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I really despise '66, It's so corny and I'm just not old enough to appreciate it. It's a lot like original Trek is to me in that regard. I don't like the Burton movies as much as a lot of people do. It was certainly a pop culture event on a level I think many who weren't there underestimate but it's not a group of films I care about. No comment needed on the post-Burton, pre-Nolan films, they are trash. I think I like Batman Begins a lot, and prefer it over Rises. I think that's a great film that, much like Iron Man I, is only hindered by its third act. Comic book superhero movies, most of them, have third act issues. I'm not a guy who thinks DKR is one of the greatest movies off all time, there are hundreds of movies I'd rather watch again, but it's a good movie and Ledger was monumental in it. Rises I like more than those who dislike it, and don't like as much as people who love it. Nolan has a very hardcore and often obnoxious fanbase. I don't love any of the movies but I want to and like many of them. I've now seen BvS but still marinating on it. I do like Affleck as Batman though, and unlike some above I like that desert scene a lot because while it may not be a scene in this or the Justice League type of movie I want to see, it is the exact type of movie Zack Snyder can shoot.

He never won Best Director. I'm not sure if he was even nominated. Ever. Even though Gone Baby Gone, The Town and Argo are top-notch movies. If giving them the benefit of the doubt I think they are just saying he is an Oscar winning writer-director. Meaning he is a writer-director, that has won Academy Awards. That said, while Best Picture is a producer award, he did direct a winner though won as a producer. As a director I'm sure he'd have liked to have been nominated but I do think Best Picture is regarded as the most prestigous of the Oscar night, especially if you are the Director who also produced the movie IMHO. I think this year with Revenant winning a bunch, it did feel odd that Spotlight grabbed the big award, and one would have thought Iñárritu would have pulled off another double like the year before. I haven't seen the movie so I'm trying not to comment on it but yeah, I agree Terrio was a guy who many were reporting as having cleaned up this -script and did Justice League, and it sounds like maybe not well enough, but I guess I will wait and see. Personally I know I was looking forward to it, because I've had about my full of Goyer.

Love to hear how your son feels about it, a lot of people are saying it will bore kids for a good portion of the movie. My niece wants to go just for Cavil tho.

Not sure what the Affleck fall was. If the worst era of a man's life is that he's making millions still and smashing Jennifer Lopez, that sounds like winning to me. We are going to win when we get a Affleck directed DC film. I'm not talking about BvS because I haven't seen it but the weak link to me is Snyder. He's just not that great, or rather, he's great at some things but not good enough at other (for me), I also think Affleck was snubbed for a supporting nomination for Hollywoodland, he was PHENOMENAL in that. I will admit that Paycheck and Changing Lanes were boring as hell.

I've actually heard almost universal praise for Batman in this movie, and that's not hard for me to believe and I remember taking friendly ribbing when Affleck was cast and I thought it was an interesting choice.

All in!

Because pre-release the vast majority of "fans" who are able to watch it are diehards who are prone to not be negative about it (for many reasons). I'd actually consider 79% low considering the pool. And that's not just this movie, but any release. Even with Deadpool which was getting crazy good buzz from the pre-release fan screenings, even tho while that proved true, you usually ignore them because of the nature of who most of those people are. Well I'm a "fan" as well so it looks like I have a good chance of liking it then. No what I mean, and I'd assume all of us in this thread are fans or we wouldn't be talking about it, with those fans they tend to be the ultra diehards who are happy to be there and who have sites dedicated to characters, or social media handles of characters with huge followings, or go through extensive means to get tickets (events etc) who often would like to get reinvited to studio events but don't really have legit corporation behind them to have real opinions that a traditional source would (like a major site or paper etc). These are the fans who would pay to see the IMAX trailer - which is a next level of fan from normal people or even fans. They are there specifically to boost/manipulate that score, and look, everyone does that, so not knocking this movie. It is low though for a major release pre-release film.

Maybe if Frank Miller didn't decide to be the only guy who doesn't like the show they'd talk to him.

Because pre-release the vast majority of "fans" who are able to watch it are diehards who are prone to not be negative about it (for many reasons). I'd actually consider 79% low considering the pool. And that's not just this movie, but any release. Even with Deadpool which was getting crazy good buzz from the pre-release fan screenings, even tho while that proved true, you usually ignore them because of the nature of who most of those people are.

60% on RT is still usually an okay fun film or a film that tackles a topic that would split people but still okay. Like movies like Independence Day or From Dusk Till Dawn are in the 60's (both of which IMHO are better sits than Watchmen or 300), just to show that. 60% is not usually regarded as a movie that's panned. Watchmen may or may not have been a great translation but I can totally see moviegoers who don't give a mess about the comic - i.e. most people - not caring about that.

