RockMyAmadeus

If what I say offends you to the point that you need to be dismissive and disrespectful, darkstar, though I have done nothing to you personally, why not just put me on ignore? Is the extra hostility needed?

...for now.... There are "status books" across every comic age. The easiest course of action for you is to simply resolve to not purchase a copy of this one. Then maybe it won't keep you up at night. (thumbs u -J. And, again, if you seek acceptance and "status" through material items, you are in for a frustrating time. "He who dies with the most toys, still dies." When you mock, I see "don't spoil it for us! We're going to make a killing, and who do you think you are to come along and try to inject some reason in the discussion??" which is exactly what happens in every bubble, throughout history. Damn dude you've managed to take this thread completely off the rails. *I* managed...? You and others don't have any part in it...? Again, you're missing the point. It has nothing to do with this book per se, or anybody "cashing in." Where are you reading that? I haven't said anything like that. The point, again, is this: this book is a good exemplar of the irrational exuberance of the current market. There's nothing special about this book; it isn't any popular character's first appearance, it isn't a momentous occasion, it's just a rare variant. It's a cool cover...not to be doubted...but that's all it has going for it: an homage of a historic scene, mashing up two popular characters. When any market spends exuberant amounts of money for an item just because it is rare, that's a classic sign that the market is in a period of irrationality. Except that it doesn't. And there's no need to continually pimp different books with your irrational exuberance, painting a picture that, at best, isn't accurate (as you have done many times), and, at worst, is damaging to anyone who may believe you. There's more than enough irrational exuberance on this board. There needs to be a balance, so that the picture is accurately portrayed. You may not care about people being damaged, as happened in the last crash (and....please note...I'm not saying a crash is imminent, coming, or even likely)....but I certainly do. As always, we are free to post what we wish, within the rules of this board.

...for now.... There are "status books" across every comic age. The easiest course of action for you is to simply resolve to not purchase a copy of this one. Then maybe it won't keep you up at night. (thumbs u -J. And, again, if you seek acceptance and "status" through material items, you are in for a frustrating time. "He who dies with the most toys, still dies." When you mock, I see "don't spoil it for us! We're going to make a killing, and who do you think you are to come along and try to inject some reason in the discussion??" which is exactly what happens in every bubble, throughout history.

PS...I was posting in the Modern forum for years before you ever joined the board, "Official" (that sounds rather presumptuous, does it not...? Am I the "official" RMA...? )

And which thread would that be...? Because that would, of course, be contrary to my consistent attitude over a decade on this board, and elsewhere. You'll not find such a thing, and if you do...it's because you are reading something wrong. Must you always have everything spelled out for you all the time? See Oakman's sigline for more info. And who's stopping them? The answer is no one. Everyone is free to comment as they please, and, more importantly, to disregard and ignore as they please. Right. There were no "limited print run" books in the early 90's. Oh, wait.... How does your head fit through the door? I haven't had a laugh like this in a while. Sorry Modern Forum, you've been invaded... You equate certitude with "ego", and so you mock, because you are afraid to have a reasonable discussion, with reasonable concerns addressed in a reasonable manner. Is that not so? So, I'll ask again...to which thread are you referring that is a "giant what I collect rules, and what you collect sucks"? Be a reasonable man and support your claims with proof. Or don't. Your choice.

...for now....

And which thread would that be...? Because that would, of course, be contrary to my consistent attitude over a decade on this board, and elsewhere. You'll not find such a thing, and if you do...it's because you are reading something wrong. Must you always have everything spelled out for you all the time? See Oakman's sigline for more info. And who's stopping them? The answer is no one. Everyone is free to comment as they please, and, more importantly, to disregard and ignore as they please. Right. There were no "limited print run" books in the early 90's. Oh, wait....

