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By these criterion Curt Swan and Jack Kirby no question But not Will Eisner. As far as I know he never won that industry award. What's it called again? Nah, he didn't win *that* award. He had already won so many, including multiple NCS Comic Book awards in the 60's (and 80's), the coveted Reuben Award, and the ACBA Hall of Fame award in '71. I'm certain there are several other awards Eisner has won, but I'll leave that to others. Thanks for filling the gaps of my memory with this information (thumbs u

I thought the art was just average on this series.

By these criterion Curt Swan and Jack Kirby no question But not Will Eisner. As far as I know he never won that industry award. What's it called again? Nah, he didn't win *that* award. He had already won so many, including multiple NCS Comic Book awards in the 60's (and 80's), the coveted Reuben Award, and the ACBA Hall of Fame award in '71. I'm certain there are several other awards Eisner has won, but I'll leave that to others.

My 10 favs, in no particular order (yours may vary so I encourage you to make your own list) 1. Al Williamson (so under-rated and deserving of far more credit than shown on this list) 2. Jose Salinas (his Cisco Kid is amongst the finest of daily strip art) 3. John Romita Sr (the man can do no wrong) 4. Steve Ditko (the man on the street. Polar opposite of Kirby. Perhaps that's why I like Ditko's art so much) 5. Steranko (redefined what could be done in the medium with regard to layout, double-double page splashes, colours, design and pop art) 6. Will Eisner (layout/pacing, splash page design, artistry. Everyone in the industry has 'borrowed' from him, whether they realize it or not) 7. Dave Stevens (often imitated, never duplicated. There will never be another Dave Stevens) 8. Matt Baker (this man could draw for comics, for advertising companies, and as an illustration artist. He could do it all.) 9. Alex Schomburg (His Timely covers are beyond compare...always so much going on, especially with his wartime covers) 10. L.B. Cole (He could (and did) draw anything and everything so well, both for comics and mainstream magazines. Also, his use of colours had great eye-appeal and truly made his work stand out from his contemporaries)

Is it too late to say this thread has jumped the shark?

It is certainly not a major key. Hulk 181 obviously is a major key. However, Cerebus might still be very expensive because the print run was so limited. It is demand and supply. But yes... Cerebus is no major key because 99% of collectors don't want it - and out of them 90% probably didn't even know it existed.. Major key, minor key, nobody wants it, blah blah blah. I call BS. I've owned a dozen Cerebus 1's throughout the 80's and 90's and each and every copy sold immediately for a premium above guide. Recently, I picked up a few mid-grade copies and sold them to dealers at 25% premium above guide. While 2,000 copies were printed, some were damaged straight off the presses (# of damaged copies is unknown) and several were damaged due to the book's size (somewhere between a comic & a mag). There is a segment of comics readers and collectors that pursue non-superhero material, and having a Cerebus #1 in their collection is a major score. Likewise, TMNT #1, Love & Rockets #1, Albedo, UG's, etc. The value of Cerebus #1 has been on a steady upward trend starting just before #300 was released, and has maintained its momentum. Hulk 181 has slowed.

Agreed (thumbs u

There's another Preacher page on Heritage, lot 92106, with Cass and Frankie from issue #24 and it seems really cheap in comparison to the page in your link. I think its a nice page, but perhaps its because Jessie's not on the page? Still, that's a fairly large price swing already.

Both are really nice pages, and I love the humour that Frankie the Eunuch provides (thumbs u

I'm not sure I understand what's going on with the price of this piece. Its an attractive page with Jesse and Herr Starr, from a relatively early issue and has good content. Given all the discussion on this thread, you'd have thought this would go for $2.5K, instead of just $1K. Anyone else feel the same? I guess I am just out of touch. 3 others (JJ, JJJ, and ArtistLost) all think it was a bargain at the $999 price. I honestly don't know if it was a bargain or priced right, but I am merely stating that given all of the discussion in this thread, this page checked a lot of boxes people said they were looking for in a Preacher page so I thought it would have went for more.

I'm not sure I understand what's going on with the price of this piece. Its an attractive page with Jesse and Herr Starr, from a relatively early issue and has good content. Given all the discussion on this thread, you'd have thought this would go for $2.5K, instead of just $1K. Anyone else feel the same?

Neat cover! Neal did something similar in Flash 203, mixing photo with OA. I believe the Flash issue is from Feb 1971 and precedes the Action 419 by a year?

I don't give a damn about box office receipts. I care about being entertained. Saw the movie yesterday and I enjoyed it immensly and I can honestly say its more entertaining than the vast majority of movies being shoved in our faces by the major studios.

