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A last page cameo vs the characters Armor being front and center on the cover of IIM #9 ( even heralds the new hero without a cool name found inside on the cover). First FULL Appearance AND the first time she dons her Armor is all inside IIM #9 . Like you stated the print runs are virtually the same so all of that really cool stuff going outside and inside of IIM#9 vs a one panel hello (actually a door slam ) in IIM #7 ?

 

Right. But the market largely doesn't care about any of that. People always want to argue about cameos vs full appearances on here, but in terms of books produced within the past twenty years, the market doesn't particularly care about the difference. First appearances, even cameos, trump later issues unless a later issue is significantly harder to obtain due to the print run AND the first appearance issue is questionable - a brief appearance, or the character is in shadows or otherwise obscured, or heaven help us, an infant

 

Look at Jessica Cruz. Green Lantern 20. Her entire appearance amounts of a single panel of her hand. But its a first appearance. And it has a low print variant. So that is what the market cares about. Her first full appearance is in Justice League 31. Its also her first cover, is a partial origin issue, and has her transformation into her superhero state. The book even has a "low print" incentive variant and combo pack. Market doesn't care though, because the content doesn't matter.

 

Look at Black Flash. Presumably people bought Flash 138 at marked up prices because they were intrigued by the character's appearance on the Flash tv show. They bought it because of it promising to be the first appearance of the character. And technically it is. But if you actually care about the character and the content on the interior pages, you would probably be a bit disappointed to find out that the appearance of Black Flash in that book amounts to nothing more than a last page panel where you see a partial depiction of the character in a photograph. The character's arc doesn't even really start until 139. And even then the character is only shown in "cameo" in 139 and 140. Issue 141, meanwhile is the first cover and first full appearance, plus it features the race between Flash and Black Flash and the death of the Black Flash. That book has everything going for it in terms of content and being the first meaningful appearance of the Black Flash character. But while it saw an uptick in prices recently it didn't approach the prices of 138, because content doesn't matter.

 

Look at Ajax. First appearance in Deadpool 14. Market didn't care that it was a super brief appearance. It didn't matter that issue 17 or the 98 annual had much more going for them in terms of content and relevance in regards to Ajax. It didn't even matter that the annual was by far the most expensive book of the three before Ajax became "desirable". But when the market deemed Ajax relevant issue 14 started selling for more than the annual, because content doesn't matter.

 

Who cares if Riri appears on the cover of 9? Or if she appears in costume in 9. Or has a full appearance in 9. Or gets named in issue 10. Because neither of those books are considerably harder to obtain than the actual first appearance. The market will default to the first appearance in issue 7 as being the book to have. See Jessica Cruz. See Black Flash. See Damian Wayne. See Silk. See just about any other first appearance of a character that has debuted between the late 90s and now. The low print book matters, the content does not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I "only" care what the CGC label says....

THAT'S endgame.

 

Argue all you want.

 

Not saying it's true...

IF it is...

 

#9 wins.

 

Bet me.

Anything.....

Put your $ where your anonymous internet moniker mouf is....

 

Actually Darkstar made a valid argument with supportive facts and no

sarcasm either.

 

And your response is to insult him.

Detecting sarcasm, where there is none...

Is the sign of a weak & perverted mind.

Chumpelstiltskin...

Anyone here interested in Riri?

 

Marvel just released a new picture for their upcoming "reboot" and has Riri front and center.

 

People have been buying Invincible iron man 7, a small cameo at best. Not bad if you are into cameos, BUT if you want a real full app maybe look into invincible iron man 9, also check out that age of apocalypse variant for IM9....gold?

 

 

Seems like this variant has all the ingredients to be a success.

 

 

Still can be found at your a LCS. Small risk with big potential for the long term.

 

IIM 7 is a first appearance. The market doesn't care about the extent of the appearance with modern books. Content doesn't matter anymore. In the past a reader might value a later appearance of a character over a one panel teaser in a previous issue but that doesn't apply these days. A person with a genuine interest in the Riri Williams character might personally value issue 9 or 10 more than issue 7 because those issues flesh out the character a bit, but that person is in the buying minority. Those issues have no incentive variants. They have no reprints with lower print numbers.

 

Thats because the modern flipper doesnt read comic books today. I agree with the IM7/IM9. To me issue 9 AoA variant has the biggest potential, the AoA was a 1:1 variant not a 1 :10, 1:25 etc...

