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I think there is a distinct possibility if a couple of movies come thru, namely Warcraft and Assassin's Creed, that we could see somewhat of a game-to-film fast track era, especially by studios who don't have superhero plum franchises to schedule their next decade around.

Idris Elba and Matthew McConaughey in Dark Tower confirmed by King. WOW.

I think consensus going in would have been that if Fury Road didn't get recognized it would show the irrelevance of the Oscars, not the opposite. Mad Max was definitely the sort of outsider movie out of the group that was up for the major awards - being more a crowd pleaser type of film.

I feel like, no matter if someone liked it or not, it was this year's non-hipster/artsy/truestory movie nominated that the Oscars like to add every now and then.

I can totally see why it would be appreciated technically though. I forgot what podcast it was but I heard someone call it the best movie without a story ever.

I feel like Fury Road is the most un-Oscary (which sometimes means good) of the nominees.

There is a lot of talk over on hisstank about Joe being put on the backburner with an all or nothing push with GI Joe 3 in 2017-2018.

I'm surprised it took this long.

As a JOE fan it wasn't hard to kind of see the brand dying, mostly to premium collectible type of stuff being announced, and it's hard not to look across the isle at Transformers, which even though people person_without_enough_empathy, Bay put together billions in profits and brand recognition with his films. TF is a force overseas too in a way that's almost impossible for JOE.

Both Hasbro and Mattel have to be looking at what's going with properties in films that share popularity peeks with their properties.

As a diehard JOE fan I hope they come up with something fun.

IMHO Gambit was never going to come out this year. It was simply a too optimistic a release date considering where the production was and Tatum's status always in flux.

 

I don't know if FOX is reevaluating everything because of Deadpool's success and Gambit may be scrubbed, but I'd just say that most people didn't think this movie was ever coming out this year even when that date was set. It was always going to be pushed back IMHO.

 

I think you are right. Though with the second director taking over the project (Edge of Tomorrow's Doug Liman) I had hopes he could pull it together.

 

But I could definitely see Fox reevaluating the releases as the demand is now anything related to Deadpool, X-Force and New Mutants. Better to not distract from that path.

I agree with that but I also would say that as hard as they worked on getting Tatum, a legit rising star, they might not want to burn that bridge too much.

It's gonna be one of the craziest things we've ever seen. It's like a film realization of a Perez mega group poster or like watching Justice League Unlimited where they have dozens of characters in the background you'd never thought you'd ever see at one time, much less together.

Also, really feel comfortable with these directors.

IMHO Gambit was never going to come out this year. It was simply a too optimistic a release date considering where the production was and Tatum's status always in flux.

I don't know if FOX is reevaluating everything because of Deadpool's success and Gambit may be scrubbed, but I'd just say that most people didn't think this movie was ever coming out this year even when that date was set. It was always going to be pushed back IMHO.

Interesting -- I knew Shane Black starred as Hawkins in the original Predator; I didn't know that he was also heavily involved in the original's screenplay.

 

Makes sense though -- it was a few years after Lethal Weapon.

What do you mean? They came out the same summer.

I really enjoy most of what he's written. Last Boy Scout, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, obviously Lethal Weapons, and I find Long Kiss Goodnight really watchable.

The Nice Guys is high up on my anticipation list for this year. Trailer was great.

Man, I loved that What If? series as well.

 

 

I did too that's why I loved Exiles. Check it out sometimes. They visit all types of

What If Worlds.

That's a really cool run.

The movie is going to make a billion easily worldwide, I don't think anyone questions that.

I do think they need it to be well recieved and generate excitement after its release. Man of Steel made money, ASM 2 made money, I think the $ is a forgone conclusion, I think they need this to be something that I THINK Civil War will be in terms of fan goodwill and excitement.

Like this cant be a "meh" or that was alright" movie.

I guess the difference is like Man of Steel made more money than Iron Man 1, but I think we all kind of feel the general goodwill toward the latter where the Man of Steel feels divisive.

Rumors regarding Wonder Woman make me happy though.

Really in. Shane Black is a terrific writer which I think is an aspect that's been missing with some of the Predator stuff we've seen (though as I mentioned I did enjoy Predators). If we are talking about throwbackish action, this is the guy IMHO.