We'll have to call Danny DeVito's agent to confirm his availability

I don't really have a question about what makes an 'A' level Preacher page. I suppose that would depend on favourite characters, key moments in the storyline, 1st appearances, etc. However, is there any truth to my hearing that pages from earlier issues are more desirable and command higher prices in general? If so, what is the reason for it?

This is revisionist history. As much if not more so than any character in the Marvel Universe, Dr. Strange made comic books cool for college age kids in the sixties. Pink Floyd wasn't putting any other Marvel or DC hero onto their album covers, or working any other hero into their lyrics. The Dr. Strange blacklight posters were best sellers. Interest in mysticism peaked in the sixties, and restaurants like 'The Astral Plane' here in Philly as well as shops focused on the mystic arts became hugely popular. He may not have been a big mover and shaker in the Marvel Universe in the past 30 years, and the times have most certainly changed, but from the dawn of the Marvel silver age to the height of the bronze, Dr. Strange was among the coolest and most influential, popular heroes. Not revisionist at all. First and foremost, it was Spidey than made comic books cool for college age kids in the sixties, not Dr. Strange. Strange appealed to the fringes of comic collectors and this is clearly reflected by his inability to hold his own title and/or be part of a team in the Sixties, have his own cartoon, etc. While his blacklight poster was cool, that doesn't make his 1st appearance in ST110 any more important/impactful.

Wow, you consider all of these to be more important/impactful to the Silver Age than ASM #1??? Yeah, that's a bold statement. I can't see Avengers 1 as having more of an impact as Spidey 1. Which brought us the Bugle, JJJ, The Chameleon and Spidey in his own title. All the others there can be an argument for I guess. But that's just my opinion. I'd have to put ASM1 somewhere between 4 & 7. Spider-man is just a much bigger character than any of the others that the first issue in his own title has to be up there. Someone else mentioned that a good analogy is in the GA where Superman 1 and Batman 1 are considered the 3rd and 4th most valuable books behind only Action 1 and Tec 27. Big "first" appearances lag like Marvel 1, Cap 1, and All-American 16. While the gap between Spidey and the Hulk may not be as wide as say Batman and the Green Lantern, there is no question that Spidey is king. Yeah, that was me. Still having a hard time wrapping my head around TTA 27, ST110, SGT Fury 1 and some of the others folks listed as the top 10 most important/impactful Silver Age Marvels. This was my list, and now that I think about it, Isn't Submariner the 1st Marvel mutant? If so, that would lend further credence to the importance of FF #4 1. AF 15 (hey, 1st Spidey. 'nuff said) 2. ASM 1 (Continuation of the most popular comics character of the last 50 years, 1st appearance of: The Daily Bugle; J Jonah Jameson; John Jameson (later Man-Wolf); 1st appearance of the Chameleon; tied with FF 12 as 1st Silver Age Marvel x-over) 3. FF #1 (1st key silver age Marvel book) 4. X-Men #1 (The Mutant Age begins here, and so does Magneto. Although it would take a while for mutuants to pick up steam, this is where it all started) 5. ToS 39 (The metal age hero and key founding member of the Avengers joins the Marvel universe) 6. Hulk #1 (Monster as the lead title character. Clearly, the Atom Age monster features are bridging the gap towards the Superhero resurgance) 7. JIM 83 (Hark, the G-ds have entered the Silver Age fray. Also, no Thor = no Loki, and No Loki = no Avengers?) 8. FF#5 (1st Dr. Doom is cannot be overemphasized. He is the baddie that has plagued all Marvel heroes and he's also the 1st Marvel villain to command his own series) 9. FF#4 (1st Subby is the bridge that binds GA Marvel to SA Marvel. Mayeb no Captain America in Avengers #4 if it weren't for this book. What's that, Timmy? You didn't know Marvel Comics existed before FF#1?) 10. Avengers #1 (Great showcase for Marvel's heroes, with ever-changing lineup and a good excuse to defrost Captain America and re-introduce him to the Marvel Universe) Others: Strange Tales 110 is a dull thud. 4th tier character unable to hold his own title with any great publication frequency. Ditko art was brilliant, and so was Steranko, but let's be honest here and agree the character had no impact. TTA 27. Aside from creating Ultron, Hank Pym's impact to the Marvel Universe has been what, exactly? Definitely shouldn't be in the Top 10 above the other books in my list.

Wow, you consider all of these to be more important/impactful to the Silver Age than ASM #1???

I think in the context of this thread being in the Silver Age section, GG doesn't have a leg to stand on. Much of the GG's accomplishments you've cited happened after the Silver Age, and although I can't stand the 'Fantastic Four', I have to give credit where its due and say that Dr. Doom is the most important & most impactful Silver Age villain in the Marvel Universe.

