Aman619

Being as I may have been the individual_without_enough_empathy. (As I was referred to by somebody ) that suggested new art was added overseas... well, as someone else pointed out, having a comics company that produces its own comics would have little trouble getting an artists or bullpen to add an inch of background. Happens all the time. however looking again at the original art image, or rather the mechanical, since it’s not the art anymore, I now see that the artwork is a photostat taken from the OA.. look at the bottom, in the white area... there’s a straight line (the shadow of the cut) where you see the stat rubber cemented in place over the board. So a decision was made here in the states to zoom in, or just crop the art differently than it was drawn to make room for the Green Goblin face and sales hype. And, Conceivably the full art was Later made available to the licensees to use in laying out their covers. Someone pointed out that this was in a transitional period where artists were still drawing using obsolete cover dimensions (?) .. if so there must be a lot of other covers that are all photostats published in this window of time. Are there? If not, Marvel decided to make sure we could see the green Goblins face on the cover to Boost sales. So they created that one inch graphic on the left, causing an inch of the art on the right to be cropped off US covers.

.??? No that’s not my intention... just describing the underlying science of printing in its simplest terms...to see if I’ve got it right.. and expecting you with hands on web press experience to get what I’m saying. Same principals at work since stone lithography, etc... just mechanized to churn out 1000s of impressions at a time...

Marwood has been collecting these overseas variants for years and discovered all the font changes etc. and has demonstrated that overseas (British) Marvels were in fact printed here in the states, just before or just after the American copies... so I think what he’s asking here is while Marvel must have ordered the plate changes here, WHY change the font? From a printing standpoint, both say 10c. Black on white bkgnd. There’s no need to make any change to the cover plates here (as they had to do when the 10c was in the artwork,or a color area of the cover —- yet they did. Unless Marvel and the printer wanted an easy way to tell the editions apart for shipping without opening them up to look at the inside front covers where a line crediting the overseas licensor was added? Os, determining from the cover price font may have been the solution to make it easier?

Thanks for the explanations. I’ve seen the soft plates you’re talking about. As collectibles at shows... you quoted my line about “mountains”. I think you see what I meant. Printing is done by transferring ink to plates but only in the spots you want the ink to appear, so plates are etched by eating away areas leav8ng high points (mountains) ... only these areas receive ink. They pass the ink to the sheets of paper... over and over again. And are prone to small failures. same basic process as a rubber hand stamp. If you apply the ink carefully, with just the right amount of pressure, and press it onto the carefully, you get a perfect image. Magazine printing is the same basic principal, Only scaled up a thousandfold.

Wait, as a followup... these are the covers we are seeing errors on. Not the newsprint. Arent the covers printed to higher quality (and dot screen, 100? 150? using metal plates? Pieces wouldn’t chip off Metal plates would they? Meaning that these errors were sloppy stripping. some guys like that!

Got it. Iv3 had a lot of printing done and been on press, but never worked at a printers. So I don’t know all the terminology. A blanket is a rubber ink transferring “plate”, but not a metal plate. Because this is cheap printing... So, being a rubber thing, the mountains that transfer the ink are prone to chipping loose... yes?

Look again, there’s a corner piece of the blue cyan plate not printing, upper right corner above the Marvel masthead strip. similar issue to the circular lighter area on a different cover. I don’t know blanket smash, but in all these cases, the presses were stopped plates fixed and more copies printed. Pretty silly stop the presses for though. also I don’t get what you meant about the missing lines in the UPC. That doesn’t look consistent with a plate issue. More like a stripping omission, same as the Devil Dinosaur missing red. No?

Thta says it all.. “failed coup? Buhbye.

Yeah, but hopefully the cat will stay up this time..

Might be the seller had a nice day in the market on Friday and doesn’t have to sell his grail just yet.

I blame this thread!

You’re an experienced collector. Why are you freaking out about this? And if you’re not actually “freaking out” or object to the term, why are you so willing to pile on with others who never handle such books... and certainly not as often as Matt and other CGC graders do? We’ve had so many times here of newbies etc losing their minds accusing CGC of all sorts of crimes and misdemeanors. You’re splitting hairs to have it both ways. CGCs top graders can count the pages and examine my books — without gloves — any time I choose to send them down there... to Infer anything about CGCs methodologies to handling the books in their care while grading them from a cool video of ONE low grade but high value comic at a booth at a show is something Im surprised you are siding with the impressionable over this clickbait example of ineptitude and/or malice. CGC as a business has and still does make decisions that we have questioned their motives on, from a financial perspective But their grading system, albeit with a few unforced errors over 20 years, has been solid. Systematically mishandling comics (except by the slabs themselves! (Hah! Beat you all to it) ) has never been an issue. Not 100% perfect of course, but never a reason to worry about ones comics in their hands.

