Ron Churches

Seems completely down now. Can't get any field to load on the submission form.

8 minutes ago, Yeahiwasder4dat said:

You first.

1 minute ago, smeeeeee said:

 

i got my order completed last night and i finalized my order this evening and i got my confirmation email w the packing slip. I kept trying to open it for the past hour and it keeps saying "message NULL" etc. how many attempts did you keep trying to generate the slip for it to generate? i even emails CGC services but i doubt they respond by tonight. I feel better than most ppl who havent been able to complete their order, but im in your boat where i was able to get that confirmation order email. Im going to keep opening tabs to get that packing slip generated. 

Yours is probably fine. Everyone in your boat should stop trying to hit the database. We need less people in the pool!

Log out of the form so I can get this big submission finished...

Short term, ugh. They will get swamped again and probably push bulk time more. Long term, this is good. Trim out some of the low end bulk and they moved around the submission values a bit to make it make more sense (IMO). Necessary move, given the competition and the general market.

12 hours ago, Lazyboy said:

I don't know about cards, but for comics CGC isn't known for bumping stuff up to higher tiers unless it's egregious. The bigger worry is that, in the unlikely case that something happens to the card at CGC or during return shipping, you aren't getting anything more than the declared value.

This. The amount of time it would take them to comp values wouldn't be worth it. Send your cards in for the value you want them to be insured, were they to get lost.

4 minutes ago, C2N0 said:

So back on topic: If anyone has been following the CGC Trading cards Instagram, it’s story is basically nonstop bulk submissions, one that was over 1200 cards from just one guy, to be graded. If it keeps up, bulk is a doomed till next year lol. I can only imagine how many more people are sending in stacks like this. 

The price is too low! 

Just now, geraldfordfan69 said:

This is much as a hobby as watching netflixs. Can we stop calling it a hobby lol? Hoarding cardboard isnt exactly a real pastime. Im sure people will disagree and call me dumb, but lets try to keep it 100%.

It sounds, again, like a you thing. From what I can tell, you're taking your singular perspective and extrapolating it on the whole. 

Why are you guys trying to tell the dude who's holding the bag that he doesn't know how to do it? I really question why a lot of people are in this hobby. Takes too long to grade and the bubble is gonna pop and ruin all the value. Maybe you guys should exit now and find something happier to do.

1 hour ago, Murrayj16 said:

I have an express order delivered on the 15th. Currently at 12 business days is STILL not received yet...

Your real clock doesn't start until it's in the system, I'm afraid. I do hope they get ahead of their receiving issues soon.

PSA and BGS will grade those at this point. 

1 minute ago, C Boyd said:

the Charizard for sure was heavy left to right, the Pikachu is better though for sure and received the same grade I don't  see how though. thank you for though for the response.

I agree. I bet the Pika is about a hair away from a 9.5 centering. I'd crack it and slip it back in on another submission, lol.

Pika looks a little thinner on the left than the right, maybe a hair more so on the back. 

Honestly, they both do. CGC definitely isn't 60/40 like PSA claims on their centering. It's HARD to get a 9.5 or a 10 on centering. I believe they use computer imaging for their centering, and the tolerances are tight. I have wondered if the rainbow cards might be harder to get 10s on because the borders aren't clearly defined all the way around the card, but with the number that they grade you've got a lot of data available to validate and arrange expectations around. 

yeah, you're in for 5 dollars plus a second shipping transaction, so if it's just two cards (or a relatively small number) you'll want to stay consistent on the subgrades between them.

I would imagine you labeled it Japanese when you filled out the submission form. Did you try to select Korean? If you had, you would have seen that it didn't populate. Oddball stuff should be a red flag to do a little due diligence; tough lesson, though.  

600 copies of base set 2 Pikachu

4 hours ago, rjpb said:

Take it back, and eat the shipping, and reslab expenses if it is worth it to you to do it again. Unless you shipped priority (which automatically insures for $50), or paid for insurance, you won't get satisfaction from the post office, and even then, it may be difficult if you can't show the packaging was damaged on delivery. 

If you sell things via the mail, you are going to have to eat some losses now and then, either through scams, goods lost or damaged in shipping, stolen from mailboxes/porches, or just shelling out postage for a returned item.  Even if you were somehow insured against every loss, you'd still have the expense of insurance to amortize against any eventual loss.