In trophy cases? Love it or be bothered by it there are five or six modern variants that got hot and, even after being out for a few years, haven't stopped. This is one of them. There's also that wolverine 1, the 667 dell'otto, then to a lesser extent uxm 510 pyslocke sketch, and siege 3, and that Nabisco wolverine. That's less than ten books out of the thousands and thousands of variants that get released a year. Why this one or that one ? Who knows. But the fact that those books caught lightning in a bottle does not foretell doom for the hobby. Some books just click. -J. You're talking about a book which didn't exist 4 years ago. Must I say more? ("No, but that's never stopped you before, RMA.") No one is "bothered" by it. What you don't seem to realize is that many of us have gone through some gut-wrenching lows in this industry, and don't want to see others go through the same thing. However....if you're intent on being offended that anyone would suggest there are wiser things on which to spend one's money at the present time, by all means...don't let anyone stop you.

Don't in the cornflakes. It will be so much more fun to laugh at all the "I wish I sold mine before it became a $100 book" posts. A few people were saying the same thing in the Fall of 2012 when it was $900 in 9.8. -J. $900, $5000, $1,000,000, none of that matters. It's all built on a foundation of nothingness. The book isn't worth that kind of money, and the only reason it sells for that kind of money is because GIMME GIMME GIMME!!! And when the bottom falls out, then what? If YOU bought it for $900 and sold it for $5,000, YAY! You won the lottery of comics! Congrats! Now what about all the OTHER "$900 comics" that aren't worth $300 today? Oh, right, we don't talk about those.... A couple dealers and original owners are capitalizing on a book that got hot. Your point ? Would you prefer if nobody sold any copies at all? Or do the two people selling a copy now seem "greedy" to you. What about the other 80 or so people who own a slab that haven't sold, despite the run up, thus causing the shortage in available supply and the spike in prices for what has become a "trophy book" of sorts ? I suppose you would feel they should be commended for their restraint. -J. You have missed the point. What I would prefer is for the market to be stable and diversified as much as possible. Where you got "greedy" from, I don't know, but I suspect it's a projection on your part. If the market was stable and diversified, I wouldn't care if the book was a million dollars. But, as is quite obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes, the market is anything BUT stable and diversified, and instability is dangerous. And..."trophy book"...? It's a comic book. Most of the world doesn't care (not that they should.) But...it's a comic book. If you're seeking status and acceptance from others because you own a particular comic book, you're going to be very frustrated in life.

You should probably stop calling other members out for creating redundant threads when you insist on making market crash comments over and over again. I'd have to see your evidence of what constitutes "over and over again", because 3-4 comments on the topic in a month doesn't seem to fit your parameters. And I'm pretty sure there's a substantial difference between starting a thread on a topic for which multiple other threads already exist, and making a comment in one...not to mention, the context itself. I'm pretty sure there's quite a huge difference between the two. I could be wrong. But I promise I won't complain about your posting habits, if you promise not to complain about mine. Oh, and vikingreed wasn't "called out."

...except there's not 1 million copies of the book. -J. No, and there weren't 1 million copies of the books that were selling for ridiculous money in 1993, either. "Ridiculous" is subjective. No, not really. $150 for a Harby #1 in 1993 was pretty ridiculous. Oh please. Maybe 10% of this board "buys what they like", especially in modern. The other 90% are looking for the next score. Well, by all means, go continue it over there...wherever "there" is, because I haven't started any threads about an "impending crash."

