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That is actually very simple, as we explained various times:
– Avengers #83 is not the first apperance because it’s the Enchantress disguised as her, so it’s just the apperance of her features;
– Hulk #142 is the proper first appearance but she is in the persona of Samantha Parrington, and the thing is temporary;
– Defenders #4 is the first apperance of Val switching bodies with Barbara, so it is understandable, and makes sense, to consider it probably the most important, given that she is the Valkyrie identity people known and loved.
Hulk #126 remains an absolute key book to me: part of the trilogy which lays the basis for the Defenders idea to come.
And then there are the important Defenders issues with the Valkyrie origin story, in the #60s range.
I understand it is all perfectly obvious to you, but to someone who was reading the books when they came out, Avengers 83 is the obvious one to me. The character was named & powers /costume revealed. Six to eight months later she again appeared in Hulk #142 & I thought to myself "Hey, there's Valkyrie again". At no point in time did I see the character in Hulk #142 & think that it was a brand new character, she had already been created in Avengers #83.
It's as bizarre as the whole Domino situation in New Mutants 98 & X-Force #(?). Domino was introduced in New Mutants 98, I don't care that it was an impostor for the first year or so.
as Marvel Wiki states it.
First Appearance
Avengers #83
(December, 1970)
(as Enchantress)
Incredible Hulk #142
(August, 1971)
(as Samantha Parrington)
Defenders #4
(February, 1973)
(as Barbara Norriss)
Defenders #109
(July, 1982)
(as Brunnhilde)
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OMG, now there will be an infinite debate on which is the first true first app!!!
hulk 142 has a great cover though
I don't understand those that argue that Avengers 83 isn't her first appearance. It's no different than Hulk 142 in that a different persons body is used for the Valkyrie. If you are going that route, then Defenders #4 with the first appearance of the Barbera Norris heroic Valkyrie that became popular would seem to be the 1st appearance.
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Some randomness for sales of this book:
maybe mentioning bill mantlo pushed it past $20?
That was such a great book at the time. The first 12 issues stand up to anything that was being published. Golden was doing some beautiful promo pieces that Marvel was running as ads in different books & it was just beautiful stuff. Then the book comes out & it's got a generic Cockrum cover on it. I like Cockrum, but Golden was just amazing at the time.
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Interesting! I love 100 Bullets. Who do you think Hardy would play? Lono maybe, or Mr. Shepard?
I would guess Lono, but with so many key characters it could be anyone they decide to focus on.
As many are saying, this book just screamed for an HBO or Netflix type series where all the Minute Men could be introduced and fleshed out over a few seasons. It will be really difficult to carry this off as a 2 hr movie.
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Anyone care to explain the prices on reasonably high grade deadly hands of kung fu magazine?
Sure a CGC 9.6 going for $100+ I get. But raw VFNM for $120? Crazy
It's about time this series got some love. Lot's of hidden gems in the run: 1st White Tiger, 1st Jack of Hearts, 1st Daughters of the Dragon, some beautiful Adams covers (including the Bruce Lee & Billy Jack ones) and a really hot Bruce Lee book. Personally, this is the book I first discovered George Perez's art on the Sons of the Tiger series. Early Iron Fist appearances...what's not to love?
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Just picked up a large stack of mid grade books from Steve from his latest sales thread. His Fine (+/-) range grades are really attractive copies. Very happy with grading & pricing. Thanks again!!
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1 - I have never bought a mystery box from Shadroch or Comicalgems.
2 - I have no problem with mystery boxes being sold on the forum.
It is a moot point because they are banned but here is why.
If you bought a pack of baseball cards, then you bought a mystery box.
If you bought a blind bag figure like the lego guys, then you bought a mystery box.
Need I go on?
In fact, the blind bag concept for toys is becoming huge. Blind Bags are becoming popular and are a variation of the mystery box. In this box you are guaranteed to get 1 out of the 16 listed minifigures. You do not know which one, and they are unevenly packed. Still the buyer has the option not to buy it. It is up to the buyer. Some are obviously going to be worth more than others but that is the way it is.
It gets really expensive to collect that way, and the last few can get VERY expensive. That's why it's better to try to swap for the ones you need once you have a goodly number of them and the inevitable dupes. On average, assuming they're evenly packed, you'd need to buy 55 of those Lego packs to get all 16. See here.
I don't believe it was meant this way but the conclusion I draw from these analogies is that mystery/blind sales are good for the seller but not economically wise for the buyer.
Absolutely correct. (thumbs u
Unless you really want someone else to choose the books you are going to collect, this is a stoopid idea for a buyer.
Imagine being a seller and can choose what carp you want to get rid of.
seller's choice? For a buyer, he'd better be getting everything at half guide or less. 
Exactly. Years ago I would order Mystery Long Boxes from J & S Comics for $100. The boxes would average from $700-$1000 in value. I could literally pick out a handful of books to sell & cover the cost of the long box. The idea of paying someone $150/$500/$1500 for them to choose out $150/$500/$1500 worth of books for me is just crazy.