I remember when Hawk & Dove came out and seeing that cover thinking its Art Adams, I bought it immediately without thinking, next month everyone was talking about that book and this new artist. the next big liefeld book was What If #7.. When it got to NM85/86 Rob was already the new "new kid on the block" (fresh soon after Mcfarlane) and then everything else followed

 

A walk down Copper Age memory lane.

 

 

I remember having that Hawk & Dove mini series. The artwork was actually not bad compared to the later New Mutants work.

 

 

I forgot about this one.

Scott Williams.

At some point Williams decided he was mainly just going to ink Jim.

In various documentaries you hear the IMAGE founders speak about how even inkers who would normally be viewed as great really didn't fit them, which is why when they started their studios you saw an influx of new inkers.

Is the 7.5 million reported print run for X-Men # 1 also unconfirmed?

 

The number thrown around is usually 8.1 to 8.5 million copies.

 

But are any of those numbers real?

 

 

By all means...if you have any of these sources, share them.

 

I think you'll find a lot of circular citing going on.

Regarding the X-Men #1 sales, I've heard Jim Lee state he got paid by Marvel (he got royalties and I'd suspect he'd remember such a specific number representing what was at the time perhaps the biggest payday in the industry for an artist - not to mention a personal highlight) on 7.7 million copies sold officially, the single biggest check he got until Image started.

CW feels right for this, I think they or ABC family would have knocked this out of the park. Intrigued.

100 Million would see an incredible (re)shuffling at WB regarding the DCU slate IMHO.

Very cool piece by Charlie Jane at i09/Gizmodo about the Superman/Batman that didn't happen:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-the-failed-200-1761550349?

While I wouldn't have minded if it was an asian cast, would have been fine, I don't really have an inferiority complex when it comes to white people, if anything it's the opposite , so I don't require to be uplifted via funny book casting.

That said, I am aware many people would agree with my conclusion, but for more deplorable reasons.

From the start I was most excited about Iron Fist when the netflix stuff was announced so I'm happy to see it going forward.

I need to binge and catch up like I recently did with The 100.

So, does this series end after season one or are they looking to keep it going after they plant the new tree?

I haven't been keeping up so I might be outdated here or just outright wrong , but as I've mentioned above I suspect if ratings and interest is high we will see the adaptationof Wishsong of Shannara, the third book in the series.

Folks...a little perspective.

 

Cable was IMMENSELY popular when he first appeared on the scene. Within literally 6 months of his first appearance...and granted, New Mutants #87 didn't take the world by storm...he was the single hottest new character in comics.

 

By the time New Mutants #100 came out, #87 was a $65 book...that would be roughly equivalent to a new issue of Fantastic Four selling for $350 now.

 

Cable was huge, the clear leader of the new Marvel "triad" of Cable, Gambit, and Bishop.

 

Deadpool, a cultural icon...?

 

 

Shouldn't one have to be fairly popular for a generation or more to be a "cultural icon"...?

 

Deadpool was nothing, and "nobody" cared about him until about 2008. Up to that point, he was just another failed 90's intro, and there are hundreds of them.

 

Clearly, Deadpool has become a POP icon, and is the most popular character currently in comics...which is saying something...and I'm not saying that DP didn't pass Cable in popularity a while ago. He did.

 

But...Cable did what Deadpool never did, and there's quite a bit of nostalgia for the character that simply isn't present for DP. Does that mean Cable could become as popular?

 

Maybe. The Fox/Marvel thing is a great problem.

 

But we'll see.

 

This fits and mirrors and my recollection.

 

I would want to add that while sure, both Ghost Rider and Punisher experienced renewed interest and titles, I would not underestimate how, even compared to healthy titles, dominant the X-brand was.

 

Cable was the biggest new thing at the X-verse and was weaved into the mythology from the start, and while we can count miniseries and solo series, Cable was major in big X events, and there were no consistently bigger events (you'd have outliers like Death of Superman, which was in many ways an act of desperation for DC which was not only getting killed by Marvel, but was seeing other publishers grab heat).

 

If one wasn't a fan personally or maybe not a fan of Marvel, or the X-Men block specifically, or the era, but this was arguably the biggest era of comics and for a awhile there Cable felt like the third most talked about character at Marvel, behind Spidey and Wolverine (people have to remember that the Avengers related books of the time and FF were just not anything near what the X-Office was.