 

Yep, this. The card looks ok. If the customer doesn't want to reslab it himself, which he can do for 10 bucks, I'd refund and do that myself. It sucks to have to deal with, but it happens every now and then.

On 3/20/2021 at 10:12 AM, ethomas said:

They have already been paid for all the cards sitting there. The cards are liabilities, not future revenue. So quite the opposite of what you are saying.

That is true for cards received pre-2/16, but that is no longer the case. They bill at time of grading now, which is a better incentive for them to move faster.

5 minutes ago, ShiningCollectibles said:

Thing is if you were told your gonna be able to ride in a hour and the line lasts for 24 hours + you would get a free trip to the park and compensation. Perfect example of this .

Honestly, if Disney had demand that made their lines explode on the scale you reference, they would absolutely increase prices and would sell premium tickets to high rollers who wanted to skip the line. 

Just now, Sp33dy said:

Again doesnt matter the service, if ur making tiers than make sure u are keeping all ur customers happy not jus a group. Cgc wanted the business and we gave it to them, now we are at their mercy whenever they feel bulk should move again. I don't get how alot of u guys are happy to say ill jus throw more money maybe they will be happy and do the service they promised 

They got more cards than they expected and had to increase TaT. Higher tiers get priority. If you do not like the risk that comes with the lowest priority, I suggest you look at a higher tier for your next submission, since the TaT seems to be of higher marginal utility to you than cost. 

1 hour ago, Sp33dy said:

We jus wonder if some more attention can be given to orders from December. Thats a long time to be waiting for cards to even switch to grading. We just ask for something to be done, still being in early December is feeling yall said freeze economy and bulk and just worry on wt ex and then standards only

You are just not made for bulk, my dude. You are built differently. Next time you do the order form, look for 'standard'. It'll move you along a lot faster. It costs a little more, but you'll know that you are paying to get the cards back faster.

16 minutes ago, Snooze Fest said:

The answer is "because they paid more money" isn't it?

It absolutely is, lol. If it was FIFO with no regard to tier, there'd be no reason to have tiers. 

9 minutes ago, The Nameless One said:

I sure hope to be giving away any good idea, we like CGC doing good things and being the best because it increases our investment value

Every grading company is wrestling with capacity constraints right now, so it will be interesting to see how they navigate it. PSA thought it could handle it by increasing floor space and hiring more people, but ultimately they had to do a massive price increase. And it's not clear that's going to work, either, as they still have a year's worth of cards to work through as a backlog.

It would have been difficult for a new entrant into the market, who is still calculating the ROI on the capital expenditures just to open the doors, to decide to ramp up capacity to catch the fallout from PSA's troubles. The balance between quality and quantity is real in services like this, and it's likely not an industry where you can just turn the machine on and let it run for 24 hours a day. Tired graders likely make for poor graders. There's a million other pieces to this process, as well. The welding capacity can't be easily increased, not without buying more equipment. They have massive issues with receiving, which I would think would be one of the easiest areas to increase capacity, but even that has been something they have struggled to do (industry problem; every grading company is behind on the mail significantly). 

End of day, demand is so high, they can afford to be more cautious and p i ss people off a bit, as that's just the way this industry can operate. There are few substitutes that you can take your money to, and they are all in the same boat. Sort of like shopping for your local cable company, in that regard.

I doubt your Mew meets the criteria for OC label, but it's definitely not centered very well. It's a great card, though.

16 minutes ago, The Nameless One said:

Here's the straight, I am new here, I'm voicing my numerous frustrations which I've experienced since my package has been received in some mystery land which serves to only pad the approximate TATs. I get it that it's busy, but that's a sorry problem to have, no? When I did 2am baking, we hired for Christmas, we worked weekends, I spent two weeks working two shifts a day, basically. So, do I feel bad about any of this? No, I don't, you can fluff my minimum wage butt. Understanding only goes so far when it's Big Money Getting Richer and little person trying to flip their spare Marnies. It's worth complaining about, have some self worth instead of being a bunch of bootlickers 

You should pool together with a couple of dudes here and start a grading company. Sounds like you guys have a solid understanding of how to increase capacity. Heck, maybe just start a grading company consulting firm. You're giving away all your ideas for free here on the CGC chat forums.