davet75

CGC 8.5 VF+

Thanks for sharing this cool book.  Issues 1 and 2 in a single huge square bound issue with a red background, I like it.  The front cover presents like a 6.0.  unfortunately, there is fairly extensive staining on the back cover and lower spine, which is graded harshly by CGC.

CGC 5.0

I see a color breaking crease behind Thor's head, top corner(s) wear with color loss, and light spine wear with color loss

6.5, could be a 7.0 on a good day

13 hours ago, marvelmaniac said:

I would say FN 6.0 is about right.

Not sure what you are showing in picture #9.

need higher res pics of the corners, spine and edges and better lighting from different angles to really determine at this high grade range.  3 tiny color breaking spine tics, minor top edge wear, slightly rounded corners

9.0

2.0

At this grade range the "8" makes little to no difference in the presence of the approx 3" cover tear, the heavy accumulation of long color breaking creases, chipping, staining and general wear.  If the "8" were removed somehow, it would improve the appearance but not affect the actual grade.  Conversely, you could probably draw another similar "8" on the cover and it would receive the exact same grade (not recommended of course!).  Still a great book!

basically there's just a heavy accumulation of non-color breaking cover wear, bends and creases with no other defects

6.0 /6.5 as is

with a press, this could easily hit 8.0 and possibly higher.  perfect press candidate.

Major defects: accumulation of color breaking creases on the spine and corners, edge and cover wear with some color loss, and long color breaking crease.  rusty staple and minor rust migration not an issue at this grade.

CGC 4.0

Normally i'd say this would not improve with a press, but there's an example of an FF5 that had a press and spine realignment that reduced the appearance of the spine creases and appeared to actually reduce the severity of the color breaking and the grade looks like it jumped from a 3.0 raw to a CGC 4.0.  amazing work. 

If the same magic can be applied to this book, i'd say a good dry clean could clear up the dirty whites, and a good press and spine realignment will fix the spine roll and may reduce the appearance of the color breaking spine creases.  This could possibly hit 4.5 if you have the same results as the FF5.  Can't say for sure if this would be the case, but check this out and judge for yourself.

I love this game!

7.0

7 minutes ago, billbrown7080 said:

in a post above you said its a 8.5 the way it is now....

but would be a 9.2 if it didnt have the defect or got a press....

so were talking around a .5 to 1.0 discount usually for this "Indentation defect"?

for this particular one yes, that's my estimate.  Again, depends on the size and severity of the defect.  Although I admit that i haven't looked at a lot of embossing defects specifically to estimate their effect on a grade

10 hours ago, billbrown7080 said:

whats the highest grade a comic can get if it has a rusty staple like this Hulk 181?

Rusty Staples: 

Overstreet: some staple discoloration without rust migration allowed up to 9.2.  staple discoloration with slight rust migration allowed in F/VF 7.0

CGC:  I've seen slightly rusty staples without rust migration on a CGC 9.2

These pictures are pretty small and low resolution (eBay quality) so it's very difficult to give you an accurate estimate of the grade based on these.  You also need to post a picture of the back cover and a detailed pic of any significant defects.  That being said, based on what we have to work with, this looks like a decent book with good colors and moderate overall wear on the spine, top edge and corners.  The non-penetrating pin holes qualify as cover wear.  I'm going to assume no missing pieces, detached cover, or spine split.  With these assumptions and the low res pics, i'd tentatively give this a

CGC 3.5 / 4.0

On 12/9/2018 at 5:50 PM, billbrown7080 said:

I have a few book that also writing indentations that appear to be deep....

it looks someone actually were grading the comic, and after putting the book in a bag and backer , I think they put a blank sticker on the front on the Bag and then wrote the grade with comic under neath ....because on a couple issues I have I can actual see in writing indentations .....

"VF-

$26.00"

in indentations on the cover...

It is complete indentations ...no ink or anything have even remotely bleed through...

 

do you have any idea what kind of effect this would have on the grade on a comic...

 

thanks

It's considered cover wear similar to non-color breaking creases and bends.  Obviously the size and depth of the embossing defect will determine the severity of the defect.  Without this defect, this book would likely be a 9.2 due to slight spine roll.  A good press will improve or perhaps eliminate both defects.

those are some terrible pictures, but I don't actually see many defects on this book:  unsightly miswrap (not really a defect), few small color breaking spine creases, minor top cover edge wear, moderately rounded corners, minimal cover wear, great colors and gloss, no stains or tears visible

Granted, the pictures are blurry and poorly lit, but from what I see:

CGC 8.0.  If you post better pics with better lighting, will revisit and update

9 hours ago, szavisca said:

5.0

I think that's referred to as an "embossing" defect (not the same as an embossed cover) when you have writing/drawing indentation on the cover.  It's considered cover wear and that particular area is relative large, looks to be about 1.5" x 0.5"

CGC 8.5.  Will likely press out (along with the minor spine roll) mostly or fully and raise up to 9.0 / 9.2 range

3 hours ago, Stillirize85 said:

its just a crease. no water damage, my scanner is wonky i guess

so few color breaking creases on the left lower portion and spine, light cover and corner wear, 2 larger bend/creases on back cover, and pen mark near goblin's foot, otherwise great presenting book

6.5 / 7.0 too close to call.  a press to remove the back cover bends/creases would put this solidly at 7.0

Nice Superiors!  The SM 3 presents very well.  If I didn't already have two copies, i'd be all over it.  GLWTS!

52 minutes ago, JollyComics said:

10% off on all books.

Expect on Thor and FF books - $600 shipped for Thor #165-166 and FF #67.

That's a Mighty Fantastic deal on the Warlock lot... 

Awesomeness revival bump.  Thanks to Straw-Man for showing me these amazing books!  i hope more board newbies like myself get to appreciate this awesome thread!

17 minutes ago, MrBedrock said:

That's not right at all.

You guys are killing me.  Between the sweet covers, the mysterious Ranger Comics 7 that I was hoping to upgrade, the psychedelic seizure-inducing cover and the snarky repartee, i'm not getting caught up on my work at all.  Shame on you for making my night at work enjoyable. 

12 minutes ago, Straw-Man said:

rangers sold without ever hittin' the thread.

curious as to how one buys a book without seeing a picture or even knowing the grade. 

"i'll give you $500 for that book, sight unseen and condition unknown!" 

A true manufacturing/bindery defect does not result in a grade reduction by CGC.  If there are no staple holes in the cover and pages then there was never a staple, and there will be no deduction to the grade.  A printing crease is another example of a manufacturing/bindery defect that is obvious on inspection, and even detracts from overall appeal, but does not generally result in a grade reduction. 

a few tiny spine tics (partial color breaking on the back cover), small bend to the corners (front cover right upper and right lower corners, and back cover left upper and lower corners).

solid 9.2 as is, and decent shot at 9.4 as is.  A press would set this firmly at 9.4

structurally it's a 5.0 but the stain will knock it down

CGC 4.5