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2 hours ago, JazzMan said:

Buy from Heritage and you will know what pain really feels like.

Yup!! ...gonna avoid Heritage as much as I can now, unless there's a book I REALLY REALLY want

2 hours ago, Lazyboy said:

which is true

take FF52 vs IH181 for example

IH181. Census 14K

https://comics.gocollect.com/guide/view/134372

FF52. Census 5K

https://comics.gocollect.com/guide/view/126637

Now if you count a decent copy of at least 6+

IH181 grade 6+ population roughly 70% x 14K = 9800

FF52 grade 6+ population roughly 49% x 5K = 2450

and yet

For IH181 grade 6+ will cost you $8K, where FF52 grade 6+ will cost you only $1.5K

That's why I think there's very low risk in silver age comics, they are rare and their prices are not inflated like bronze age keys

Is this silver age or bronze?

also does anyone notice this book is wider than other SA books? prolly the size of GA books

Are bronze age FF heating up like the SA books??

6 minutes ago, WeR138 said:

And throw in a big dose of FOMO on top of that.

"What the heck!  You mean other people got a stimulus check too!  I've got to buy before they're all gone!"

...and Disney keeps reminding people weekly, superhero this, superhero that...

12 minutes ago, Randall Ries said:

Well, how many documented cases of missed restoration are there? Is CGC clean as far as missed restoration? I doubt it. I have to imagine there are other companies who do a MUCH more thorough job of detecting restoration with far more sophistication than a lousy black light.

AFAIC, graders notes should be present with every single grade as part of the package. If I have a book that is an obvious 9.0 and it comes back a 7.5, I want to know why and I shouldn't have to beg or buy to get my own results from the grading process I paid for. It's like getting an x-ray and the doc tells me I'm dying but won't tell me from what. Seriously. Is CGC the only company that WON'T provide grader notes for your submission? I'm starting to think that's probably true.

I have a feeling most grading companies aren't that far apart. Because this is a CGC forum, the boardies will become apologists. I've seen misgrades with all the companies. I don't think it's anything malevolent. It's imperfect people with differing opinions of what grade is what. There are low 9.0's and high 9.0's. Buy the damned book if it looks right to you. Or don't.

It's not like we're apologists, it's more like we have no other choice.

I wish there were more competitions on par to CGC to keep them in check, I wish there were standardized grading guidelines, problem is that we don't have those......so like it or not we're stuck with CGC.....Admit it, most, if not all of us, see this comic collecting as fun hobby AND some sort of investment (or at least as asset that maintain its value). If it's some form of investment, then it better be liquid, easy to sell. And CGC-graded books are the most liquid of them all 

14 minutes ago, BrooksR said:

It would be nice if everyone could agree to a consistent standard to minimize subjectivity. It seems like everyone is based on overstreet but has their own secret recipe on top of it.  

The real value of grading, I think, is in having pros detect restoration, trimming, etc. Things you can’t see in pictures. That’s what draws me to them, for expensive older books at least.

 

agree, maybe CCA can issue standards and guidelines on grading to maintain consistency, and let profit organizations implement those guidelines

so the customers know, regardless which company grades the books, they all at least following the same guidelines

11 minutes ago, BrooksR said:

I shouldn’t have quoted you as I was more responding to the thread in general, I apologize. 

I’ve never used pgx, I’ve never even seen one in real life. I have used the other service and was satisfied with the grading. If anything I found them to be stricter than cgc 🤷‍♂️

no worries...

I understand that competition is good, to keep CGC in check, but they're so far ahead of the other guys, their competitions can't keep them in check.

I'd rather see this grading stuff controlled/governed by non-profit organization

4 minutes ago, BrooksR said:

If selling them is the main reason you buy them you may be right. If you just want to collect a high grade preserved copy then one of those other services is a viable choice. I trust their grading. It’s not the one that starts wit a ‘p’.

I know this is a cgc board but why trash the other companies? If people like them let them use them, competition is good for consumers, right? 🙂

I didn't trash them, read my post carefully again......I'm just posting the fact, their books don't move as easily as CGCs...and personally I will never buy their books, because of the liquidity issue 

I don't understand the logic sending books to PGX/CBCS to grade, the books are much harder to sell....they are not as liquid as CGC graded books

From buyer perspective, the only way I'd buy PGX/CBCS if they're mega-keys, at the price I could afford, other than that NOPE, I won't buy PGX, CBCS graded books. PERIOD.......even though we enjoy collecting, we still want to have that choice to sell books easily, just in case........with PGX/CBCS, they just don't move in the market

I'm buying as many as I can fine copies of the ones I'm interested in.....

