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Yes, but we need people to suggest and support price ranges please .... ahem.

Great discussion! I will update the list tonight after more comments and see what people think. Let's keep building consensus on pricing. I agree Kirby seems high and we need to add Sienkiewicz. Also agree about splitting out Byrne art, but are we saying Alpha Flight is higher or lower than the others? As for dropping or keeping the 3-5K range, I think it's important to keep it, if for no other reason than for people to see what is relatively affordable yet still in demand. Thanks everyone! Happy New Year!!

UPDATED LIST, COURTESY OF MYSELF, DELEKKERSTE, DICKO., and STINKININKIN (Hari, Gene, Richard and Scott). Please don't make changes on this. Let us know your thoughts on what should go up, go down, or be added in, and I can collate and update the list as we move forward. That way, if people see me posting a new list they will know I pulled the consensus together into a new one. The idea from when we first created this in 2014 was that A pages are a good marker to then be able to extrapolate up to A+ pages and covers, but also down to B and even C pages potentially. So, these values do not mean that every page by the author on that run/issue will hit this level, but the top 20-25% or so (the A pages) would. And the truly rare top 5% would be the A+ pages. And the rest would fall probably down a tier or two in price bracket. Above $150K Bolland - Killing Joke Above $125k Ditko - Amazing Spider-Man Above $100k Wrightson - Frankenstein plates Kirby - X-Men #1 Ditko – Dr. Strange Miller - DKR Above $80k Kirby – FF 2Up Romita – ASM 2Up Above $60k Kirby - Incredible Hulk McFarlane – ASM / Spider-Man Byrne – X-Men Above $40k Ware – Jimmy Corrigan Romita – ASM Regular Size Gibbons – Watchmen Miller – 300 / DD main run / Wolverine Limited BWS – Weapon X $30-40k Kirby – X-Men / JIM / Avengers Frazetta - Creepy (Werewolf story) Kirby - Tales of Suspense / FF small art / Silver Surfer Steranko - X-Men / Strange Tales / Nick Fury Miller - Ronin $20-30k Wood - Daredevil Cockrum - X-Men 1st run Wrightson - Swamp Thing Neal Adams – X-Men Totleben - Miracleman McKean - Arkham Asylum Lloyd - V for Vendetta Kieth - Sandman Dringenberg – Sandman Leach - Miracleman Starlin - 1970s Marvel Cosmic Larsen - ASM / MCP / Spider-Man Buscema – Silver Surfer Jim Lee - UXM / XM / Batman (Hush) $10-20k Miller - Sin City Neal Adams - Batman / Avengers / GL Kane/Sprang - Batman 2Up Frazetta - Thun’da / others Bolland - Judge Dredd Everett - Golden Age work BWS - Conan Clowes – Eightball, others Mignola - Hellboy Ross - Marvels / Kingdom Come Golden - Dr Strange / Avengers Annual #10 Kirby - 1960s Captain America / Tales to Astonish / Thor John Buscema - Avengers 1st run Rogers - Detective Comics Mazzucchelli - Daredevil (Born Again) Zeck – Kraven’s Last Hunt BWS – X-Men Byrne – FF Gibbons - Superman Annual #11 Bachalo - Sandman / Death Lim – Infinity Gauntlet / SS / Thanos Quest Perez – Infinity Gauntlet Kelley Jones - Sandman Sienkiewicz - Elektra: Assassin McFarlane - Hulk Liefeld - New Mutants / X-Force Cockrum - X-Men 2nd run Thompson - Sandman Andru - ASM Starlin - Death of Captain Marvel Turner - Superman/Batman Bissette/Totleben - Swamp Thing BWS - Iron Man / Avengers Kirby - 1970s Marvel work Charest – X-Men/Wildcats one-shot Sale – The Long Halloween $5-10k Paul Smith - UXM Swan - Superman 2up Joe Kubert - Hawkman / war art 2up Sekowsky - JLA 2up (Crisis issues) Perez/Marcos - Avengers 1st run Neal Adams - Deadman Colan - Daredevil / TOS / Iron Man 2up Swan - Superman (Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?) Kaluta - Shadow Byrne - Iron Fist / MTU / Avengers 1st run / Alpha Flight Moore - Walking Dead Zeck – Punisher Everett - 1970s work Gulacy - MOKF (Gulacy inks) Ditko - Warren work Wrightson - Warren work Miller - ASM Annual Perez - New Teen Titans / Crisis on Infinite Earths Kieth - Marvel Comics Presents Eastman & Laird - TMNT and related O’Neill – LOEG Stevens – Rocketeer Campbell – From Hell Arthur Adams - Longshot / X-Men Annual #14 / Fantastic Four Perez - FF / JLA Byrne - Captain America Brunner - Dr Strange / HTD Bolland – Camelot 3000 JRJR - 1980s ASM / 1980s UXM / 1980s Daredevil BWS - Machine Man Mazzucchelli - Daredevil (pre-Born Again) Zeck - Secret Wars / Captain America Paul Smith - Doctor Strange Silvestri - UXM / Wolverine Simonson - Thor (non-Simonson inks) Kirby - 1970s DC work $3-5k Infantino - Flash 2up Kane - Atom 2up / Green Lantern 2up Ploog - Werewolf by Night / Ghost Rider Aparo - 1970s Batman Dillon - Preacher Adlard - Walking Dead Wood/Ingels/Kurtzman/Davis - EC work Gulacy - MOKF (other inkers) Hernandez - Love and Rockets (first 50 issues) Ezquerra - Judge Dredd Quitely - Invisibles Buscema/Alcala - Savage Sword of Conan Lee – Wildcats McFarlane – Spawn Portacio – X-Men Madureira – X-Men JS Campbell – Gen 13/DangerGirl Charest - Wildcats