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Seems Marvel is intent on splitting up Peter and MJ so why would people be interested in the Wedding issue now.
Maybe the divorce issue will become the next hot thing...
Maybe they realize that current Marvel is random disconnected garbage so they want something that isn't?
Just finished reading the Wedding Annual & "random disconnected garbage" seems to fit it pretty well also. Why would Marvel have a big event marriage issue & assign Paul Ryan & Vince Colletta as the artists.
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If buyer is not prepared to pay extra for an international shipment,don't post the I'll take it. Simple really!
Yeah, but it's really not that simple. As stated previously, the buyer has already had books sent at $25 so, in his mind, he thought the shipping would be closer to $25 then $65.
Which in fact it would, if not for the insurance that the seller was requiring. Was that mentioned up front that insurance would be paid by the buyer? We don't know, so not really that simple.
Buyers going to blow a deal over shipping?
I don't know, that's what you implied in your first post
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I replied I would do $450 but wouldn't pay postage to the UK as it could be $50-$60. I'd pay the 1st $20 and he would have to pay the rest.
I replied back that after packing the books and checking on usps.com that shipping was $63 for Priority Express International insured for $400;
Only issue is, insurance is seller's responsibility, not buyer's, unless specifically agreed
I would agree with you to an extent except for this:
I checked again and sent him the 3 quotes from usps: Priority Express Int w/insurance for $63; Priority Int w/certificate of mailing for $53; and 1st class w/certificate of mailing for $31. I said I can't be responsible for the latter 2 as they can only be insured for up to $70. It was his choice on shipping.
He gave the buyer several alternatives to get the price down.
Well, he gave him 3 quotes & told him he was basically screwed if he choose either of the last 2 options.
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If buyer is not prepared to pay extra for an international shipment,don't post the I'll take it. Simple really!
Yeah, but it's really not that simple. As stated previously, the buyer has already had books sent at $25 so, in his mind, he thought the shipping would be closer to $25 then $65.
Which in fact it would, if not for the insurance that the seller was requiring. Was that mentioned up front that insurance would be paid by the buyer? We don't know, so not really that simple.
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Obviously the deal meets the probation list criteria, but why force an unhappy buyer to complete the transaction. Seller thought the postage would be $50-$60, buyer thought it would be around $25 (Meaning his cost $5). That's where the deal fell apart at, not because the buyer was trying to pull a fast one, not because he can't be trusted.
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The signed & numbered hc looks like this:
The regular hardcover edition has basically the same cover as Dark Knight Returns #1.
This was my "grail" back when it came out. Finally picked one up last year. The comic shop I used to visit had one for $200 when it came out but no one ever saw it. Its a shame this book hasn't gone up much from that. I paid less for mine,.last year, than what it was going for in the mid/late 80s.
Yeah, I picked up a stack of them, still sealed in their original boxes, 5 or 6 years ago. Couldn't move them at $250, couldn't move them at $200, sold a few between $150-$200 & then gave up. Recently I've been able to move them in the $300 range, but overall it's still cheaper than it was 25 years ago. I'm down to my last keeper copy, but would still like to see it make a price jump.
I bought one maybe 6 or so years back that was still sealed in the original box for a pretty good price. I'm guessing I must've gotten it from you. I still have it and it's still sealed in the box (I guess I should've bought one to open as well). It had been one of those pieces I could only dream of owning when I was in high school and my LCS had it in their fancy "Can't Touch This" display case. Now part of me is really awed by the fact that any copies are still sealed, so I still can't touch it, I'm just hanging on to this box.
If the seal wasn't broken, it was from a different seller. I always broke the seal to check on the book before selling.
Years ago I bought a sports statue that was still sealed in it's plain brown box that it was manufactured in. Got it home & never opened it. Was talking with my brother (not a collector) one day & he was like, "how the hell do you know what is actually in there?" We argued about it for awhile & I finally cut open the seal to prove to him that it was common practice to leave items sealed & untouched. The item inside was different
I check everything before putting it up for sale now.
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The signed & numbered hc looks like this:
The regular hardcover edition has basically the same cover as Dark Knight Returns #1.
This was my "grail" back when it came out. Finally picked one up last year. The comic shop I used to visit had one for $200 when it came out but no one ever saw it. Its a shame this book hasn't gone up much from that. I paid less for mine,.last year, than what it was going for in the mid/late 80s.
Yeah, I picked up a stack of them, still sealed in their original boxes, 5 or 6 years ago. Couldn't move them at $250, couldn't move them at $200, sold a few between $150-$200 & then gave up. Recently I've been able to move them in the $300 range, but overall it's still cheaper than it was 25 years ago. I'm down to my last keeper copy, but would still like to see it make a price jump.
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Wasn't DKR 1 direct only?
If I had to come up with a guess before this conversation, I would've pegged DKR 1 at 170-200 k print run.