 

 

It dont hurt to get issues 7 to 10 for Riri fans. Issue 9 will organically grow where as issue 7 only is in demand because is a pump and dump book.

 

Way too many new people learning the ropes in this hobby trying to find that next kamala/x23 book, that new hot #1 series. We got people buying and praising Lois N Clark 1 as being new superboys 1st app, then turn around the next week and say superboy 19 is the "real" 1st app, when this are clearly 2 diff people like someone once said "that speaks volumes" as to where people are today when it comes to comics.

At the end of the day people can spend their cash however they please, and the new boys in the hobby should do some research and learn it that way, but is good for them to get a few dents along the way and follow that weekly flavor of the week, just dont fall asleep with those books on your hands.

 

Anyways, enough of that.

 

Pre heat pis for

 

IIM 7/9 AoA

 

 

 

I disgree since it is a 1:1 ratio. The regular issue has her on the cover drawn by the creator. The issue to have is the regular. Plus, if you look at ebay sales Before the last two days, people were buying the regular issue not the variant.

 

 

Midtown sold out of those this morning as well. (The #9 regular cover.) There's still a couple of other books around, mostly on eBay. I gotta agree with Catch21, though. The regular issue is a Riri fan's jackpot: full body Riri in new armor, with "INTRODUCING..." caption, AND if you read comics (as any real speccer should), Riri's in the book in armor as well.

 

Meanwhile, the AoA variant doesn't even have her on it. Isn't that Rhodey? (Riri has an Optimus Prime-style "antenna".)

 

I emailed CGC this morning and I got this reply:

 

"After reviewing the issues in question, Invincible Iron Man #7 will be labeled as Riri's first appearance in cameo on last page, and #9 will be labeled as her first full appearance."

 

So it looks like both books will have a bit of value, though obviously #7 is the current hotness right now.

 

"After reviewing the issues in question, Invincible Iron Man #7 will be labeled as Riri's first appearance in cameo on last page, and #9 will be labeled as her first full appearance."

 

Can anyone confirm this?

 

If it's true...

#7 = Hulk 180

#9 = hulk 181

 

Not even a contest here...

trade your 7's for 9's

 

now...

 

 

Not even a contest, right.

 

Comparing a book released this year to Hulk 180/181. Really?

 

CGC states All New Marvel Point One is the first full appearance of Kamala as Ms Marvel. Does that book sell for more than CM 14 or CM 17 2nd print? Nope.

 

CGC states Batman 656 is the first full appearance of Damian Wayne. Does that book sell for more than Batman 655? Nope.

 

Would you like me to continue?

Sigh....

"IF'

CGC lists # 9 as 1st full appearance on label & #7 as cameo....

"IF" it's true....

I say by 12-01-16

#9 in 9.8 > than #7 in 9.8 ( ebay completed median )

You say by 12-01-16

#7 in 9.8 > than #9 in 9.8

DM any amount to wager & charity of your choice.

Fair?

A last page cameo vs the characters Armor being front and center on the cover of IIM #9 ( even heralds the new hero without a cool name found inside on the cover). First FULL Appearance AND the first time she dons her Armor is all inside IIM #9 . Like you stated the print runs are virtually the same so all of that really cool stuff going outside and inside of IIM#9 vs a one panel hello (actually a door slam ) in IIM #7 ?

 

Right. But the market largely doesn't care about any of that. People always want to argue about cameos vs full appearances on here, but in terms of books produced within the past twenty years, the market doesn't particularly care about the difference. First appearances, even cameos, trump later issues unless a later issue is significantly harder to obtain due to the print run AND the first appearance issue is questionable - a brief appearance, or the character is in shadows or otherwise obscured, or heaven help us, an infant

 

Look at Jessica Cruz. Green Lantern 20. Her entire appearance amounts of a single panel of her hand. But its a first appearance. And it has a low print variant. So that is what the market cares about. Her first full appearance is in Justice League 31. Its also her first cover, is a partial origin issue, and has her transformation into her superhero state. The book even has a "low print" incentive variant and combo pack. Market doesn't care though, because the content doesn't matter.

