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    Part 2: A-Level Panel Page Valuations by Artist/Run

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    5 hours ago, comiconxion said:

    I can vouch for the fact that I've sold "nicer" Zeck pages from Secret Wars for over $5k.  The pages from #8 and ones with Black Spidey on them command a bit of a premium.  It's also true that there aren't too many "A" level loose pages that are loose - many of the loose pages have stats on them or might be from some of the ghost inkers like Art Nichols.  Only Zeck pages from issues #6, 7, 8, 9, 11 & 12 are out there in the wild.  Some of the better individual pages are from the ones that aren't broken up (#1, 2, 3 & 10) so the market hasn't really been tested on them.   Because there are few "great" pages, that's why there's a premium attached to them.

    It's rare to see a Zeck Cap panel page reach the $5k range, but they are starting to approach that.  "A" level Zeck Punisher Limited Series pages are even rarer in the wild as #1 & #2 are still complete.  An "A" level page from Punisher #3 hasn't surfaced yet and there's really only one "A" level page from #4 that's changed hands in recent years.  That was in the $20-30k range so that those should probably be bumped up.  You might be able to get an "A" level page from Return to Big Nothing for $5-10k.  

    Also, other Marvel #1 pages (in addition to X-Men #1) are selling for over $100k.  A nice Everett Daredevil #1 page sold over $125k a couple years ago and I'd imagine nice Avengers #1 pages are in that range although I haven't seen one sell recently.  But, asking prices on them have been north of that.   

    BWS Weapon X pages have been on the rise as of late... seems that they may now be in that $60k+ range.  

     

     

    Thanks for the explanation. I wonder if those pages ever will test the market. I can’t imagine I’d be too eager to break up a complete Secret Wars book. 

    Part 2: A-Level Panel Page Valuations by Artist/Run

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    For Zeck Secret Wars pages, are the A pages really worth that much now? B and C pages sell for around 1,500-2,000. There aren’t that many splashes in the series, so A pages from this run are mostly great panel pages, right? I have 3 Zeck SW pages I’d consider in the range of A pages (one Layton, too), but I’m not sure I’d value any but one at around 5K. The other two I’d price a bit less. Obviously, I’d prefer for you all to be correct 😁.
     

    Also, instead of alphabetical, would it maybe be more helpful to slot them into their value order within each price range? 

    Collecting goals for 2021

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    Everything mentioned above. Thanks for the ideas! (Joking)

    I’m going to focus on a few main goals this year, and just keep looking for good art that tickles my fancy. I like to find art that hits the sweet spot between artistry and nostalgia, so I’m always satisfied with what I get. It’s also important to me that it kills two birds with one stone. Like Secret Wars pages I have with art by Romita or Art Adams, or a Romita Jr Spidey page with Daredevil, too. I dig the subtly dynamic pages that combine multiple “wants.”

    As for my specific goals, a Bolland Dredd page, or a Buscema 1st run Surfer page, or a Secret Wars cover/A page. 

    Killer McFarlane splash coming to the link

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    17 hours ago, grapeape said:

    It’s a great question I’m not the only one going to be monitoring McFarlane sales much closer going forward.

    Scott. Based on art alone you know myself and others think you knocked it out of the park on your TM McSpidey inking chores.(thumbsu

    1990 Las Vegas Sahara Hotel Comic Con

    Todd is there with art work. In the hundreds of dollars range. Nobody wants it. We’re all getting our Spider-Man 1 comics signed😂

    Hell my buddy, let’s call him Romeo, was trying to run game on the gorgeous girl behind the booth with Todd—not registering that it’s Todd’s wife.:facepalm: We went home without Spider-Man art and most certainly without the girl.lol
     

    If ifs and buts were Candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas. The story of my life. Woulda coulda shoulda when it comes to art work.

    For my own sanity, I may yet leave it all behind and take a vow of silence in the Kingdom of Latveria, where I hear silence is not only appreciated it’s the law!!!

     

     

     

    I have talked to the board. Your request is approved, thanks be to Doom. I will put some brochures and a sub-dermal tracking beacon kit in the mail for you. Welcome to Latveria!*
     

    *(No one is actually welcome in Latveria. All individual rights are forfeited by reading this. Speaking punishable by firing squad. All Hail Doom!)

    (attempted) Flip of the Day!

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    14 minutes ago, rlextherobot said:

    I can't speak for the whales (I ain't no Aquaman) but if this doesn't ring all the warning bells in the universe you deserve to get taken: 

    "As a pioneer of the comic book movement in the 60s and the 70s an as a long time comic art book dealer and art minor in collage I comsider my self the best person to evaluate who the artist was for this Spiderman splash! Unfortunately like the fake news there are a few big comic dealers who are giving out misinformation about the artist! "

     

    But his minor is in collages. Collages!!!exclamation point

    I comsider his kredentials to be impeckable!

    Feelings on Unpublished Pages?

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    8 hours ago, BuraddoRun said:

    Maybe your original post didn't come out like you wanted, but I think it's a good question. In my opinion, I would consider both the original "unpublished" piece AND the new mostly stat page as published. I "technically" have an unpublished/published page such as this. The artist wanted a panel moved to overlap 2 other panels a bit, but didn't want the original page cut up. So they made a stat copy and cut that, and the full stat was what was published. But the original art...is still the art. So it's published, right? It's just different because of panel placement, or in your case, because of alterations. But the underlying art was still art that was used for publication.

    Thank you, that really helped galvanize my thought process. It is published, I’d just treat it similarly to newer art where pencils and inks might be on two separate pages. The price breakdown would skew more to the pencil/ink page than a typical pencil and ink price split, since this is finished vs stat correction page. I appreciate you dragging it out of me, it helped. 😁

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    Share Your Convention Sketches!