Oh I love those two, I'm a hardcore Iron Grenadier fan, and I still have multiple Rolling Thunders and Stealths but just as an overall brand for me I think the animated film started started a trend of wearing on me and it kind of felt like Joe was going another route, even if that route initially was good and they still had examples of great figures - 89 was Battleforce, a lot of space stuff, the and the repaint Mauraders. But going a year earlier I can see how it could extend, v2 Storm Shadow is dope, Hit n' Run is a great figure, some cool beginnings of (repaints) Night Force and Tiger Force. I just think after '87 repaints started to happen a lot but it was still strong enough to be Silver Age

That girl is bad AF.

Kate Bosworth (miscast) Parker Posey (sleepwalking) Kevin Spacey (paycheck) Bryan Singer (paycheck)... I don't know if I agree with the Singer one. I think it was pretty personal to him, and felt like a footnote/love letter to the Donner films, almost slavishly so. He was coming off of directing the biggest opening movie in history at the time, and a well reviewed one at that, he could have done anything, Bosworth was one of the worst castings of all time though, and I will never get over Kumar kicking Superman.

Agree. Routh not the problem with that movie.

I think Goyer was good but he's been it at so long and I think hasn't changed - I think his dialogue leaves a lot to be desired now in a way it didn't 10-15 years ago. Even the Nolan Batman stuff has some cringe worthy dialogue moments. Goddard developed Daredevil but he didn't showrun that show, it was Deknight. Goddard left to do movies for Sony before the season started, though he did write the first two episodes. Goddard is great though.

...but neither is the guy who wrote the FF screenplay and directed it IMHO Chronicle was a good movie. It's easy to see why he was tabbed for bigger projects in the way Marvel plucks directors, and he had a Star Wars job locked up. I suspect a lot went wrong on both sides, him and the studio.

Millar has a talent for getting his works optioned but I think we are severely underappreciating the people who wrote the screenplays for those films, which Millar didn't do any of, nor direct any of. A lot of great source material from multiple mediums have been turned to mess because the people writing the screenplay didn't adapt and change it well to view on the screen. He's a very capable big idea guy, that's why he consults to keep him in house, he's not a filmmaker.

Not that I know of, but I know of a few collectors that are getting out of the toys as they continue to become more brittle. The plastic and rubber used for the o-rings used in vintage GI Joe construction is not the most flexible and time has not been kind. I only own one MOC 1980s Joe, and don't plan on buying any more of them due to the unfortunate o-ring problem. I don't collect modern toys, so I have fun collecting loose figures and vehicles from the 1984-86 time period (which was the time I collected Joes as a kid). I look for figures/vehicles loose, and sometimes with a nice conditioned opened box as well, and that has been a very satisfying collecting experience for me. Throw in 87 and that's really the Golden Age right there IMHO.

I like Travers but that guy almost never reviews anything negatively. Also, regarding people who already decided not to like it giving it negative reviews, I'm sorry that's not what I've seen happen. A lot of people who seemed genuinely pumped about this movie came away thinking it was kind of middleground, and for Campea, who did give it a mostly positive review, this was like the movie he wanted to see most and he thought the 1st trailer was the best trailer of last year - that's a guy who really wanted to love this movie and did not, and most of Collider Video seems to fall into that category. Places where comic book films are popular like people on Filmcast or even someone like Faraci have really come down hard on this movie - forget middle ground. Also Campea seemed to not like Gadot in this movie, one of the big reasons I want to see it, along with the other JL members intros. For the most part people seem middle road on this movie, and I think most opinion was not that this movie is terrible but that this movie needed to be more than just kind of alright for DC/WB. I will say that yes, many people don't view Snyder as a proven commodity, and while I've enjoyed some of his films, I think they are all hardly ideal films in terms of proving there is a great storyteller there. There are things he does that seem almost right, almost perfect, but just miss something - kind of like that great shot of Clark in Man of Steel as a kid with cape, wonderful shot, wonderful moment, but didn't make a lot of sense it was him - if it was another kid because of Superman later, it would have been magical. I don't really keep track if Snyder has a usual braintrust of people in his crew but this is a guy that could use a top flight editor and listen to him - I'm unsure who has final cut here, though I suspect the studio does given the nature of the franchises involved. In the same respect I enjoy some Michael Bay films too (The Rock and Bad Boys) but that guy has a lot of storytelling problems, though he is pretty next level visually. Ticket for me will be to see the rest of the JLA on screen and Affleck as Batman. I'd like to see a director's cut of FF. There's no way the same guy behind Kick- and Kingsmen would make a castle like FF. The guy who directed FF didn't have anything to do with Kingsmen or Kick-,

While Nolan is obviously a superior filmmmaker over Snyder, I have to admit I was ready for that tone and take to be over and was disappointed when Snyder seemed to take that tone and utilize under his, weaker IMHO, skillset. They both have a little bit of robot about them tho, even while Nolan just laps Snyder.