That is possible. I remember the rush for the newsstand copies when Thor 337 came out, but don't remember the same scene with DKR #1. That may explain it, or it might be that I wasn't as involved at that point.
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I had heard shops way over ordered on Ronin, which led to a way under order on DKR #1.
But 5,000 copies doesn't seem in the realm of possibility.
What about IG? That series was everywhere. It had to have had an enormous print run.
DKR #1 had 24,100 Capital City orders, which was about 9.1% of the DC market in 1986 according to Standard Catalog of Comic Books.
That means the print run for DKR #1 was about 265,000 copies.
Infinity Gauntlet #1 was 118,600 Capital City orders, which was about 22.1% of the Marvel market in 1991.
That puts the print run for Infinity Gauntlet #1 around 535,000 copies.
I think that number may be high on the Dark Knight #1. While the 1:10 ratio may be a decent indicator on the standard size (& priced) comics of the time, I'm not sure that the newsstands ordered the first prestige format book (at $3.00) in the same ratios. I do remember it was difficult to find a copy of DKR #1 the day it came out, so the book would obviously have been hoarded when it appeared at the newsstands, but I don't recall a huge number of books becoming available after the newsstand release. Just a guess, but I would think there are under 200,000 copies.
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The signed & numbered hc looks like this:
The regular hardcover edition has basically the same cover as Dark Knight Returns #1.
You mean the same cover as the first trade, I think.
Not sure which edition you are referring to. The Signed & numbered edition used the same art as the Warner Brothers Soft Cover Edition, although it is layed out differently. The first edition regular hardcover used the art from Dark Knight Returns #1, although it could be cropped & layed out differently also.
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The signed & numbered hc looks like this:
The regular hardcover edition has basically the same cover as Dark Knight Returns #1.
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Interesting that The Dark Knight Returns Signed & Numbered HC that came out in 1986 hasn't really had a price adjustment up. It used to sell for 4x to 5x of high grade raw Dark Knight #1's, now a graded 9.8 #1 sells for more than it does. Signed by Miller & limited to 4000 copies, it looks like the bargain now. The regular hardcover edition is also really reasonably priced.
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Came across this article about a DC Project that Tom Hardy is involved with:
it’s a DC thing," he shared. "It's really good actually, it contains elements of all kinds of stuff. From 'Ocean’s Eleven,' to Batman, you can get all the wrappers out and it would be a big, really cool, Technicolor, 'Pulp Fiction'…It’s a psychological fest, it’s absolutely awesome.
Anyone think this sounds like 100 Bullets? A guy can hope...
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I might send a friendly note to the original seller pointing out the oversight...
No, no...I wouldn't be asking for any money back or anything like that. It would just be to point out the oversight. That's all.
If I missed something as significant as that, I'd appreciate the head's up. I actually sold a book several years ago that I had forgotten had rust migration in it. I offered to refund but the buyer elected to keep it anyway, but he never bought another book from me.... but that could be simply due to the fact I haven't had anything he wanted since. We're still friends, but it's the kind of mistake that really shouldn't go unmentioned.....it's a "teachable moment". GOD BLESS...
-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u
If I were the seller, I would want the book returned and would want to give a refund even if considerable time had passed. What is it they have on the sign in the L.L. Bean stores? Something like, "If you are not satisfied with one of our products, we don't want you to keep it."
Partly this is good business sense so a potential future customer doesn't write you off and partly it's fairness. If the deal was (implicitly) for a book with clean staples and it turns out the book has rusty staples, then the deal went wrong and should be made right, however much time may have passed.
That's my view, but I'm known to be an exceptionally wonderful person.
What if the book developed the minor rust over the last year, while in the new owners possession?
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One of those Luke Cage books should break out but I'm not sure if it will be 48, 50 or 54
I know people are pushing #54, but I can't see why it would heat up. Cage & Iron Fist are not being presented as Heroes for Hire, they are being presented as Defenders. Even if Heroes for Hire somehow played a part in the series, the term Hero for Hire was created in Luke Cage #1. Issue 54 always seemed like a cheap book that flippers, late too the party, latched on to.
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Just a general question on trimming. I've always thought that the width of a book could vary because of the cutting process getting out of alignment, but I always assumed that the height of a book would stay relatively even.
When lining this book up in photoshop with a few copies I have, it looks like there is approx 3/16"-1/4" missing on the height. Approx 1/8"+ off the top & 1/16" off the bottom.
seller's choice? For a buyer, he'd better be getting everything at half guide or less. 
Bronze age comics that are heating up on eBay...
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Really now, you haven't even read the issues you're discussing, have you?
In all 3 of the first appearances, the Enchantress is the one to give the Valkyrie's likeness/personality/powers to each character. In Avengers 83 she used the likeness on herself against the Avengers. In Hulk 142, she used the likeness on Samantha Pennington to attack the Hulk. In Defenders #4, she again used it on Barbara Norriss to help her with the Defenders.
What in the world is the difference?