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    I got this one while chatting with Mr Mignola at SDCC. Super nice guy. Hellboy (obviously) and Baba Yaga.E259E203-5AAE-4E5A-9090-B35EA8293DD2.thumb.jpeg.1d5d492f84cea85a959720b61f0530cc.jpeg

    I got this from Jae Lee. Also at SDCC. He had to finish it at home and send it off to me, and it was totally worth the wait. I’d asked him to give me a definitive win, whichever way he wanted, and he delivered. I’m looking forward to seeing how other artists decide this matchup.
     

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    A note to all Heritage "Snipers"

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    I’m pretty sure I was on the receiving end of one of these tactics for a piece I won at auction last year. I went to sleep thinking I’d maybe gotten a nice deal, and woke up to paying just a hair under my max bid. Whichever of you it was, get ready for revenge! (Joke. I don’t care.)

    You all are teaching people to be auction killers in here. I dig it.

    A note to all Heritage "Snipers"

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    9 hours ago, tth2 said:

    Early bids mean a lot except when they don't.  I wouldn't read too much into early bidding, particularly on a desirable piece.  In fact, I would say the more desirable a piece, the less meaningful the early bidding action is.

     

    4 hours ago, Rick2you2 said:

    I agree with you, to the point made. Desirable pieces operate under their own rules, and they can have lots of people waiting on the sidelines waiting to jump in. A little like really pretty girls. But many pieces don’t rise to that level. For example, the final price after live bidding on popular pieces can look nothing like the last number on pre-bidding. On more common or less attractive pieces, it is rarely over 4x the pre-bid price, and often within 2x. But again, each bid round is unique and you have to look for the clues you can find. Same with eBay, where you have different rules and available information.

    High school pretty girl strategy activated!

    Yeah, I might be at the dance. I dunno, it looks kinda lame, but maybe I’ll see you there, if I even go...

    A note to all Heritage "Snipers"

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    11 minutes ago, Rick2you2 said:

    You have to be careful with that one. It can drive the final winning bid to a point well above expected market. That has happened to me on occasion.
    I generally watch the bidding rounds early on to get a sense of what may be happening later. When the full Phantom Stranger Aparo story went up for bids, there was an immediate bid of $5,000, and that was well below market. But then, it just sat like a lump at that price for weeks. It only moved a little, pre-live bidding, which confirmed my suspicions this was not a hot property (and leads me to question whether that first bid was real, or an attempt to motivate bidding). Sure enough, it came in where I expected.

    The point is, what worked there may not work on other rounds. Is the artist or property hot, or at the bottom of the market? Are prices consistently moving up, pre-bid, or not? Does it look like there is a fight between two other bidders? How many people are tracking, and how many started tracking early? And sometimes, you just role the dice.

    Very interesting. Thank you for taking the time to explain. I play a good bit of poker—well, before last March—and I hadn’t thought of applying the concept of reading your opponent in that way. Early bids sitting like that is an especially nice clue I hadn’t considered like that. Would you apply this level of thinking to weekly auctions, as well?

    Feelings on Unpublished Pages?

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    2 hours ago, BuraddoRun said:

     

    What was your first opinion, and what is your new opinion? What made you change your mind?

    Oh, I didn’t change my mind on the opinion, just that it was not a great question for here the way I’d asked. I had tied it to a personal situation, but I realized it could read as a negative about the other person involved. They were really pleasant, so I didn’t want to do that, and possibly mistakenly hurt their reputation.

    Basically, my question was to ask if something is considered unpublished if it’s used to make stats for an actual published page. An artist made a page, and then realized that they wanted to change one aspect throughout, so they made that correction in each panel by making stats of each panel with the correction, turned those into a stat page, and used that for publication. The two pages, unused and published, look nearly identical, except for the changed aspect. I’d assume the stat page is gone, if that is how it went down, but the page with pencils and inks that wasn’t “used” was left behind. So, I was asking what that is considered, and how to value the work.

    A note to all Heritage "Snipers"

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    7 minutes ago, Rick2you2 said:

    I often pre-bid. I almost never pre-bid my max, however. I do like to shake out potential bidders in opposition, and while it is by no means foolproof, it tends to result in a level of response. If you actually follow the bidding on lesser pieces, they don’t always beat a high proxy, which also has the effect of sometimes intimidating bidders. Every number you throw up gets immediately topped can get demoralizing. 

    Each auction is unique, and I pay attention to trackers and bid sequences to frame any bid.

    So you like to emphasize, or add to, bid sequences to discourage other bidders on an item? If I’m understanding correctly, that’s interesting. I’d never thought of it like that before. This board is a cool resource for guys like me trying to “get” the OA market. 

    I’m not the type to get worked up or needled into an action, but early and quick over-bids have definitely pushed me off a piece. 

    A note to all Heritage "Snipers"

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    1 minute ago, JadeGiant said:

    Shouldn't you be happy for a competitor taking this approach? It just increases the likelihood that they will not time it right, get distracted, lose their connection, etc. and not be able to get in a bid against you. They are rolling the dice waiting. 

    Exactly. It’s not worth getting worked up over these kinds of things, imo. Another page will be along soon enough, and who needs the added aggravation nowadays? 

    A note to all Heritage "Snipers"

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    21 hours ago, malvin said:

    well, assuming that the objective is to win, I guess people do it thinking some people will indeed back off or get demoralized.  

    Clearly it doesn't work on Mike, he just gets annoyed and maybe even bid stronger!

    What we need to prove the hypothesis is for someone to admit that they back off or get demoralized and not bid when it happens to them!

    Malvin

    I suddenly have an urge to get a commission of an enraged Hulk mashing the bid button. Hulk strongest bidder there is!!