 

Obviously he's not as popular as Deadpool now, and kids did know of Deadpool before the film via games, and ever con will reveal how popular he is relative to other characters, but Cable was huge in a pure comic book sense for awhile and if you are an X-men head always will be important just based on that initial impact and his familial ties. Hell, just recently he was at the forefront of X-events from Messiah Complex on.

 

I think it's arguable, and maybe RMA can comment, there was a like 4-6 year period where the X-Men brand constituted the biggest thing we've ever seen in comics. Even after the IMAGE exodus those books were crowding the top 20 sales. Generation X, Age of Apocalypse, Fatal Attractions, and freakin' Scott Lobdell was probably making more royalties of any Big 2 writer.

 

I still love the 90s Ghost Rider (Dan Ketch). Hell, I even enjoy Vengeance which I believe has a potential for upside.

 

Nick Cage was not a good option and the scripts were horrible. The comics have been pretty blah since then too. Turning him orange and manga was pfffttttt.

 

Give him a decent actor and a better -script and it might be gold. In all honesty, it would work better if he wasn't the focus/sole character.

 

Patrick

That Ghost Rider, the ONLY Ghost Rider for my money, was wonderful. I jumped on because of the X-Men crossover and the Brood!

I think the problem is that those movies, at least the first one, probably happened or t least fast tracked because Nic Cage was involved. I think -script and just what constituted a comic book movie was more the issues, I think good Nic Cage is a fine actor.

RDJ didn't get a crazy good deal on the 1st Iron Man, he was basically out, and for that reason he actually made a ton of money later because he was not locked in long term. RDJ was known, yes, but not for the things that get you big time jobs anymore, and really his return was in a little, but an little movie called Kiss, Kiss, Bang Bang (directed by Shane Black, would would go on to direct Iron Man 3). It's pretty well known that Terrance Howard was the highest paid actor in Iron Man 1 (and later was replaced for Cheadle).

 

Because he wasn't locked in and because Iron Man was such a hit and garnered Disney's interest, RDJ was not only able to renegotiate early but he had enough juice to insure better deals for his other castmates using the enormous leverage his performance garnered him, but Jon Favreau had to champion RDJ for the role strong. Since then he has been able to get enormous money, reportedly 80 million for Age of Ultron and CIvil War.

 

RDJ was a risk that paid off big, and because he and the film was a risk he wasn't stuck on a long term deal that others after him go (Marvel was notoriously frugal). He was absolutely regarded as a quality actor, but with demons.

 

Correct except for the risk involved. Yes both actors were a risk but Jackman was the biggest risk as he had no US film history and was replacing the actor for the role due to Mission Impossible II taking longer than scheduled (Dougray Scott) A last minute fill in and couple a actor with no history was a bigger gamble than RDJ. Yes his drug history is always a gamble but at least Marvel knew if clean he could act.

Oh yeah I wasn't really arguing between the two, I was just saying that RDJ was not a slam dunk decision initially, it was more Marvel, or more specifically Favreau, giving him an opportunity at first than it was a big movie star taking a chance on the film. Iron Man was very much a surprise and a redemption where both parties won big.

And for that Disney really came out of pocket and gave him money in a way they only really gave a Depp before for creating a multimedia blockbuster.

I'd say both Jackman and RDJ achieved levels that were both pleasant surprises. Undeniable though, yes, everyone knew RDJ was once looking like a great actor.

RDJ didn't get a crazy good deal on the 1st Iron Man, he was basically out, and for that reason he actually made a ton of money later because he was not locked in long term. RDJ was known, yes, but not for the things that get you big time jobs anymore, and really his return was in a little, but an little movie called Kiss, Kiss, Bang Bang (directed by Shane Black, would would go on to direct Iron Man 3). It's pretty well known that Terrance Howard was the highest paid actor in Iron Man 1 (and later was replaced for Cheadle).

Because he wasn't locked in and because Iron Man was such a hit and garnered Disney's interest, RDJ was not only able to renegotiate early but he had enough juice to insure better deals for his other castmates using the enormous leverage his performance garnered him, but Jon Favreau had to champion RDJ for the role strong. Since then he has been able to get enormous money, reportedly 80 million for Age of Ultron and CIvil War.

