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Even if you get 100% of the bid price, if the buyer is paying a premium the consignor is NOT getting 100% . The buyer pays 110 when his winning bid is 100. Whenever there's a buyers premium, the sale price to focus on includes all money that changes hands. This is like the Bizarro viewpoint to the old boards argument about buyers commissions! The one where buyers complain about Heritage cheating them because they "won" the book for a 100 bid but have to pay 119.

True, but it's nothing like it was. The fraction of major studio movies with Western themes is a tiny fraction of what it was from the 1930s through the early 1960s. The same with network TV, where Bonanza, Gunsmoke, and many other Western series were highly rated in the 1950s and early 1960s. I don't follow network TV much these days. Are there any Western series on? Westerns have lost the place they once had in popular culture. The larger point is that tastes change. Everyone posting in this thread is likely to continue going to superhero movies as long as the studios are willing to turn them out. But people like us are not nearly enough of an audience. Given how expensive these films are, they need to appeal to large numbers of casual movie goers. They certainly do now, but I'm dubious that will be true indefinitely. If superhero movies follow Westerns into the dustbin of popular culture, what will the effect be on the comic collecting hobby? I have no idea, but it's hard to believe it won't have some negative effect. Hollywood will know fairly soon how long they can bank on superhero movies. But, in the studios thinking, they want blockbusters. And a good leg up in making a blockbuster and a potential franchise is source material that has a following already. Hollywood plays it safe, so a pitch based on existing successful known subjects has an advantage over a brand new created concept. Sure, sometimes these still manage to get produced and released. And sometimes they click and lead to sequels. Hollywode loves these big budget adventure extravaganza films because they actually entice people into theatres, which is still their biggest profit center. And big budget spectacular involve lots of CGI and mythic characters. That's why the superhero films are perfect subject matter right now, and they are clicking with moviegoers better than anything else. .. Especially when they are well made, and Marvel has been extraordinarily clever about their films. So this "fad" continues onward well past its genre expiration date. Can't last forever, but why can't it remain part of the Hollywood diet, even if it's no longer the biggest genre. What can replace it that isn't similar? People aren't interested in the Oscar contenders, or serious movies. Biopics can work, depending on the subject matter. But outside of these movies nothing else is really working out there...

IM 55 went hot when Thanos became a top Marvel villain and Avengers foe. Collectors would ask every dealer "you got Thanos?" And every convention causing dealers to scratch their heads at collectors weird interests... Ignoring all the "good stuff" on the wall. It was the beginning of the suddenly obscure book becoming the hot book du jour due to a new series, character reintroduction, and then movie and TV appearance.

Marvel was still Make Mine Marvel Sixties hierarchy. FF 1 came first, so it remained the #1 book. And until the XMen took over it was their best selling title. I'd say the movies propelled AF 15 past FF1. Spider is just a cooler more accessible character compared to a ream of old fuddy daddy dad , who is married, and lives with his wife's brother and his WW2 army buddy.

Another advantage of superheroes is that they aren't real people who can grow old and die... Just reinvented for each new generation. Unlike movie star s and baseball players.

Yeah. The genre still exists, and often done well too. Far from the dominant genre like it used to be which could be superheroes fare as well...

Check your PMs . It's the little white envelope thing up,top of page and must be blinking like crazy!!!

As for westerns, what has happened is that it was the looking backward milieu of westerns that killed them once the space age began. It's the exact same heroes vs villains with moral dilemmas that have always been told in stories, and were the subjects of all that western media... But the sci if fiction opened up a new forward thinking adaption of all the western motifs that fit better with the forward looking boomer generation that came of age during the Mercury and Apolloe space era. And younger generations have grown up with superheroes as the predominant fiction genre ever since. Coupled with new and exciting technologies that make space travel, and superpowers etc feel all too attainable. So unless you can think of some other newer way to tell these stories that will appeal to future generations, we may be stuck with superheroes and space travel stories for a long time. Because they speak of the future which has greater appeal than the past. Of course we may be entering an era where the majority feels we need to make westerns great again too!

The 20 year future has been a popular prediction. Hard to argue with it. It's always far enough out there to contain radical shifts in lifestyles, etc. But from my perspective, having seen a few 20 year cycles, it tends to go by a lot faster than we think. And there's less radical change than we expect. Of course, the last 20 years has seen extraordinary changes thru technology that has changed how we all live work play, and waste our time. And these changes don't portend well for print industries and collecting hobbies. So who knows?

Yes I agree but I am saying 20 to 25 years from now....not tomorrow. Who says in 20-25 years they will be as revelant or that the new generation will want to drop that type of cash for a comic over a painting. I agree with Gator and feel there will eventually be a market correction and may be a glut of comics being dumped on the market as people are trying to cash out. Count my copy out from that "glut". It's staying in the family as a permanent heirloom piece in perpetuity. -J. To me that is the coolest thing hope mine stays in the family as well. If we where discussion say the stamp hobby then yes that is more dead than dead. It would take a divine intervention to bring back that hobby to life. The stamp hobby analogy might be more spot on than you meant it... There are still many old and important stamps that have value, while all the mass produced issues of the 20th century have faded alomg with the old guys who collected them. Same future for comics. The old and newer keys will retain and increase in value while all the runs, and common or unimportant issues are too plentiful for the demand. The keys will remain good investments bevause Disney will never let the characters become stale and fall out of the public eye. Generation after generation. So both hobbies will wither with the populations that spawned the hobbies... But the best items will keep their values anyway as cultural a touchstone collectibles. I'm not saying however that the 9.2 AF15 will ever be worth 3-4M ... But there's no reason to be worrying that it will crater in value. It's still in the top dozen copies, isn't it?