True, but that's probably because people didn't think panel pages are auction house -worthy. They definitely changed hands. I sold two consecutive pages privately during that time period. Bought them together for 4K. Also, the series wasn't ripe until now. There's generally a 25-30 year rule of when nostalgia, large readership, and disposable income merge together. Explains why early 90s is really hot right now (IG, WX, McSpidey, etc.).

Everything seems to be going up, so just keep collecting what you love and I'm pretty sure it'll end up on this list one day. Entering at the bottom and moving up. Sometimes things pop in and move up extremely fast. Just look at BWS Weapon X. Wasn't even on this list when we created it about 6 years ago!

You too Scott! Life and work, you know the drill! Maybe you, me and Gene can take a crack at updating this and re-posting? Is there a way to pin it somewhere if that hasn't been done before? Turns out pricing A level panel pages for top artists has been a great way to extrapolate down to B and C pages and extrapolate up to covers. Maybe we can have this somewhere on CAF too for everyone to reference. Shoot me a PM and let's catch up when you get a chance. You should have my cell, but if not I can give it to you there. Can put you, me and Gene together on a text thread to hash this out. We can definitely handle the higher end of this list, but may have to get a few people to tackle what's been newer and hot.

Market has seen exponential growth in the past year. Many of the prices need to go up quite a bit. You won't get an A level KJ page for under 120k these days. And A level Ditko ASM is hitting 6 figures now too. We should start at the top and figure out what is 100K plus, 80K plus, 60K plus, 40K plus, 20K plus, then 10-20, 5-10, 2-5. Yes, we are there now with prices. Some areas have had serious growth such as Miller (everything), the entire IG/Perez/Lim market, Watchmen A level pages, and Dark Knight. You cannot find an A level DK page these days for sure, such that they would hit 80-100K now I think. Let's get some discussion going. I've been MIA for some years, but I have some time this week. Hope my friends are all well on here!

Prices are due for a major uptick. This series is hugely important to the comic industry, has a ton of nostalgia and prices are way lower than other early appearances of major characters. They rarely come up. The recent page 7 splash was a good buy for whoever got it. And that TMNT 1 complete book solidly would deserve the 1M price tag today.

Good to know. I will contact them. That would be a nice documentary.

Hi Bill, Elementals was great. Fond memories. I have a bunch of pages and splashes.

Agreed. The 300 pages are basically all splashes too. The Frankenstein Plates are pages from a book. The 300 "pages/splashes" are also pages from a book. And since there are no multi-panel pages of either Frankenstein and 300, the valuations are relevant. In other words there are only splashes, so one knows what an A level vs. a B level comp is when we're talking about these.

