mr.schomburg

Pretty much! Hard book! Both of us were insufficiently_thoughtful_persons for not just telling him to ship and they we sort out the details later! Fugnubit!

No, but I did try! I am guarantied the next shot, when ever that happens! I should have just told him to ship it.. I feel so dumb at letting that one go! You can never have to many, after all the hard ones you can always sell for at least even. P

Is my 46 ready for pick up?

Yowza! That is a freaking nice book! I'll go hide behind my 5.5 copy!!! Really nice pick up!

Really I don't have a problem with Green, Purple or any other color of label! I don't mind one way or the other, my thoughts are very simple which is a testament to how my brain works. I just care about the knowledge behind the assigned grade, albiet restored or universal unrestored. Like many of the commentors of this thread I feel the best comic should get the best dollar in a sale. So in the case of the MF 52, reguardless of label designation or restoration, the sale is just that the highest amount paid for this particular comic. It would portray that a book in the same condition with out "work" should and most likely would sell for more. It all comes down to disclosure, and then to the buyer and the seller to make the value happen. The market, up and down determines the values of our paper treasures, not CGC, not restoration experts such as Matt N. If all is disclosed, and it should be at all times inclusive of pressing(although I see nothing wrong with it and therefore would proudly disclose it), and restoration the market will determine value. I personally would like to see restored books move away from the last 7 yrs of taboo, and in my opinion we are seeing that right now. Of course this in my opinion, and is really only relevant to the Golden age, I like the earlier statement about a seperate guide or section soley devoted to GA in the next or furture Overstreet guide. Its a different animal, conveluted, athestetically pleasing, artfully delicious, and wildly exciting market with in comics. I look at whats happening in the GA today as a second coming of the pinical of comic-dome! There is a new wave of GA collectors introducing themselfs into the grind, and with each comes new appetites and budgets and collecting goals. I hate to do this to Adam(Filter81), but what a prime example of a young guy who enters the hobby and makes a incredible collection and a living from buying and selling Golden age comics. In fact Restored books( those dinosaurs laying around unwanted are the keys to his success) Are restored books worth that much less than the untouched? Well, yes in some cases, and in others not so much. What I wouldn't give for a Overstreet completely dedicated to Golden age, with a guide for unrestored, and a guide for restored which would and should have a base restored price on minor pro restoration at level 1 then a lessening percentage as the level of restoration increases. I would also like to see the values for both sides to be based off real market values from ebay and auction houses based upon the GPA for unrestored and restored! This way a book that is so hot even pro extesive work brings 4x guide its noted, maybe not with a price in guide, but the information of the sale is in the column with the rest of guide values. I also like the idea of each issue guided seperately, not lumped together. I think its a great idea one I would pony up for every year. Gemstone would have another renuable cash cow, its a win win in my book! Man if I had that info, what a blessing that would be, GPA of all pertanant sales in the last year, restored and otherwise, values reflective of this. Then you could take the average of the current sales and stack to the guide price given, subtract or add to market condtions. It would be boon to both collectors and sellers! Not to mention bring credibility to restored books again as long term investments and treasures with the ever increasing gold factor that drives all collectors to some degree, even those who would never sell and would rather die than part with their loved popular culture art. Even those guys get tickled when they crack an overstreet after 3 or 4yrs of not looking and go holy sh$t! So here's the short list: 1. All labels good, color doesn't matter! 2. All information good-Full disclosure stablizes market and values! 3. New guide for GA with comparative sales and averaged real market values for current guide value! Key issue sales high and low with factors of books such as resto, pedigree, ect... 4.Oregon Duck football Rules! 5. and I love beer and comics!

