "stock options."  I don't think CGC is a public company. 

He's talking about the people in charge, who actually have some power. Do you know who owns CGC (well, CGC's parent company CCG)?

On 1/3/2024 at 7:22 AM, Phill the Governor said:

The grading should go 9.0, 9.5 and 10.0 like normal grading should

That would be true if the original scale was numerical. It wasn't. 25 steps were shoehorned into numbers that only go up to 10.

The numbers are meaningless, except relative to each other, with higher grades obviously being represented by higher numbers.

On 12/16/2023 at 5:53 PM, AndyFish said:

CGC states that books should be reslabbed every 7 years or so don't they?

No.

On 12/16/2023 at 10:34 AM, themagicrobot said:

Isn't it all fast on its way to becoming a Ponzi Scheme? To date there are 4790 slabbed 1963 Amazing Spider-Man Number 1s listed. For a "valuable" comic it appears to be quite common. There must be raw copies out there too. However there are only 104 slabbed pence variants (and only 80 pence AF15s) and still some consider pence variants to be inferior. I'd think that they ought to be more valuable.

Rarity and value are different things.