Yeah, I agree with that. As a matter of fact, did Goblin EVER cross-over in the silver age? I can't recall any other titles he appeared in. Other than Spectacular Spidey Magazine #2, I don't recall Gobby being in another Silver Age title outside of ASM

Hmmm...I think Dillon's run on Punisher has interest to QA collectors.

+1 It's why I would never consider going after a Death of Capt. Marvel page. Scott How would you feel if these pages were touched up by a pro inker? Would it be more preferable to leave it as it is or have a pro inker go over the marker? Is it necessary to have the original inker do the work? Shame too, about those gorgeous Mike Golden 'Nam pages! At some point, it's not just a question of aesthetics but also one of conservation. I don't like faded marker, either ( ), but for a page I really wanted, I might be more willing to bite the bullet. If the market allows for re-inking, then that would make the decision easier.

The ASM 322 splash just sold at CLink for $16,888. This is why I have a problem with McSpidey being $20-$30K - this is a good-looking, p. 1 splash from the main Spidey title featuring a pretty darn good, large, front-facing, full-body Spidey action shot with one of the more memorable supporting cast (Silver Sable) from the run, with lots of good detail to boot. This is a solid A splash as far as I'm concerned, and it finished closer to $15K than $20K. While I'm sure there are McSpidey interiors that would fetch $20-$30K, I think they might more properly be classified as A+ pages. I gotta disagree with you, Gene. I thought the inks looked faded, especially on Spidey, and I avoided bidding on this one because of that. I'm sure there are others who felt the same. How much of a discount do you think that (may have) resulted in? Still looks well bought to me, and, given the McSpidey auction results over the past year, this is far from the only data point that suggests that McSpidey interiors are not where they were as recently as 2012. I really can't say for certain what sort of discount the inks had, but I can only speak for myself when I say that I didn't even bother to bid due to decreased eye appeal for me.

The ASM 322 splash just sold at CLink for $16,888. This is why I have a problem with McSpidey being $20-$30K - this is a good-looking, p. 1 splash from the main Spidey title featuring a pretty darn good, large, front-facing, full-body Spidey action shot with one of the more memorable supporting cast (Silver Sable) from the run, with lots of good detail to boot. This is a solid A splash as far as I'm concerned, and it finished closer to $15K than $20K. While I'm sure there are McSpidey interiors that would fetch $20-$30K, I think they might more properly be classified as A+ pages. I gotta disagree with you, Gene. I thought the inks looked faded, especially on Spidey, and I avoided bidding on this one because of that. I'm sure there are others who felt the same.

The OP posed this question as the Top 10 in terms of Importance/Impact. So, based on that (and not my personal preferences, value, movie hype, etc.) here's my list: 1. AF 15 (hey, 1st Spidey. 'nuff said) 2. ASM 1 (Continuation of the most popular comics character of the last 50 years, 1st appearance of: The Daily Bugle; J Jonah Jameson; John Jameson (later Man-Wolf); 1st appearance of the Chameleon; tied with FF 12 as 1st Silver Age Marvel x-over) 3. FF #1 (1st key silver age Marvel book) 4. X-Men #1 (The Mutant Age begins here, and so does Magneto. Although it would take a while for mutuants to pick up steam, this is where it all started) 5. ToS 39 (The metal age hero and key founding member of the Avengers joins the Marvel universe) 6. Hulk #1 (Monster as the lead title character. Clearly, the Atom Age monster features are bridging the gap towards the Superhero resurgance) 7. JIM 83 (Hark, the G-ds have entered the Silver Age fray. Also, no Thor = no Loki, and No Loki = no Avengers?) 8. FF#5 (1st Dr. Doom is cannot be overemphasized. He is the baddie that has plagued all Marvel heroes and he's also the 1st Marvel villain to command his own series) 9. FF#4 (1st Subby is the bridge that binds GA Marvel to SA Marvel. Mayeb no Captain America in Avengers #4 if it weren't for this book. What's that, Timmy? You didn't know Marvel Comics existed before FF#1?) 10. Avengers #1 (Great showcase for Marvel's heroes, with ever-changing lineup and a good excuse to defrost Captain America and re-introduce him to the Marvel Universe) Others: Strange Tales 110 is a dull thud. 4th tier character unable to hold his own title with any great publication frequency. Ditko art was brilliant, and so was Steranko, but let's be honest here and agree the character had no impact. TTA 27. Aside from creating Ultron, Hank Pym's impact to the Marvel Universe has been what, exactly? Definitely shouldn't be in the Top 10 above the other books in my list. DD1. bwa ha haa! Oh wait, some of you were serious?