the Honus Wagner card is not a card at all. It was trimmed out from an uncut sheet many years ago. Even if that fact is news to the present owner (after he bought it) its no big deal. Its well past th epoint of acceptance as the mnost valuable trading card. Maybe he overpaid a bit, buts its value hasnt dropped to only 80K, has it? It is what is it, a near pefect sole copy of the rarast baseball card that happened to have been created after the fact by a high up card collector as for the whole dot of color touch or glue on killer Pedigree key books? I agree with Action1. And of late, I also agree a bit more with Borock and Bedrock. If I have in my hand a killer GA key book and put a dot of color touch or glue on the cover, is its value REALLY decimated? Isnt the book in actuality still a killer book with one tiny flaw? If the book only had that little flaw/damage that could be cured by a dot of color touch or glue, I mean, was the book SO "beat up" as to be undesirable? And is it now really comparable to a book that had had much more restoration? Or had work done to fool the eye inti thinking the book was a lot better than it actuality was? Lately, for these few "tiny dot" examples, Im seeing more of the REST of the book than the tinyy area that had the "work" Restoration....that word, well it brings on many, many feelings. Here is my two cents, or three depending on how tired I get before I finish. A comic book with very, very minor restoration should be handled just like this. The comic should be given a "Blue Label" it should be down graded to show defect, i.e. a spot of glue if removed might take the book down from a 9.2 to 8.0(may have awsome eye appeal, but have the minor defect). Same goes for a very minor amount of color touch. It comes back to disclosure via the label, present the facts and let the collector decide the merit of its value! It goes without saying that these examples with such minor tampering should be delt with, but putting the scarlet letter is much to harsh. So I agree with CGC and PGX and all who feel the same. I believe this standard should apply to the Golden Age only, as the rest of the markets are much more rich in inventory and most know better now. As to books with minor professional restoration or very well done amature, basically a cleaning and a small amount of color, maybe a tear seal or two and spine reinforcement. Basically mostly conservation....the rule should apply, but not as much as changing the label, but how we look at these books. I would prefer to have unrestored, but finances and scacity play roles in my collecting choices, so on many early or key books I have no other option other than restored copies. Richard Evans is exactly right by his thinking and even at cons like Chicago and San Diego other dealers are following suit, Restored or not they don't have the inventory to let these books go cheap anymore, and Rick and I can tell you on some books you still can pay upto 4x guide for a heavily restored book. So as in my recent MMC 3 from Bedrock with minor to moderate pro restoration which looks 9.2/9.4 ish..what is the appropriate value? I know of a recent sale which most likely was close to 40K for the same book unrestored....Is 1/10 enough of a break? Or, should it be more like 25% of market value? That there in lies the problem, there is no guide for this, on top of that it is changing as we speak. There are the hardliners which will not accept a restored book, and there are the hobbiest/completionist which thrive on such books to meet there collecting goals and allows them access to the big guns via a less expensive route. I see restored books becoming a force in the future. Especially those with minor removable work! I see increases in values and record prices to for these books on key issues. Obviously non-restored should always trump touched books, and will. But the Scarlet Letter will soften, the market demands it, as more collectors want books which via price or scarcity do not exist for them in unrestored. Moderate professionall restored books I see languishing behind a little more, but still will show significant growth, and I still see them as viable investment books. Extensive restored books will grow, but big gains will be seen on super rare keys, i.e. the Action 1's, MC 1's Tec 27's, AA 16's, and MF 52's. If you want a high super key in grade, this catagory might be your only hope unless you have loads of cash. This is already true today, but my opinion is that it will only increase over the next 10 yrs. My opinion is that restoration doesn't change the inherit collectablity of comics, yes, it should impact value compared to a untouched book in same condition is and should be considered much more rare, but its still a rare book right? I mean who hear would not want a MC 1, or a Action 1 even with restoration! The practice of calling a book unrestored and naming the tiny amount of work is abosutely fine with me. After all, I am being told about it, I can always lower my bid or ask for a discount. Its my choice, all factors are disclosed, so I don't see the issue. After all, some restoration is really conservation in my opoinion i.e. tear seals, and cleaning. These items prolong the life of the paper, which will increase the longevity of the hobby. Looks like I gave a little more than .02 cents, sorry! Paul

G-Money, yeah thats right not Gator, not Rickie, not Tec Kid, from now on you are G-Money. I have made jokes about you finishing Cap before me, Hell I only have 54, but I am doing the whole run inclusive of the Romita books, but this is incredible, insane, amazing, astonishing, flat out.....ok I am jealous you will finish before me. Acck! Zabit! Dorf! Two last things 1) you make me sick 2) I love your books The Schomster!

Richie, I really love all the Mystic covers, but my favorites have got to be 4,7, and 10!! Outstanding my friend, I loved scrolling down the first 4.... Larson Larson Larson San Fran... Where is the Chicago? P

I quit! I don't think I can look at my books the same again! I pretty much a have 4 boxes of CGC and PGX Sh$t compared to what I just saw!

Billy, and Johnny..amazing books, makes me want to own a Chicago Timely! a little clap for both of you!

Your a machine arn't you Scrooge! Not human to retain that much knowledge. It hurts my poor intellect to even think about your intellect!

Rick, you really shouldn't have, far, far to generous. Anyway, I send my adress via PM. You really picked me up some pretty copies. Paul

