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Hi Luca, Thanks for the analysis! I have a Bachalo Death A-level page that I've been offered over 10K, so I can confirm that value on the market too. I didn't sell. Also, I want to clarify that the range doesn't mean the every artist/title in that bracket starts at the bottom of the range and goes up to the top of the range; rather it means that the A page will on average fall somewhere in that range. It may be toward the bottom or toward the top, but over time as it escalates (or goes down), it may go to the next tier or drop a tier. These ranges are meant to be guides. Collectors and sellers are still going to have to do some research on where to price/value their page, based on what actually makes an A level page for that artist on that title : is it the inker, the main character on the page, storyline, content on that page, villain present, or other factors. So, this list basically is just to get people in the ballpark, which in and of itself is quite helpful but certainly not everything!

Sounds like that's a tie breaker! I feel the same. Will update.

Agree. Most legit people would update the date somewhere on the second printing to avoid all confusion, or label them as 2nd printing. Even if you didn't want to mess up the original art, you could have easily used an overlay to print "2nd printing" on them and then taken the overlay off. Chuck mentions some subtle differences, but truth be told it would have been easy and more legitimate (and above suspicion) to make it overtly obvious. I don't know Kevin Eastman, and it sounds like he is wonderful man who wouldn't want to jeopardize the market or his reputation, so why not make it obvious?

Had it there and Gene mentioned maybe lower, on the basis of few/no sales recently. Anyone else want to chime in? I would favor 10-20K too although at the low end of that range I would think. This is also based on the fact that they have to be more than Silvestri, Portacio, etc. but probably less than Lee, Cockrum, etc. Thoughts?

Sounds a little dangerous for owners of the original printing. How do we know that none of the second printings were sold as first printings? The quality of these "prelim" "books" was so poor that they are much easier to counterfeit I would think. That always made me hesitant about why these books would be anywhere near the value of TMNT #1 in the overstreet listing and in public/private sales. That's why I never really considered them the first appearances and wonder about their true value.

You're welcome! Hopefully it brings some semblance of sense to the OA universe

For Hulk 5 and 6, I assume? How about for the TTA run?

Uh, this is proving hard enough LOL

Question: Where should we put Ditko Hulk pages? Several have sold over the years. You can see where we put the Kirby issue pages above. More or less?

Just updated the list for today including all the information so far. Let's hear more discussion, criticism, skepticism, additions, edits, and other information. Happy New Year everyone!

This list is one of consensus, like wikipedia. If people have problem with the list and values, we should hash them out here and a consensus should develop over time. This is not what I think the values are, this is what WE think the values are. Call me out if something seems wrong, or I didn't get the consensus right. It will only be a good guide as the input we get. That's also the only way it will work on art that hasn't seen enough or many public sales (private sales count if others find it believable and something they would pay themselves). So, I encourage everyone to question anything that seems high or low and let others then chime in. Then I move it up or down, or keep it where it is based on the responses.

They are on the list.

And are the Capullo/McF pages the ones that have hit the 3-5K mark? If so, I will amend.

My sense here is we often have to see what the secondary market does. Sometimes it goes up, sometimes down.

Thanks buddy. Nice comments. Was waiting for people to mention DD 1 and Avengers 1. It's hard to know where to put them without firm data, but will update the list with them and see what people think. Your data on Zeck as usual is very helpful. The BWS X pages only a few albeit stellar prices, I put it in the 40K plus until it shows reproducibility.

Had it lower but someone suggested moving it up. Like a wiki page it’ll eventually be correct as we have more eyes commenting. Agree we might as well wait for those hammers and then adjust as needed.

This is so true. For example people only wanted Byrne X-men for a while but now everything else he did has gone up. It was all good! Just some runs more popular with higher demand. That’s what these lists over time show us.

Everyone, I went ahead and started a Part 2 thread on this topic with the new updated list. This way we can leave this thread and I can update the other newer thread over time while keeping the updated valuations pinned to the first post forever. That way it's easy to see what the new consensus is. Please go over there and continue discussing on that thread. We should ALL thank Lago32 for this idea in 2014!

DONE: Started a new thread.

