RockMyAmadeus

A note might be sent to Balent, and maybe Harshen. These people are supposed to represent CGC.

All caught up!

I was the first to reply! That is a funny thread. Classic Dice. I miss his posts. A lot of classic posters that have been replaced by less interesting noobs. Ah well, such is the nature of message boards. Far, FAR less interesting, and far, FAR more snotty. Thinking they can take on RMA...? Who the hell do they think they are...? :shrug: Oh well. There are some bright spots. That AITA guy is awesome. That W16726 guy is looking promising, as is that wombat guy. We'll see how they play out. You'd think posting this publicly would be risky, but this is essentially just a PM that everyone can see and post in. No one checks it out unless they're Shelley lovers, or just bored.

I was the first to reply! That is a funny thread. Classic Dice. Now that Dice is Lucius Malfoy, he hasn't been posting near as much. I wonder if I can be a mod on the Azkaban boards...?

Did you just your own post...?

Dam him?? That will require a lot of resources. Maybe wall him up in the crawl space and see if you like the results. KGBeast, baby!

Yet telemarketers are not obverse at calling you 5 times a day. I'm ditching a bank I deal with because they gave my number to another company. Bastards. Obverse? That's an effrontery! Heads should roll!

Not to make light of the situation, but I was openly mocked (mocked, I tell you!) when I suggested that natural disasters account for a not-inconsiderable amount of attrition for collectibles, including comics.. Nice to see some real life confirmation. Nice books, too! Sorry about your Katrina loss. I'm sure that was awful.

I wish this thread would stop bullying everyone.

I double dog dare you. I can't think of a single reason. But I do know this...real men don't stop with magazine cutouts and varnish...they go on to plaster of paris and acrylics. Picasso was a frustrated decoupageist.

Yes, folks have suggested that it is "rare". I am suggesting that the primary (if not only) reason the second printing has value is because of a mistaken perception of "rarity" that is based entirely on what is currently on the census. Very little from the copper age is actually "rare", and the second printing of asm 361 certainly is not, as evidenced by the 10-20 raw copies that are readily available at anytime. -J. Nobody has said what you are suggesting. I'll explain it again: the market is driven by supply AND demand. It is one thing to say "don't go crazy over this, because it's not really going to be that hard to find:"...but that's only part of what fuels demand, and may not be a factor in any particular person's reasoning for buying it. You have said, over and over again, that "very little form the copper age is actually rare"...and you are quite correct. But we are discussing relative situations, in the Copper Age forum. You could say "well, compared to Blood Is The Harvest, nothing from the copper age is rare"...and you would be correct....but most folks understand this, and it needn't be said over and over again. This is an absolute fact: Amazing Spiderman #361 second print is less common, in all grades, than the first print. Because of production questions, it is also much less common in very high grade. This will always be true, barring some bizarre attrition situation regarding the first print (that would likely also affect the second), because the print run for second prints has *always* (with very few exceptions) been smaller, by their very nature. That all said...the second printing of 361 in 9.8 has value because people value it. If it is valued solely because of a "misperception of availability", that will correct itself over time. And that's obviously not the case, even without that "correction." It is a legitimate variant to an important key in the Amazing Spiderman series. and it's less likely to have survived in ultra high grade than the first prints, for the reasons already mentioned. It assumes that there are hordes of raw copies, just waiting to be slabbed, and that's not necessarily true. How long must someone wait...? The spike in price for #301 happened because people got tired of waiting for all those raw 9.8s to show up.

Newbs. Gotta love 'em.

Because more corrected labels weren't the result of the flood of CGC 9.8 copies and 9.8 floods from CGC never drive down prices (regardless of any issue notes on the label) and that's not the argument you're making about ASM 361 second prints? Stop trying to interrupt the legend in the making.

That is great news! It's a wonderful, rare set, and well worth the hunt. Anyone can buy Spidey...just takes money. But this...now THIS is a challenge.

Did it bring all the boys to the yard...?

I agree 100%! No logical reason. If you want to touch, smell and read... buy a rag to go along with your graded book. The only exception to his rule may be a mega key in a case where you can't afford two copies. On anther note, the argument that CGC graded books don't bring a premium is generally a bunch of . They do in most cases...especially key books. Have you ever held and paged through an ultra high grade Silver Age book? It is a wonderful experience, especially when the book is fresh. It gives you a feel for how all the books were new that a "rag" cannot. There's nothing that can mimic that experience. And...unless you have your own collection from decades ago, or magically stumble across someone else's, the only real chance you have these days to do that is with a slab that you crack. That's a pretty damn fine logical reason right there. Like fine wine, and other fine items, it is an experience that must be felt, and cannot be explained.