From what I posted on the other thread:

Superheroes comics are mainstream now. Gone are the days where superhero comics were just part of niche, geeky community. Now, thanks to Disney, everyone wants to be part of superhero movies/shows. Because that's the only ones that making money, the only ones that will guaranteed steady pay checks. Every single actor, director, executive, movie staff, etc; want part of the superhero shows, any other show is secondary

Between actors, producers, directors, executives, movie crews, board of directors, investors/bankers, etc, that's a lot of rich people....they were never interested in comics before, but now they are, since it's 'part of their jobs'...plus millions of consumers who are bombarded by blockbuster movies, weekly Disney+ shows

Superheroes are mainstream now. Gone are the days where superhero comics were just part of niche, geeky community. Now, thanks to Disney, everyone wants to be part of superhero movies/shows. Because that's the only ones that making money, the only ones that will guaranteed steady pay checks. Every single actor, director, executive, movie staff, etc; want part of the superhero shows, any other show is secondary

As long as that's the case, comics will still be relevant. Love it or hate it, this is the way now...

FEEBAY 

That un-straight, white spine looks FUGLY!!!

IH181 looks awfully bubbly, tons of 8+ to 9+ priced at 10K-20K been sitting on eBay for weeks,

if there's a crash, this is the first to go....

6 hours ago, miraclemet said:

One of her relatives (a cousin I believe?) commented and contacted the writer at the goodgirlcomics blog when they posted this article a while back. 

https://www.goodgirlcomics.com/okajima/

The article writer did mention to me that the relative was also aware of the inclusion of some of the Okajima comics in the 50 Object project a few years ago that documented (through objects) the Asian American experience of internment during WWII. Its a rotating online (and sometimes exhibited) exhibit, that can be seen here https://50objects.org/history/

There have been a few Okajima books included in various museum exhibits about Japanese Internment camp era over the years..

Nice to know!!

Though I kinda wish that the relative provided a picture of her or at least more information about her....if she's in early 20s in 1944, she would be in the 70s when her collection was re-discovered, 80s in 2000s....

Heritage system is still messed up, it keeps going off 'Fair Warning' when bidding is still busy 

off-center covers are the worst, they drive me nuts!!

Amazing story!!! Bravo all around to those who have contributed to this documentary thread, especially to @miraclemet  @path4play  @skypinkblu @Griff  @cheetah who have been the driving force of this thread

I actually went through most of the pages in this thread for several hours.

Are her family/descendants recognized that CGC actually recognized Okajima's collection? Did CGC ever contact her family? This is one collection I hope that can be brought together again someday for some sort of exhibition. I hope a rich collector buy up as many Okajimas out there as possible and gather and donate them all to a museum/library. 

It's Okajima's story that needs to be preserved more than just her books

2 minutes ago, path4play said:

Check out the Okajima thread for a good afternoon of reading....

Thanks!! ..found it, it's a huge thread...will read it for days 

I just read the entire thread. wonderful story!! absolutely amazing collection!!! 

This thread should be archived, 

anymore pedigree threads like this?.. I'm very new here and would love to read stories like this 

2 hours ago, Mike_1 said:

It was a cbcs and they jumped since that auction and a $5900 sale on eBay.  I honestly think sellers are boosting by buying copies with alt accounts.  I know for sure it happened with the jordan rookies in the last year

but isn't that seller charged commission by eBay? I don't know how much

On 3/3/2021 at 1:01 PM, WernerVonDoom said:

Two new upgrades plus I never pass up a chance to post the 110 variant.

 

 

I heard about this variant, what's the story? was it ink printing error?

once you sell it, then what? what u gonna do with that money? ...start another collection? 

most people rush through collecting, hoping to 'collect them all', reach the finish the line, brag for a while, then they get confused what's next??

part of the collecting is the journey, do something fun with your collection, display them, upgrade them, make them part of your life, let say decorate your room/home with your collection as the center-piece, branch out a little maybe collect X-Men figures, etc

FF1 is iconic, timeless, so it's FF1 anytime, anywhere