Reading a oped by Paul Krugman in the NYTimes. If we need more proof of how our little world of superheroes has achieved full mainstream cultural penetration (as opposed to decades ago when it was a back room geek fest only)... talking about the political theory maximillism (going full bore for your beliefs as opposed to a measured incremental approach): “maximalism is looking more than a bit like Green Lanternism — a belief that’s political miracles can be achieved by sheer force of will” reading it, halfway through, I was puzzled. Green Lanternism? Did I miss something recently about a lantern in the news? But “sheer force of will” sealed it. Maybe 20 years ago they’d throw in a POW! Or a Bam! For a little color and maybe something from the Superman canon. now nearly everyone knows so much about our comics world. Top of the World Ma!!!

yes it would. But Im trying to have scans at my "fingertips": meaning a click away, and not have to manually scan 1000s of comics! What Im after is to be looking at my copy in my database, with all its data but without a scan, and click once and SEE the book. I haven't figured out their system in order to solve that. the urls are not predictive or scriptable, or they might be with a lot more trial and error. Makes me wish I only had one magazine box of comics!!

I downloaded the CLZ desktop version and took a look around. It really does everything! Scans are soft though, so not a solution I was hoping for. (also the small insets are the same scans as the larger popup images when you click on them... so bigger image but same detail) But CLZ is a great reference - I can see why you recommended it. I created my own database and am hoping to add images (preferably in bulk) so an online solution would be more doable than a self-enclosed locked application

yes. Comics.org has what appears to be everything. problem was the scans are lo res. The details that determine a variant, or 2nd printing etc are hard to see or read. I know expecting hi res scans of everything is probably not out there, but I figured you guys would know if it exists!

thanx does it include the 80s b/w garbage etc? I noticed that Overstreet doesn't have many of the indie comics published over the years. Im not surprised really, just that SOMEONE must be trying to be all inclusive!

hi. Im cataloging all my Copper and Modern books, and rather than scan them all, is there a website (either dealer or collection organizer) that has scans of all comics published? Including variants, 2nd 3rd etc printings?? AND where the snakes are not lo res that you cant read the print? Ive tried GoCollect, ComicCollector but they have a lot but not all. Free is preferred but Id pay a fee to access everything. thanx

Well, you’re a submitter with a 100k book that suffered damage by their hands. I think they give you. A press in this situation to fix the problem and get you your 2.0 grade. It’s not even a case of catastrophic Irreversible damage! That crease ain’t going anywhere ... and short of having broken off a huge chunk along the crease, I mean, what’s the issue?

but its folding along the fold line that was already there. no extra harm ... its a pretty serious crease from looking at the front cover. The tone here is either CGCs people either dont KNOW how to handle comics, or dont care. I think after 20 years and millions of comics with a few mishaps, there'd be no reason to get all in a huff over this video. As I said earlier, to CGC, "extra damage" is quantifiable based on if it affects the grade. For this very not HG copy, the grade is unchanged, hence, no "damage". you can also argue that whatever slight extra strain to the papers, a press will reverse.

I don’t think you guys are using the word stigmata correctly, are you? Are the pages bleeding?

Jeez guys, that crease was already there ...

I agree. Someone experienced with handling comics, even a superman 1, knows what they are doing. In this case, with a 2.0 book, any small incidental damage to it doesn’t affect the grade anyway. From CGCs eyes thats what’s most important. And in our grade conscious hobby, all the owner cares about too. also, as many have learned, for all the improved books people score on, there are also some that go down in grade. Nature of the beast. I am confident that if serious damage occurred, GC would work out a settlement.

Danny is also a known collectibles signature forger... lot of signed items currently on sale.

most people who panic sell off in free falling markets always wait too long and say they will buy back at the bottom. or when it "settles". Problem is as history proves, if you are not still IN the market all the way down and back up, if you try to "time the market", you miss the 5 big uptick days that recoup a large % of your losses... a large percentage of what you need in gains to make you whole for your losses... this means that if you miss these big days on the way back up to 29000, your portfolio is still well short of where you were. You'd need the market to get back to 31000. I sold out in 2001 and was sorry. Hung in in 2008 and it turned out pretty good. this week is unpleasant. and may not be over. and sure makes we dream I sold off like I thought of doing because 29500 sure felt like a top for this run up, and cashing in huge profits isn't the worst thing!. And because with the election coming up. the bull will probably have only a short lifespan left (and even if it went up another 10% it would give it all back when it died anyway!), regardless of who wins. Trump would be a lame duck, chickens coming home to roost likely before the 2nd term ends and the "good days" end, or, alternatively, fears about going back to big govt and/or "socialist" policies would kill it. Im not picking sides, just laying out 2 alternatives come November from a market perspective, not a political one. having said this, I leave t to the financial pros to speak to whats going on and is likely to happen.