What is cool about collecting comics?? Well in my opinion almost everything! For me its a time capsule into an earlier time. I may have not been alive during this earlier time, but I can relate to it for some reason. Don't get me wrong I am a man of the 21st Century, meaning I like my plasma TV, computers, internet, and most things modern. What I do conect with is an earlier time when people cared a little more, and worked a little harder. For me, buying a old funny book from the 40's conects me with these earlier people and social mores. I enjoy reading posts showing pictures of young kids crowded around this artform in its infantcy. I love the smell of old paper and ink, I love the color and richness of that color as it performs a titalation of my eyes. I love the way puplishers used this to not only market youth, but to rally them in a patriotic fever. Uniting the nation to rally behind the troops, sacrificing profits, all for the benifit of our country. Can you imagine this today? Not likely! Characters were fresh and new as the art form. Colorfull, exciting, outlandish, and to the 10yr old of 1940 something visually stunning. Pre sit com, pre-video game, these funny books we love did far more than polute the minds of 40's american children. They taught reading, imagination, hope, patriotism, and love of art. In fact what drew me into comics as a young child was the Patriotism of Captain America. He was the best of what we as a nation should be, the perfect American. I was attracted to the selfless nature of God and Country before your own needs even then. It was the Schomburg Overstreet cover with Cap floating down to kick arse that hooked me, untill that time it was make mine Richie Rich. From that point forward, it was Cap, the Spidey, Iron man, Hulk and on to others. My first silver age back issue was in fact Captain America 100, man I was hooked. I knew someday I would buy a Captain America Comics #1, but of course I wanted a Mint copy and at that time its was like $3000.00, might as well been a Million to me. Now finally getting a copy it is a sweet as I could have ever imagined. Its not mint, but its perfect to me. In every possible sense of the word and experience its perfect an actuall GEM Mint! It is my feeling that this experience, reconecting to an earlier time is what makes the hobby(passion) so completely wonderful. With out it, I doubt prices would be even close to today's amazing values. Comic collecting is a wonderfull disease which is impossible to explain to someone not afflicted. Today, I pulled out all my Timely's and just stared at each cover, marveling the imagination, creativity, and social conditions of the time. I was transfixed, and moved to another time where things appeared to be simpler, more defined. Maybe that is a fantasy, maybe not, but its mine and I enjoy it. The thought of young boys and girls running around to the local newstand and rushing home to ready to read the next Chapter is a good thought. Heck, today I would be afraid to let my kids go anywhere with out supervision. A world where locking the door was a rarity, not where its expected and foolish not to. I think what I conect most with is the feeling of wanting to be suprised. That almost never happens to me anymore. Maybe I am not correct in my thinking but I think that, that is the difference. There was a world of possiblities, not said facts. Discovery's around every corner, new worlds, adventure, action, all things lost today. Nothing is supprising or new, its all so common place we don't strive for much. So maybe, thats what I hang on to, and covet with old funny books. Its my gateway to forgotten worlds of adventure and action, where the good guy is good, and he doens't always win the battle, but he does win the war. Where realism is not faked, but delt with in a honest portrayal. Bad or good, at least honest with out political correctness or politics, and where a dime bought you this, and another .25 cents got you a soda, popcorn and movie.

I am not Dead! I live on!

He looks like an evil Ed Norton. Great pick-up! Jack Wow, even for a DC, that is a nice book!

Super difficult and nice run! Thanks for posting! Schommy

nice indeed scrooge. remember the doublemint gum commerical from way back? here are "three runs, three runs, three runs in one!" just closed two of them in c'town; literally from A to Z. Paaarker!!!! That was my imatation of old JJJ! Super nice! I likey! Schommy

Great bunch of books Scrooge! Very nice (thumbs u Schommy

Robbing Peter to pay, Paul? Jack Peter and Paul have both robbed from me! Well, we will have to see what Mary has to say about that.

Peter, Its cool, I need to pay off a couple of books first. Super nice pick up! Paul

Peter, Its cool, I need to pay off a couple of books first. Super nice pick up! Paul

Congrats Peter!!! So nice!

I am not sure of the Tech grade, but 9.4 would not be out of the question, with very slight professional...might be moderate as the book was cleaned. Basically has some spine work and other then cleaning/pressing nadda, nothing, zip...so from the spine over all origional. You really cant tell any resto, its very good work. top notch. Paul "I oviously passed on it..it is overgraded...probably more like a 1.5 , the resto job looks horrible (it was obviously a frankenbook!!), only a bafoon would pay $2 for that POS...." at least that is what I am telling myself for NOT buying it!!!! great, great looking book, congrats paul! gator Thanks for passing!

I am not sure of the Tech grade, but 9.4 would not be out of the question, with very slight professional...might be moderate as the book was cleaned. Basically has some spine work and other then cleaning/pressing nadda, nothing, zip...so from the spine over all origional. You really cant tell any resto, its very good work. top notch. Paul I saw it in person and it's just a stunning book (thumbs u I thought about buying it briefly but then remembered that I had already bought 2 big books and my wife would kill me if I bought a third Steve, I actually blame you for my purchase. I actually thought you might go ahead and pull the trigger on it. I had been thinking on it for a couple months, and then seeing it, I had been going back and forth all convention long. Your interest brought me over the edge, as I was afraid I would not have the oppertunity again if I didn't pull the trigger. That being said, I am glad. Its a incredible book and deserves to be in my collection Oh, and I haven't told my wife, the Cap 1 was enough to swallow!!!!