If Erik Sack is selling would that make him Sad?

get a room.

I was leaning Novick too, for the eyebrows 'as well as the rest of the inks. But not definitively. I don't see much Drucker there. He was far more stylized and had signature pen lines I don't see on this cover.

I'm thinking it was more of a handling issue, meaning the damage was done AFTER printing folding and stapling. Dave and Harry used some local printer who said he could do a comic book, but had a learning curve to overcome. If you casually handled (moved, baled, tossed, erc) stacks of !00 copies into and out of piles and trucks and boxes, especially ones with solid black covers like this one, I think you'd end with covers that look like what printer delivered to Sim and Kramer. It's hard to believe they were damaged on the presses, which is what I think is meant by production defects. And, generally, in rare occasions where CGC might decide to grade on a curve for a particular issue -- is this really a thing? ---- don't ALL copies have to have been damaged? The existence of Daves perfect file copies prove that some escaped unharmed.

jeez, is this book in a mylar already?

can't you still just tap slab to make the book move left or right? (in the new slabs?)

Magnificent Seven original was never a great film. But like many big films of that time, it had its great moments mixed into all the usual tepid scenes. Seven Samurai is a cult classic that has become a cinema masterpiece given the arc of Kurosawa\s career in world cinema critical thinking. But like most Japanese films they are not for everybody. Too much 'work' to experience them, given the language Their very different and very Japanese cinematic language. Meaning slow and methodical.. I love it, but but no longer rush to watch it... I think I'll give this new one a try on demand. I wary though because 3:10 to Yuma was just too overstocked with stuff that the original just did not need. I'm afraid the new 7 also has an overloaded "kitchen sink style" -script and running time. Put me down also for Unforgiven as best western since the western era.

Reading it again, I was saying that collecting comics has wider and wider acceptance nowadays, meaning that when you tell people you have a Comics collection, they r interested nod don't roll their eys no run way from the geek like they used to. Not that many people who like comics movies have actually begun collecting them, but more and more think its cool then ever before.

Because numbers show that new comics sales are diminishing, meaning fewer new readers, leading ultimately to fewer back issue collectors. It's the same discussion we have here all the time. We might be in statis however, meaning that while we arent getting young new readers like most of us started out... But gaining older converts buying trophy collectibles. Hulk 181 etc. beginning collections in their 20s and 30s. So things might not be so dire for quite some time to come.

I've also caught BvS on cable lately. It holds up better second times through. But still, doesn't have a great flow. The pieces come together, but they were presented in such. Scattered we that you hadn't had the fun of assembling them in your mind. You are watching no guessing no then -- Martha! Lois wasn't in the room yet, how did she know they were talking about Martha? She arrives and tells batman she's his moms name too. And Doomsday really only served to deliver us the awesome WW fight scenes!

I finally watched it too. Lots of fun stuff, but the plot was so stupid. The girl villain has supernatural powers and gets taken out by a claymore? Really. After an endless and pointers raid on an office building climax? Nice setup for DC universe, and had a decent GOTG vibe... But so so overall. And amen to the Margot Robbie butt shot drinking game. Aft a awhile I was embarrassed to have to keep looking at her butt! Like fish in a barrel!

It's the 100K question isn't it? One one hand it sure feels real, the books we love really are desired and scarcish collectibles with wider and wider public acceptance. But we all know too well that the industry, if not the hobby, gets narrower and narrower each year -- even given the success of the movies.

I agree, but it is what it is in the market. If 75k now buys you a 2.0 which many people wouldn't deign to place in their collections, I think the buyers are just being relistic and want to own a complete and unrestored copy that presents like a comic book, in a slab. Meaning a solid actual copy of an historic key book. And while many 2.0s are beaters, you still own a Batman 1 or whatever in your collection. ...and it's not people's fault if they weren't around 20 years ago to buy them at the long forgotten nosebleed prices of the time. Has the hobby really grown to a point where new buyers have joined us willing and able to pay 75k for the 10k books of yesterday? Or have the existing pool of collectors just gotten older and richer, or are trading in old profits for new trophy items with the dough? Clearly our Hobbies exposure and dominance of popular media over the past 2 decades has swelled the excitement "out there"... But the values and sales prices are pretty staggering to think about ... I reread what my typing came out no make some edits to preserve the English language.

Yeah. 123 has been tepid for a long time, whereas 139 has serious heat of late. To me 123 is a much bigger key, but doesn't feel the love in the wallet as much as it should.

This is perhaps the toughest first appearance debate we have ever had. People are just going to have to buy all three... And wait for wallets to decide the winner down the road. I'm leaning toward Showcase 30 because it fits the SA DC pattern of the time that led to standalone titles, since 260 feels incremental, and BB28 has enough going for it as a key, and it featured same old same old Aquaman. But, you can't deny 260s actual changes to the origin, which has always been a key determinator, like WW 98 has enjoyed of late.