 

Look at Black Flash. Presumably people bought Flash 138 at marked up prices because they were intrigued by the character's appearance on the Flash tv show. They bought it because of it promising to be the first appearance of the character. And technically it is. But if you actually care about the character and the content on the interior pages, you would probably be a bit disappointed to find out that the appearance of Black Flash in that book amounts to nothing more than a last page panel where you see a partial depiction of the character in a photograph. The character's arc doesn't even really start until 139. And even then the character is only shown in "cameo" in 139 and 140. Issue 141, meanwhile is the first cover and first full appearance, plus it features the race between Flash and Black Flash and the death of the Black Flash. That book has everything going for it in terms of content and being the first meaningful appearance of the Black Flash character. But while it saw an uptick in prices recently it didn't approach the prices of 138, because content doesn't matter.

 

Look at Ajax. First appearance in Deadpool 14. Market didn't care that it was a super brief appearance. It didn't matter that issue 17 or the 98 annual had much more going for them in terms of content and relevance in regards to Ajax. It didn't even matter that the annual was by far the most expensive book of the three before Ajax became "desirable". But when the market deemed Ajax relevant issue 14 started selling for more than the annual, because content doesn't matter.

 

Who cares if Riri appears on the cover of 9? Or if she appears in costume in 9. Or has a full appearance in 9. Or gets named in issue 10. Because neither of those books are considerably harder to obtain than the actual first appearance. The market will default to the first appearance in issue 7 as being the book to have. See Jessica Cruz. See Black Flash. See Damian Wayne. See Silk. See just about any other first appearance of a character that has debuted between the late 90s and now. The low print book matters, the content does not.

 

 

 

 

 

I "only" care what the CGC label says....

THAT'S endgame.

Argue all you want.

Not saying it's true...

IF it is...

#9 wins.

Bet me.

Anything.....

Put your $ where your anonymous internet moniker mouf is....

Anyone here interested in Riri?

 

Marvel just released a new picture for their upcoming "reboot" and has Riri front and center.

 

People have been buying Invincible iron man 7, a small cameo at best. Not bad if you are into cameos, BUT if you want a real full app maybe look into invincible iron man 9, also check out that age of apocalypse variant for IM9....gold?

 

 

Seems like this variant has all the ingredients to be a success.

 

 

Still can be found at your a LCS. Small risk with big potential for the long term.

 

IIM 7 is a first appearance. The market doesn't care about the extent of the appearance with modern books. Content doesn't matter anymore. In the past a reader might value a later appearance of a character over a one panel teaser in a previous issue but that doesn't apply these days. A person with a genuine interest in the Riri Williams character might personally value issue 9 or 10 more than issue 7 because those issues flesh out the character a bit, but that person is in the buying minority. Those issues have no incentive variants. They have no reprints with lower print numbers.

 

Thats because the modern flipper doesnt read comic books today. I agree with the IM7/IM9. To me issue 9 AoA variant has the biggest potential, the AoA was a 1:1 variant not a 1 :10, 1:25 etc...

 

 

It dont hurt to get issues 7 to 10 for Riri fans. Issue 9 will organically grow where as issue 7 only is in demand because is a pump and dump book.

 

Way too many new people learning the ropes in this hobby trying to find that next kamala/x23 book, that new hot #1 series. We got people buying and praising Lois N Clark 1 as being new superboys 1st app, then turn around the next week and say superboy 19 is the "real" 1st app, when this are clearly 2 diff people like someone once said "that speaks volumes" as to where people are today when it comes to comics.

At the end of the day people can spend their cash however they please, and the new boys in the hobby should do some research and learn it that way, but is good for them to get a few dents along the way and follow that weekly flavor of the week, just dont fall asleep with those books on your hands.

 

Anyways, enough of that.

 

Pre heat pis for

 

IIM 7/9 AoA

 

 

 

I disgree since it is a 1:1 ratio. The regular issue has her on the cover drawn by the creator. The issue to have is the regular. Plus, if you look at ebay sales Before the last two days, people were buying the regular issue not the variant.

 

 

Midtown sold out of those this morning as well. (The #9 regular cover.) There's still a couple of other books around, mostly on eBay. I gotta agree with Catch21, though. The regular issue is a Riri fan's jackpot: full body Riri in new armor, with "INTRODUCING..." caption, AND if you read comics (as any real speccer should), Riri's in the book in armor as well.

 

Meanwhile, the AoA variant doesn't even have her on it. Isn't that Rhodey? (Riri has an Optimus Prime-style "antenna".)