I've heard different. I've heard that the first half is next level boring.

To be fair, Johns did start in film under Donner and he is co-writing with Affleck soon. Being a "comic book guy" IMHO has very little to do with being a successful executive/studio head/executive producer. Feige is going to be hard to replicate, guy is an anomally and did this thing right. I mean, while it was VERY early to consider it and has gone away now, there were rumors that this guy is a potential future Disney head. Rumors were baseless but to even been rumored for that is GIANT. Since then, however, Iger has reupped and a couple of other executives have come to the forefront. The guy is good at what he does. I'd be careful not to put too much stock in "producer". Producer credit can be given out rather loosely, That said Loeb does have experience as a writer and producer on Heroes, Smallville, and a small bit of LOST (though they had a writing room and the showrunners were really behind that show). In TV showrunners and writers are the big creative entities. He has a real sweet job as head of Marvel TV right now, though I'd suspect a bump up as the hand that navigates a DC cinematic universe would be a substantial raise. I kind of think Shield sucks tho . Most Daredevil season 1 credit goes to Deknight, after Drew Goddard developed it and left. Typically showrunners get the credit for TV success.

Big sigh of relief for them that Rowling came at them with new material. They definitely slotted their DC catalog as something to nurture to replace that incredible cash flow represented by Harry Potter.

Woke up and see a continuance, a bit of a consensus, on the reviews that are thus far in now. Campea said he enjoyed the film, but it should be said that leading up to movie he, and the two Schmoes (who are part of RT aggregate) were as excited and pumped about this movie as anyone, and for them to come out really middleground says a lot IMHO in terms of just looking at reviews, obviously it's not, and nobody is insinuating it should replace seeing it with your own eyes. I'm going to be honest, most of what seems to be the shared opinions thus far sounds just like a typical Zack Snyder movie - spectacle, at times visually interesting, but otherwise lacking. That's just who he is, or has been. He's not a character/storyteller that later got big budgets to make them come to to life (Whedon), he's a spectacle director. It's felt like DC has been looking for a leader in their cinematic DCU, they offered it to Nolan who declined, and I'm just not sure Snyder was the guy I'd have come back too especially with Justice League. I'm still on the Billion dollar side here but stress if it doesn't hit that this is going to be disastrous, because if it doesn't make that big splash we can already see it's not going to be a top flight critical hit relative to comic book movies. For this to both be critically panned and to not maintain recent history of Batman $, which is DC's crown jewel which they kind of stuck in this movie because Man of Steel did not perform as well as they hoped (it still made a ton, just not as much as they thought), people are going to roll and a TREMENDOUS amount of pressure is put on Suicide Squad (which I actually think will be good). We live in a world where sort of not good movies like Ultron make a Billion. The last Fast and Jurassic Park made a Billion at record paces and Deadpool, which cost like 60 million dollars is gonna pass 3/4 of a Billion worldwide WITHOUT China. Hey, I'm still going to see is strong tho because I gotta go see Wonder Woman, and I actually think Affleck can pull of Batman. I'm hoping it is at least interesting and a tablesetter. Right now though I'm still on the optimistic side with Box Office. Too big to fail.

+1 I am starting to think that Global cume will be around $800 million. Opening Weekend (with advanced sales) looks to be around $140,000,000. Given low RT score, I don't think we can expect a major bump. Comparatively, Man of Steel opened to $128,000,000. Expect a multiplier of 2.5x so that would put the US domestic at about 350,000,000 (which is $60,000,000 more than MoS). Now since Batman and superman movies generally do about 48% of their worldwide total in the domestic market, that puts the overseas total at about 380,000,000. I don't think it's going to happen but if it doesn't make a Billion everything I kind of defended regarding what Hitfix reported is on the table (and to be fair there is enough negative out there already that makes the reports believable), I'd suspect a major reshuffling of the DC slate and some director/movie combos we've seen announced be reworked. If it makes 800 Million, meaning a Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman movie barely surpassing a Spider-Man movie that wasn't successful enough to want them to make another with the same cast and director, it would be a devastating PR/goodwill statement. Still, man I'd be completely blown away if this isn't reaching a Billion, and easily. If Deadpool outgrosses this movie, people will be getting fired.