RDJ was a risk that paid off big, and because he and the film was a risk he wasn't stuck on a long term deal that others after him go (Marvel was notoriously frugal). He was absolutely regarded as a quality actor, but with demons.

Colossus hasn't been interesting since probably Whedon's Astonishing before that Deadpool movie. Odd pairing, totally pulled it off.

I have a question. I think we are agreeing Deadpool is obviously bigger, but are some people arguing that Cable was never a big character in the comics? I think there is an objective answer regarding that.

I think Cable is getting extra credit in this analysis because he was made a centerpiece of various story arcs in the X-universe. Those books would have sold a quadrillion copies without him like they were doing before him.

 

Mind you, I DO have a horse in this race as I have several NM 87 (and 88, 89 and 86) and no NM 98 (and have sold most of my 1998 series books and it looks like I will never retire on my stack of X-Force 2sssss), so I should probably just shut up, but for some reason I can't seem to help myself. It is a problem.

 

I think Thor 339 is better than all of them though....

 

Oh, I agree, there's no question that it would have sold no matter what, but they chose to use Cable, not Gambit, not Deadpool, not Psylocke, not Dazzler, not Longshot, not Havok, not whoever, they put the hot character at the forefront. There were also a series about Cable and feeding into people's interest in the character's origins like that Cyclops and Phoenix book. There was interest in anything associated with him, see Stryfe's Strike File or Askani's Son.

Now consider how popular the X-Men already were and that a new character was able to pretty much jump over them all.

Been waiting for a good Dawn of Justice poster, so far only grabbed the Wonder Woman one.

Still trying to figure out the Lois casting.

I think there's only been one, maybe two enjoyable Lois castings ever.

Folks...a little perspective.

 

Cable was IMMENSELY popular when he first appeared on the scene. Within literally 6 months of his first appearance...and granted, New Mutants #87 didn't take the world by storm...he was the single hottest new character in comics.

 

By the time New Mutants #100 came out, #87 was a $65 book...that would be roughly equivalent to a new issue of Fantastic Four selling for $350 now.

 

Cable was huge, the clear leader of the new Marvel "triad" of Cable, Gambit, and Bishop.

 

Deadpool, a cultural icon...?

 

 

Shouldn't one have to be fairly popular for a generation or more to be a "cultural icon"...?

 

Deadpool was nothing, and "nobody" cared about him until about 2008. Up to that point, he was just another failed 90's intro, and there are hundreds of them.

 

Clearly, Deadpool has become a POP icon, and is the most popular character currently in comics...which is saying something...and I'm not saying that DP didn't pass Cable in popularity a while ago. He did.

 

But...Cable did what Deadpool never did, and there's quite a bit of nostalgia for the character that simply isn't present for DP. Does that mean Cable could become as popular?

 

Maybe. The Fox/Marvel thing is a great problem.

 

But we'll see.

This fits and mirrors and my recollection.

I would want to add that while sure, both Ghost Rider and Punisher experienced renewed interest and titles, I would not underestimate how, even compared to healthy titles, dominant the X-brand was.

Cable was the biggest new thing at the X-verse and was weaved into the mythology from the start, and while we can count miniseries and solo series, Cable was major in big X events, and there were no consistently bigger events (you'd have outliers like Death of Superman, which was in many ways an act of desperation for DC which was not only getting killed by Marvel, but was seeing other publishers grab heat).

If one wasn't a fan personally or maybe not a fan of Marvel, or the X-Men block specifically, or the era, but this was arguably the biggest era of comics and for a awhile there Cable felt like the third most talked about character at Marvel, behind Spidey and Wolverine (people have to remember that the Avengers related books of the time and FF were just not anything near what the X-Office was.

Obviously he's not as popular as Deadpool now, and kids did know of Deadpool before the film via games, and ever con will reveal how popular he is relative to other characters, but Cable was huge in a pure comic book sense for awhile and if you are an X-men head always will be important just based on that initial impact and his familial ties. Hell, just recently he was at the forefront of X-events from Messiah Complex on.

I think it's arguable, and maybe RMA can comment, there was a like 4-6 year period where the X-Men brand constituted the biggest thing we've ever seen in comics. Even after the IMAGE exodus those books were crowding the top 20 sales. Generation X, Age of Apocalypse, Fatal Attractions, and freakin' Scott Lobdell was probably making more royalties of any Big 2 writer.

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