 

I emailed CGC this morning and I got this reply:

 

"After reviewing the issues in question, Invincible Iron Man #7 will be labeled as Riri's first appearance in cameo on last page, and #9 will be labeled as her first full appearance."

 

So it looks like both books will have a bit of value, though obviously #7 is the current hotness right now.

"After reviewing the issues in question, Invincible Iron Man #7 will be labeled as Riri's first appearance in cameo on last page, and #9 will be labeled as her first full appearance."

Can anyone confirm this?

If it's true...

#7 = Hulk 180

#9 = hulk 181

Not even a contest here...

trade your 7's for 9's

now...

Well, that was fast regarding UI #11! I hit three stores with one more to come in a bit - got 4 IH11 (3 A, 1 B), 7 Inv. Iron Man 7, and 2 Vision 5s. I guess a good haul, now off to ebay!

 

my stores were exceptionally greedy today..nothing good available for cover price.

What were they supposed to provide you with exactly?

Who had these?

You cannot put what you do not have on the shelves...

28,000 print run divided by 2,000 shops is fourteen copies per shop on average.

Uncanny Inhumans has been a poor seller. Dreadful...

Shelf copies sit & rot.

NOBODY wanted this book before last week.

NOBODY pre-ordered or cared until spec sites started chirping.

I ordered 14.

I have twelve subs.

Missed it entirely....

Isn't that Mania ?

 

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Mania_(Klyntar)_(Earth-616)

Yep.

1st appearance in Venom #38 is a fabulous buy

Anyone who's still waiting on their B&N to get JL #51 errors...Well...They just got in 51 but it's the correct cover.

 

Or is it 52?

Did you check?

Superboy #19 features a completely different version of the character everyone is in love with, but mentions the current version? I have a pot headache.

Not a clean 1st, but there is no more muddled 1st than this new Superboy.

Superboy #19 1st mention...

Convergence #2 1st baby

Lois & Clark #1 ...?

Lois & Clark #8 ??

Superman #1 origin?

Yay, the character is allready a collector trainwreck!

( I adore this character too, but geeze...)

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Jonathan_Lane_Kent_(Prime_Earth)

The creator mentions how it all works here:

http://www.newsarama.com/17591-lobdell-clarifies-superboy-s-origin-explains-new-jon-kent.html

Still an odd/minor 1st appearance though, you'll probably be able to 'comic book scalp" somebody at some point with it...

Especially when this character becomes a key player in current continuity.

He'll be a major villain.

Not saying the direct isn't a low printed error, it likely is lower than the retail

/newsstand whatever it is called, and it isn't worth what some people want it to be worth. Or maybe it is, we hope some non shilled auctions determine fair market on this, not some suspect bin's or 2nd accounts bidding to set market.

 

Everyone tread lightly, and collect what you like and feel comfortable spending.

Sold all 5 of mine within a day, 4 were BIN (1 solo, 3 in a lot), other was a straight auction. 3 different winners and all paid immediately. So no shills there at least.

You'd hope that DC or Diamond would make a statement and say what happened, who was responsible / fired / arrested and how many copies "escaped" but that's asking too much isn't it?

Have Atomic ask their rep.

I did.

The only statement from DC will be both JLA #51 /2 will show up on the fully returnable list.

THAT'S the only way they say they effed up.

Anyway...

I could give a mess about JLA #51 error anymore....

I'll slap the rest in my warehouse.

They're FREE now.

Have fun fighting with each other.

IDK what wash actually going on, but I had to (try and) be funny for a moment.

 

Pretty stupid meme....

You're not naturally funny.

Sorry.

Well, I bought 10 , have no idea how many copies he sold within the last so many days, so proof of the 50 he had ? not possible anymore. I have read enough on these boards the last so many years to know that you understand the market having been a shop owner for "decades". You offer up insight and opinions all the time, so what I can not understand is why when someone else offers up a differing opinion you instantly become so defensive and most times very Offensive! Where is your transcript from this conversation ? where is your picture of 50+ copies ? where is your.... ? We are on the same side of this spec and still you are being overly combative ...

why is "decades" in quotes?

I opened in 1991.

Public record.

I know of a store that had copies on the shelf, smaller store but here in the Orlando area. Direct market too.

Sorry no pics, but my word is gold weather you want to believe it or not.

 

And the other store, being a chain is likely Coliseum of Comics which I also know they got copies of this from the local communities and such.

guess you guys are right then.

big print run on DM

hardly worth your valuable time.

