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Agreed, this is an A page. The other theoretic page would be considered an A+ page in my opinion.

Yes, C would be pages that are placeholders, which is what you seem to be describing (no main character, not an important story, etc.). Seems like a really good deal, but when you say the "original series" I'm not sure what you mean. Let us know what issue number and artist. The high prices for Sandman are really dependent on story arc and artist, and then content within that.

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Great info, you two. I think lowering it to 50K+ makes sense. Will do that for now and see if others would like to chime in.

Well, yes, consensus "appears" to be over 60K for that kind of page, which would be an A page from the run. These can come down if subsequent sales don't support those values. Personally, I think they should level off around 50K+, but right now they are in the higher tier. Where are you getting 80K from? That would be an A+ page probably according to what people are saying so far. If you think it's too high, please put your comments and rationale in a post, including price points (private or public) and I'm happy to move it to whatever tier the consensus arrives at. Granted, the run up on ASM ASM/SM is very recent, so it's not as validated as some of the others.

This thread has nothing to do with past or future, it's about what the values are presently. Where are prices by artist/run right now. Some may go down, some may go up - granted the majority of popular art appears to keep going up right now. Whatever people want to do with the data is up to them.

OK, moved Heck 2Up Avengers / TOS / X-Men to 5-10K.

Dave, so what Heck should be bumped to 5-10K? LMK and I'll include. And are we saying we should add Ditko TOS somewhere?

Good points, do we have any sales? Heck is not anywhere on our list yet, so we definitely have to include him.

Great info. I have moved up the 2Up Colan art (both DD and TOS/IM) to 10-20K based on those confirmed sales. Added a Colan regular size category to the 5-10K range. This makes a lot of sense, and I'm glad we have fleshed out the Colan market.

Thanks, and please do keep track of sales and LMK if things seem to be changing on anything here. In our list, we have Colan TOS and 2Up Iron Man at the 5-10K range. I would imagine all the TOS pages are 2Up, but are there separate early-run IM pages that are 2Up? Should these all be bumped up? Howa bout Colan Cap? Where does that go?

Thanks, and call me Hari. I don't know the Crow market, but with a lot of art cherished and in limited supply it may be exceedingly hard to pry art out of the few collections that have held them for years. I have a lot of Miracleman, Grendel, and a few other comparable characters and what it would take to get them out of my collection vs. what they would fetch at auction may be two different things. In general, you'll probably have to pay significantly more to get it out of me, because I myself would pay higher than FMV to get them myself! With that said, I would not be surprised at the prices you are quoting. Let's hear what others say, if there are any experts on the Crow mini-series market. I'll add him to the 3-5K for now, but consensus might vote to bump it up.

I mean really there are only few options: it's a fake/recreation (or authenticity too questioned), consigner pulled it back, consigner sold it privately, Fischler/Zurzolo kept it for themselves. In all cases, you won't hear anything for a while.

One of my favorite covers off the rack, and have it as part of my collection, but doesn't this not qualify since it's a major book?

Thanks Bill. We were waiting for those price points in the HA to see where to go. I will drop it down for now. This is where we look at the list and shake our heads how Cinfa Flash can be so low. And of course, that's how they start going up too LOL.

New York shows definitely had it all. I saw all those books back then but alas I didn't have much money. I was able to get the Grendel issues and Primer 2, but not Albedo 2 for a while. I had copies of TMNT 2 and up but could never snag a first (or even second) print TMNT 1. I had only the smaller sized 3rd print. Another really hot book back then was the DKR signed and limited number hardcover. Haven't seen that for sale in a long time, but it was super-cool.

Question: Do people think our tier for Ditko Dr. Strange is accurate or should drop to 80K+? The page on HA sold for 55K, but maybe that was a B page. Thoughts?

And this is where I'm out of my element. Mark, I agree with you. Safer to just have "those in the know" understand that the Austin inks on that issue make them A+ pages. I'll drop it back down. You are correct, key issues will always be higher and people have to just understand those exceptions. I will adjust the intro "key" to discuss what an A+ page is in more detail.

I suspect it's the Cap (tryout, acrobat) presence in that book that bumped it up. My guess is that makes it a special case outlier A+ page for some.

I believe the correct term is "tracer" LOL Courtesy, Chasing Amy

This sounds fair. ok.

Wow, great data points! Ok, will keep it where it is for now. But, we are getting quite close to the next tier for sure!

So, I guess the question is whether Neal Adams Avengers have moved up to the same as X-Men (20-30K), leaving GL and Batman pages in the 10-20K range. Looks like heading in that direction. I'm a little hesitant but if others confirm I'm happy to move up for now. Trust me, I'm willing to push things down as much as push things up, so these can continue to be mutable as new prices are realized.