Don't in the cornflakes. It will be so much more fun to laugh at all the "I wish I sold mine before it became a $100 book" posts. A few people were saying the same thing in the Fall of 2012 when it was $900 in 9.8. -J. $900, $5000, $1,000,000, none of that matters. It's all built on a foundation of nothingness. The book isn't worth that kind of money, and the only reason it sells for that kind of money is because GIMME GIMME GIMME!!! And when the bottom falls out, then what? If YOU bought it for $900 and sold it for $5,000, YAY! You won the lottery of comics! Congrats! Now what about all the OTHER "$900 comics" that aren't worth $300 today? Oh, right, we don't talk about those.... Actually I bought it for $30. in September, so yeah it's like I won the lottery and I needed wheels again so I sold it for a good cause. Ok, but I was responding to Jay. If you managed to convince someone to pay you big money for the book, congratulations. I, too, have no problem taking advantage of this utterly irrational exuberance. You know what was a "status book" in 1990? Spiderman Platinum #1. Some people paid $500....in 1990 dollars...for a copy. The only people who have ever, in 25 years, recouped their money were people who were lucky enough to get a 9.8, which wasn't a "thing" back then. How's about 1991? What was the "it" book of that year? New Mutants #87. Everyone, but EVERYONE had to have one...gimme gimme gimme! The book sold on a regular basis for $100. Then we come to 1992. By the summer, it was all about Valiant, and then....Superman #75 (uh oh, there I go again.) The Platinum Supes #75...again, $500 IF you could find one. 1993? How about Valiant golds for $100+? How about Ultraverse holograms for $50? How about every variant possible for $50+? Wildcats #1 Gold, $100. Adventures of Supes #500 Plat $250. Batman #492 Plat for $150. The madness was unending. How about 1994? Oh, yes, Gen 13 and Lady Death. $100 for Lady Death #1. $50 for Gen 13 1/2. It all came back down, and came back down hard, because: crash. Now, we're starting to recover, but if you paid those prices back then, you have never, ever recovered. So, what to do now? If you like it, and you have the money, buy it. If it makes you happy, that trumps everything. If you're looking to flip it, run away. You never know when the music stops an you're left holding the bag. If you're looking to invest - If you'd like it, but you don't have the money...wait. Will it come back down? Maybe. History says yes. Will it continue to go up, up, up forever? Will it be a $50,000 book? $100k? $500k? Hey....anything's possible, right? (PS. Seriously, do you realize how crazy it sounds to be talking about a "status" comic book...? )

so the census is low because no one wanted to bother paying the slabbing fee Can I be rich too? Well... MGNs were, and are, a pain in the arse to store, and lug around. They are heavy as hell. Because of their magazine size, not a lot were saved in any great numbers in high grade. I suspect that, due to their obscene initial costs ($4.95 and $5.95, when comics were 60 cents!), that 95% or more were saved...but not very many would remain in 9.6-9.8 type condition. Plus, they're magazines for sub purposes, and mags cost a fortune to grade relative to comics.

I'm RICH! (Print run for MGN #4 was probably in the 100-200k range.)

Don't in the cornflakes. It will be so much more fun to laugh at all the "I wish I sold mine before it became a $100 book" posts. A few people were saying the same thing in the Fall of 2012 when it was $900 in 9.8. -J. $900, $5000, $1,000,000, none of that matters. It's all built on a foundation of nothingness. The book isn't worth that kind of money, and the only reason it sells for that kind of money is because GIMME GIMME GIMME!!! And when the bottom falls out, then what? If YOU bought it for $900 and sold it for $5,000, YAY! You won the lottery of comics! Congrats! Now what about all the OTHER "$900 comics" that aren't worth $300 today? Oh, right, we don't talk about those....

...except there's not 1 million copies of the book. -J. No, and there weren't 1 million copies of the books that were selling for ridiculous money in 1993, either.

I have about 8 copies of B&B #44....they're in superb VF-ish condition, with one exception... ...their front covers are all torn off. It's a shame, really, because they were all very nice copies before they were remaindered. Ah well. Hey, I can't complain, they were $1 each in 1998-1999, so....

No, it's not feeling like 1993.... Not at ALL...

What sale? It's a BIN. There's no sale guaranteed. Why people are paying ridiculous sums of money for Franklin Mint variants that are guaranteed to lose value, and ignore far more proven books, with a much longer track record, I have no idea.

The fact that we're even discussing events of the 70's, in the context of "Copper Age", shows how strange it is to set it back that far. Clearly, many books were "Bronze" feel well into the 80's.

I love B&B #34, and partly because it's one of the few old style 10 centers with a MAR cover date. In fact, they changed to "Still 10c" in the middle of that month's (Dec 60-Jan 61) run.

ROM!!

Early 60's DCs are quite scarce in very high grade, but the good news is, there are not insubstantial amounts sitting in raw collections out there. They will show up...eventually. But yes, until about 1962/3, DCs are an absolute bear to find in high grade. Hardly anyone saved them that way. Lots of low grade copies...not so much the highs. And, it's hard to compare a late 1960 DC, like B&B #34, with a book like DD #1, a 1964 book, and the last of the "first wave" SA Marvels. The difference between those three+ years in collecting mentality is absolutely staggering.

That guy/girl needs braces.