Agree with this. For A level Frankenstein Plates, it is over 60K.

Surprised you didn't own mine - #75. But cool to see all the ones that have passed through your hands Mike!

I'm not surprised. IG is an incredible story and project that was widely read and brought many new readers to understand the entire Thanos saga from the 70s to that period. When you have that many readers, you will have tons of collectors with money 25 years later - the start of the peak of when those readers have money but are not yet tied down by family and l life. And that doesn't even to begin to touch on the movie tie-ins, popularity of Thanos that is only just blossoming, etc. Those of us who have been collecting cosmic art for decades have always appreciate these runs and paid mightily for the 70s art by Starlin. The IG run will reach those heights and maybe even surpass them over time. So glad I have one of the covers and some pages at this point. Bill Woo used to have four of the covers. And Albert had the other one. Not sure if they are all in the same collections now or not.

Nice to resurrect this. Interesting not too much has changed, since these are ranges. Should Miller 300 move up a notch? Wood Daredevil down a notch? Ross Kingdom Come move up a notch, and leave Marvels at the lower tier? Thoughts??

Sorry for the delay. It was the Seduction of the Innocent cover. My personal favorite of his.

True, the best covers were 50K+ about 5 years ago. Those have to be 70K+ at the very least now, and pushing closer to the 100K for the key covers. They truly are some of the prettiest pieces in person, and unique in our hobby. As Gene knows, the last cover I bought was one he alerted me to and I bought it on ebay at 55K BIN.

So what's the story? How does only half of a book get stolen? And I'm wondering what's the point of bringing all this up 15 years later after a Graphitti Edition, no police report and silence from the Miller/Varley camp? Seriously, these pages went quickly to true fans of the work - folks who would have more than likely gladly given it back to Frank if he asked. Or is this more a statement aimed at Spencer? Honestly, inquiring minds want to know.

Yup, must have been late 2003 though. I was still in Philadelphia and I left there in June 2004.

Thanks Scott! Not sure how long I'll be here - life and career pull me away a lot these days, but I'll try to stick around! I'll stick around longer if you sell me some goodies - you know my taste

Completely agree. Buscema's art is the prettiest in my opinion - some of the most graceful, smooth and elegant art on the Surfer ever. Kirby is my second favorite, but mostly for the stories and the raw energy he drew into the Surfer. The Perez IG covers are gorgeous, but I'm a bit biased.

Yes, sorry, meant Lim not Surfer! Doubt any artist is as popular as the Surfer lol!

Hey Chris, Of course without considering context Perez is the superior artist to Lim. However, Lim is the artist most associated with Silver Surfer and the Thanos Sage/IG, having dong the art on Thanos Quest, which started the modern Thanos Saga, and then all the 40-50+ issues of the regular series. Perez did 4 issues of a mini-series that basically rode the popularity of the regular series and took it to a whole new frenzy. When collectors went back and re-discovered the run and art, the Perez art commanded higher prices because Perez was the "known" rock star and Lim was not yet. Remember, Perez was drawing since the 70s and made a name in multiple runs, including Titans, Crisis, etc. by then, whereas Lim was a young kid on the block. Fast forward to the present era and, like Keown on Hulk for example, Lim is a true rock star as far as Surfer fans are concerned. Thus, we have to re-evaluate the prices in that context. Truth be told, Perez is less important to Thanos/IG than Surfer is. This being said, Perez gets a big bump because those first four covers to the limited series were simply gorgeous. He is top 5 of all time as far as covers are concerned. So, all things considered, I think both artists Thanos pages will go up and stay up. Lim will catch up, trust me. Not surprised that pages will hit 10K. Not at all. I own several nice pages, splashes and covers from both artists and love them all. And then of course there's Buscema Surfer :). Blows them all away!

I own page 25 from Issue #1, which isn't on your list. Love the Miller pencils and inks. First time he did this raw aggressive style. I remember getting the call to inquire if I wanted to buy a page from this issue, and having a choice of most pages still available. Wish I bought more, but alas I was still in training with (relatively) limited funds.

Oh I saw all that. I'm a fan! Those early covers are awesome and the most classic ones are Yeates!!