Hi everyone, hats off to Lago32 for the initial idea in 2014, and to Alxjhnsn for this idea to create an all-new thread so I can keep this at the top of the thread and update over time, while keeping the original valuations from 2014 on the other thread. I have also reorganized in alphabetical order. Please post comments below, and I will keep updating. The ranges are what an A level Panel Page would value. In the definitions, we define A page and also art above and below this level. DEFINITIONS Covers or Pages that Transcend Artist/Run (eg. major first app) are 3 to 6X A+, an Exceptional Page (top 5%, eg. key story, battle page, key character app) is 1.5 to 2X A , a Special Keeper Page (top 20%, eg. little need to upgrade, "classic" example from run/story) is 1X B, a Nice Representative Example (top 50%, eg. solid, recognizable) is 0.5 to 0.75X C, a Placeholder / Might Upgrade (bottom 50%, eg. would like to upgrade if possible) is 0.25 to 0.40X VALUES FOR "A" PAGES, UPDATED 02/07/2021 Above $150K Bolland - Killing Joke Above $125k Ditko - Amazing Spider-Man Above $100k Ditko – Dr. Strange Kirby - X-Men #1 Miller - DKR Wrightson - Frankenstein plates Above $80k Everett - Daredevil #1 Romita Sr - ASM 2Up Above $60k Ditko - Incredible Hulk #6 Kirby - Incredible Hulk / FF 2Up / Avengers #1 Above $50k Byrne – UXM BWS – Weapon X McFarlane – ASM / Spider-Man Above $40k Gibbons – Watchmen Miller – 300 / DD 1st run / Wolverine Limited Romita – ASM Regular Size Ware – Jimmy Corrigan $30-40k Ditko - TTA Hulk Frazetta - Creepy (Werewolf story) Kirby – X-Men / Avengers / TOS / FF Reg Size / Silver Surfer Miller - Ronin Steranko - X-Men / Strange Tales / Nick Fury / Captain America Wrightson - Swamp Thing $20-30k Adams, N – X-Men Buscema, J – Silver Surfer Cockrum - X-Men 1st run Dringenberg – Sandman Kieth - Sandman Kirby – JIM Larsen - ASM / MCP / Spider-Man Leach – Marvelman / Miracleman Lee - UXM / XM / Batman (Hush) Lloyd - V for Vendetta McKean - Arkham Asylum Moebius – Silver Surfer Russel, PC - Sandman Starlin - 1970s Marvel Cosmic Totleben - Miracleman Vess - Sandman Wood - Daredevil $10-20k Adams, N - Batman / Avengers / GL Andru - ASM Bachalo - Sandman / Death Bissette/Totleben - Swamp Thing Bolland - Judge Dredd Buscema, J - Avengers 1st run BWS – Conan / X-Men / Iron Man / Avengers Byrne – FF / Iron Fist / Avengers 1st run Charest – X-Men/Wildcats one-shot Cockrum - X-Men 2nd run Clowes – Eightball, others Colan - Daredevil 2Up / TOS Iron Man 2Up Ditko - TOS Iron Man Everett - Golden Age work Frazetta - Thun’da / others Gibbons - Superman Annual #11 Golden - Dr Strange / Avengers Annual #10 Jones, K - Sandman Kane/Sprang - Batman 2Up Kane - ASM Kirby - 1960s Captain America / Strange Tales / Tales to Astonish / Thor / 70s Marvel work Liefeld - New Mutants / X-Force Lim – Infinity Gauntlet / SS / Thanos Quest Mazzucchelli - Daredevil (Born Again) McFarlane - Hulk Mignola - Hellboy Miller - Sin City / Elektra Lives Again Moore – Silver Surfer Black Perez – Infinity Gauntlet Rogers - Detective Comics Ross - Marvels / Kingdom Come Sienkiewicz - Elektra: Assassin Smith, P - UXM Starlin - Death of Captain Marvel Thompson – Sandman Turner - Superman/Batman Zeck – Kraven’s Last Hunt $5-10k Adams, A - Longshot / X-Men Annual #14 / Fantastic Four Adams, N – Deadman Bolland – Camelot 3000 Brunner - Dr Strange / HTD Buscema, S – PPTSS (1st run) / Avengers / Hulk BWS - Machine Man Byrne - Captain America / Alpha Flight / Marvel Team Up Campbell – From Hell Capullo - Batman Colan - Daredevil / Iron Man / Cap (all regular size) Davis - Marvelman / Miracleman Ditko - Warren work Eastman & Laird - TMNT and related Everett - 1970s work Gulacy - MOKF (Gulacy inks) Heck – Avengers / TOS / X-Men (all 2Up) Kaluta – Shadow Kieth - Marvel Comics Presents Kirby - 1970s DC work Kubert, J - Hawkman / war art 2up Mazzucchelli - Daredevil (pre-Born Again) Miller - ASM Annual Moore - Walking Dead O’Neill – LOEG Perez/Marcos - Avengers 1st run Perez - New Teen Titans / Crisis on Infinite Earths / FF / JLA Romita Jr - 1980s ASM / 1980s UXM / 1980s Daredevil Sale – The Long Halloween / Dark Victory Sekowsky - JLA 2up (Crisis issues) Sienkiewicz – Moon Knight / New Mutants Silvestri - UXM / Wolverine Simonson - Thor (non-Simonson inks) Smith, P – Dr. Strange Stevens – Rocketeer Swan - Superman 2up / Whatever Happened to Man of Tomorrow Wrightson - Warren work Zeck – Punisher / Secret Wars $3-5k Adlard - Walking Dead Aparo - 1970s Batman Bagley - ASM Bisley – Lobo (1st series) Buckingham - Miracleman Buscema/Alcala - Savage Sword of Conan Campbell, JS – Gen 13/DangerGirl Capullo - Spawn (McF inks) Charest – Wildcats Dillon – Preacher Ezquerra - Judge Dredd Frenz - ASM Giffen – LOS Great Darkness Gulacy - MOKF (other inkers) Hernandez - Love and Rockets (first 50 issues) Infantino - Flash 2up Jones - Batman Kane - Atom 2up / Green Lantern 2up Kubert, Adam - Wolverine Kubert, Andy - X-Men Lee – Wildcats Madureira – X-Men Murphy - White Knight O'Barr - Crow Portacio – X-Men Ploog - Werewolf by Night / Ghost Rider Quesada – Daredevil Quitely – Invisibles Risso - 100 Bullets Simonson – X-Factor Wood/Ingels/Kurtzman/Davis - EC work Zeck - Captain America

We can probably have Felix comment if he shows up.... since he sold a bunch of the pages and probably knows the market.

I thought about the inker aspect, but again would be inherent in what makes it an A panel page. On some runs, a less important inker would drop it to a B page. Kirby Sinnott FF is an A page, but the content might push it to A+. Without Sinnott, most pages would struggle to be an A page. At least that's how I'm interpreting the role of the inker. As for Kane, I'm not personally sure it matters much anymore. He has evolved as a great ASM artist on his own, with or without Romita Sr IMO.

Hey Dave. I think this is all inherent to what an A panel page is, no? One would assume an A page has Spidey on it. Probably an A+ page is the one that's a battle page between Spidey and a major villain. We try to imply content based on the rating otherwise we will be here all day on every single artist/title.

What range would you suggest?

Please suggest/support price ranges. What are your thoughts?