What is it, pull out our wee wee day...?

Whoa - lay off the wall of texts, RMA.

We have been getting $30+ for raw VF/NM or better ASM #361s for the past 4 years up here, and $40+ for the past two, with copies going for $50+ this year. It has been selling well above OSPG for the past few years. You price them high, put them out, they sell. Heck, this spring I sold my CGC 9.6 copy of #361 for $250 and 9.6 copy of #362 for $150. Pffft. You're special.

Does this mean I should revise the count on Sandman 8B's? Dammit! Yes. Duh. This is...LITERALLY...what the next generation is saying: GASP!!! YOU TOOK IT OUT OF THE SLAB!! NOW IT'S WORTHLESS!!! It's the 1990's for a new generation!

Thank you for correcting your statement, and clarifying what you meant to say. I aim to please. -J. That's good, because this says something completely different than what you originally said. I mean...I know that you believe you understand what you think you said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you said is not what you meant. Being willing to accept correction is a valuable skill. (thumbs u

This. WoS #118 contains the first appearance of Scarlet Spider. He played a pretty big role at the time and still has fans today. Also, while not a first appearance, the second print of Spider-Man 2099 #1 sells for much much more than the first print. Exactly...noted on a CGC label as first Solo clone story. And WD #33 might not be a key first appearance but a key nonetheless. It's not as random as WD #34, hence why I brought it up and offered both scenarios. Jim Web 118 isn't acknowledged as a key first appearance in any literature I have seen. Well, the answer, then, is to read more literature. You say such weird, absolutist things. Spidey #361, like most Copper books, faded into obscurity in the late 90's/early 2000's, and while not a dollar book, certainly wasn't even a $10 book until the last couple of years. As far as your claim that "the second will permanently cede its positioning to the first printing, which is the case 99.9999999% of the time"... Will you please tell me the OTHER examples that make up this "99.999999%"? What "decades of precedent" are you talking about? Later printings didn't even EXIST in mainstream comics until the late 70's, and were utterly ignored until just the last 5 years or so. Bingo! You answered your own question. (thumbs u That answered nothing. What "decades of precedent" are you referring to, where a later printing was TEMPORARILY more valuable than the first printing, then "ceded its positioning" to the first...? Hmmm...? That's your opinion. The market disagrees with you. Again. At least he is consistent. Yes I am. Consistently right. Let's see, right about hulk 181 being worth more than a cerebus 1 in a 9.2 in 2014? Check. Right, because that was the sum of the conversation, the value of Hulk #181 and Cerebus #1 in 9.2 in 2014. Check. I predict the sun will set in the west today. Hey look, I was right! Check. I think there are only 6000 copies of New Mutants #98 still in existence, because there are 5742 on the census, and less than 250 raw copies for sale on eBay. Ipso, facto, 6,000 or less verifiable copies. Prove me wrong. Go ahead. Prove it. Check. I predict that the next minute on the clock will be within 60 seconds of this one. Look! I was right! Check. No one disagreed with you on this point. We're all winners! Check. Making up all sorts of very carefully tailored statements to "prove" that I was right about everything I've ever posted? Check.

I prefer to wait for the Cliff Notes version. et tu, part the second, Hokie...?

Thank you for correcting your statement, and clarifying what you meant to say.

This. WoS #118 contains the first appearance of Scarlet Spider. He played a pretty big role at the time and still has fans today. Also, while not a first appearance, the second print of Spider-Man 2099 #1 sells for much much more than the first print. Exactly...noted on a CGC label as first Solo clone story. And WD #33 might not be a key first appearance but a key nonetheless. It's not as random as WD #34, hence why I brought it up and offered both scenarios. Jim Web 118 isn't acknowledged as a key first appearance in any literature I have seen. Well, the answer, then, is to read more literature. You say such weird, absolutist things. Spidey #361, like most Copper books, faded into obscurity in the late 90's/early 2000's, and while not a dollar book, certainly wasn't even a $10 book until the last couple of years. As far as your claim that "the second will permanently cede its positioning to the first printing, which is the case 99.9999999% of the time"... Will you please tell me the OTHER examples that make up this "99.999999%"? What "decades of precedent" are you talking about? Later printings didn't even EXIST in mainstream comics until the late 70's, and were utterly ignored until just the last 5 years or so. Bingo! You answered your own question. (thumbs u That answered nothing. What "decades of precedent" are you referring to, where a later printing was TEMPORARILY more valuable than the first printing, then "ceded its positioning" to the first...? Hmmm...? That's your opinion. The market disagrees with you. Again. At least he is consistent. Consistently wrong is a TYPE of consistency......