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jools&jim

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  1. On 2/5/2020 at 11:35 PM, Silentbob said:

    The GI Joe in the middle is worthless because of the grade but priceless to me...

    So, obviously, it's not "worthless" at all: it's your Rosebud...a slice of time itself, preserved; the persistence of memory, beyond and above all mundane considerations of grade and commerce and price; a largely forgettable thing never forgotten, which now represents so much more than can be conveyed by its mere physical existence. 

    Its meaning to you IS the money.  And for my money at least, that's the only "value" that really matters.  (thumbsu

    If you don't mind and feel like sharing, please tell us why it's priceless to you.  I think there are quite a few of us around here who never grow weary of such tales...!  :bigsmile:

  2. On 2/2/2020 at 5:52 PM, Zonker said:

    I thought it was an unfortunate mistake that DC chose not to reprint Jack Kirby's editorial pages in the Fourth World Omnibus reprint editions.  The one pasted below from Jimmy Olsen #135  from 1971 gets to a lot of what Kirby was attempting in his Fourth World series, and that level of ambition to Say Something Important, to my way of thinking, is very Bronze Age-y.

    • In the text below, Kirby is talking on one level about the Hairies, who are the characters he recently introduced to the Jimmy Olsen strip: products of the secret DNA Project, they are genetically manipulated super mutants.
    • But clearly the Hairies are stand-ins for the then-current (or recently-current) Hippies of the Woodstock Nation.   As are the Forever People, another of Jack's creations from this same timeframe.
    • Reading the below, you can see Jack debating with himself-- the WWII veteran versus the late-middle-aged dad trying to make sense of the 1960s counter culture.  A similar debate happens in New Gods #6 "Glory Boat" where Kirby explores and ultimately rejects pacifism as a response to the evil represented by Darkseid.  Indeed  you can read the New Gods as the soldiers fighting the enemy head on, responding to force with force.  And the Hairies and the Forever People are perhaps trying to win the hearts & minds, to use a Vietnam-era phrase. 
    • I had never thought of this before, but maybe the Fourth World trilogy is showing us 3 responses to the Vietnam conflict:  Join the Army (the New Gods), support the counter-culture (the Forever People), or escape to Canada! (Mister Miracle) :bigsmile:
    • In any case, the below text piece I think says a lot about Kirby wrestling with these questions.  See what you think:

    (thumbsu  Great stuff, Zonk, combined with your insightful analysis, as always.

    I very much agree, as you suggest, that Kirby's "Fourth World" books tapped into the late '60s/early '70s zeitgeist, and are in some sense an intuitive or instinctive meditation on it from the position of age and wisdom.  But his canvas, obviously, was bigger than the daily news, and his broad, mythological strokes cut deeper, and in more lasting ways, than, say, O'Neil and Adams did in their Green Lantern run, which farmed the same turf, but was merely topical, and now embarrassingly dated. 

    Visionary artists (& poets/composers/etc.) aren't always able to easily articulate, in plain language, what their work makes us feel or think about (William Blake, whose letters to friends/colleagues/detractors are sometimes impenetrable, is a good example).  This may be one reason why Kirby's somewhat clunky and meandering text pieces were omitted from the Omnibus. 

    But the more essential quality in the main body of his work -- a vaulting and powerfully elegant imagination combined with an innate ability make us feel or think about something important in new or unexpected ways -- is what separates simple entertainment (which has its time and place) from true art (which is eternal).

    Jack was clearly at his best and most ambitious during the BA: he often did both simultaneously, and (while it lasted!) in the mainstream of popular culture, which is no small thing...

  3. 16 hours ago, KirbyJack said:

    And another gift; this from a complete stranger who heard of my love of Kirby thru our comic store. He makes these books himself, this might be one of two in the whole world.

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    (thumbsu Awesome!  I have the complete run of The Eternals in a bound volume that I got from a boardie years ago.   I would LOVE to have Jack's '70s Cap run in that format...

  4. 1 minute ago, Logan510 said:

    I just don't get what you're basing it on except your personal taste (shrug)

    Think of a number line: positive numbers are to the right, and negative numbers are to the left.

    • Fun, light-hearted, romantic (in the old sense of the word), and optimistic stories wherein heroes are heroes and villains are villains, and which are also devoid of any moral ambiguity, were (once upon a time) decoded as POSITIVE portrayals of humanity's highest aspirations.

    • Dark, brooding, angst-ridden, and gratuitously violent stories, wherein the heroes and villains are separated by the thinnest of lines (as in Film Noir), were (once upon a time) decoded as NEGATIVE portrayals of humanity at its worst.

    Up versus Down is not a matter of taste; one's reaction to it is...

  5. 29 minutes ago, Logan510 said:

    I've never heard anyone else describe the copper age as a "decline". I've heard it described as a new golden age, but never a "decline".

    The mid/late-'80s had its high points, no doubt (Miller on DD; Byrne on FF; Simonson on Thor; Wolfman & Pérez on Teen Titans; Moore & Bissette on Swamp Thing; etc.).  But the general and trend-setting trajectory was downward: heroic optimism and goofy adventuring were replaced by grittier & ultra-violent "realism" (The Dark Knight Returns); deconstruction (Byrne's Superman; Giffen's Dr. Fate); dissolution (Claremont's convoluted and continuity-bloated X-Men); tortured and conflicted anti-heroes (Miller's Wolverine; Zeck's Punisher); and plenty of violence for its own sake.

    Again, whether or not this worked for you if you were there (and I was) ain't the point.  The times they were a-changing...

  6. 22 minutes ago, Ken Aldred said:

    My interpretation is that every Age has a lot of garbage and mediocrity, punctuated by occasional flashes of brilliant light.

    The Modern Age is no different.

    My interpretation is that anomalous "brilliance" does not make nor define an "Age"; that commonplace similarities between so-called "ages" are essentially banal; and that a tendency towards ever-increasing levels of solipsism, nihilism, and licentiousness are endemic to art and to culture in general over time.

    Whether or not that works for any given reader or fan is a matter of personal taste. But that does not invalidate the idea that things inevitably change, and not always for the better...

  7. 9 minutes ago, FlyingDonut said:

    I guess I'm going to hell today.

    Going to hell?

    No...not for that.

    But, in general, you are a cheap, opportunistic m - - - - - - - - - - r ... just like most everyone else around here!!! :bigsmile:

    Anyway and seriously -- I missed seeing you and the usual suspects at Baltimore this year.

    What can I say?  I'm a reclusive drunk. 

    Stage a show across the street from me and I probably still wouldn't show up. But that doesn't mean I'm not eternally fond of you all...

    :foryou:  (thumbsu

    -Mikey