FYI

 

Just went through the 45 current listed auctions as of 10:05 est . for the JLA #51 misprint/error Luthor copies. B&A copies available 71 Direct Sales 11

 

Guess my "less than 220' everyone was crapping on is still holding up....

 

Well... You HAD 58 , I know of a store owner in Florida that HAD 50 total (for his 3 locations).Which ,btw, debunks the theory they were only shipped from one Diamond warehouse. You add the current and completed auctions with what is floating around , I would say "less than 220" won't hold. BUT it does appear these will be extremely scarce . I HOPE you are right Larry as I have 10 copies ! Maybe DC will release a statement on the matter in the future

debunks the theory they were only shipped from one Diamond warehouse

not a theory.

It's what I was told. I didn't theorize anything

might not be the case, but I actually trust & rely on my sources.

pics from Florida please.

Proof?

FYI

 

Just went through the 45 current listed auctions as of 10:05 est . for the JLA #51 misprint/error Luthor copies. B&A copies available 71 Direct Sales 11

Guess my "less than 220' everyone was crapping on is still holding up....

I was thing about the Justice League #51 cover error. I have a Wytches book somewhere around here that was misnumbered. It was also recall IIRC. That is the only other instance I can remember of a mainstream book with similar circumstances. I haven't seen many for sale since it came out but I did find this...

 

 

Wytches error

 

A few more of these Wytches EH! errors

Good one.

It's Indy though.

JLA spews every month.

I wonder if the B&N #52 this week will all just have 51's cover?

( Then they're not errors, just newsstand variants.)

It's been a wild few weeks with Before Watchmen Dr Manhattan, Scarlet and JL 51. My bills are paid early for a change

Nice.

Rolling....

As a lifelong fan of the Flash, I am really looking forward to this Wednesday ?

Fans are into it.

Definitely.

ANY Flash comic is a legit process now & get it out on the floor right now.

TV show puts asses in the seats.

Every B and N store that has comics got 5 to 10 copies.

 

What do they do with month old books? Throw them away - expect that same attitude on any copies they can't sell because of a recall.

 

If there are 600 B and N stores there are at least 6000 B and N copies.

 

Can we end this now?

 

I don't think we are really saying the B&N is the play here. Sure it is rare in comparison to the regular #51 but in most cases something is always the most in demand so the discussion is more weighted to the Direct Sales errors . Anyhoo, Superman Lois and Clark 1 or 8 or ?

I don't think we are really saying the B&N is the play here

So...

You are at a B&N

There are ten NM copies of JLA #51 error on the rack.

You pass?!?

It doesn't have to be Walking Dead #1 to be a solid play.

I personally like twenty dollar bills.

Jonathan Lane Kent is not Jonathan Samuel Kent

 

XooX

No.

He most certainly is not.

Lois & Clark #1 variant has unlimited potential.

Unlimited.

Diamond still has Convergence #2 & Lois & Clark 1's in stock if anyone wants to get invested...

Bright spot of Rebirth for me has been Superman.

Most improved.

Mind you some B and N didn't release them. They threw them out before they were placed on the newstand. Soooooo these might be it.

Honestly.

What does it compare to?

Justice League #52 ships Wednesday.

It's a KEY book, essentially Rebirth #4 ( One shot was #1, Flash #2, Titans #3 ect )

Diamond destroys & recalls misprints.

No idea what Barnes & Nobel does.

9 out of every 10 copies listed so far are for the B&N error edition. I would venture to say most are still unaware there is a difference between the 2. What we are seeing with the retail version flooding feebay is not really happening with the Direct Sales edition because they are certainly not as plentiful. Interesting spec regardless as it is pretty unique... How did it even happen is the backstory I would like to know?

How did it even happen is the backstory I would like to know?

Exactly.

I'm thinking disgruntled employee.

Anybody with electronic pre-press experience feel free to chime in.

Too many elements out of wack for this to be a natural error.

Deja vu all over again

Books pop..

books die...

What's your point?

You need to be quick & scrappy if you want to make a buck on moderns.

I lost my shirt on Turtles 59 so far this week.

Rebirth will set me up at Disney for a week...

It all evens out.

Hopefully in your favor.

Only time will tell, it looks like the book has movement as far as bids go and its still closing at almost $50. Please lets move on past this grudgematch and unfounded hatred towards a spec. Don't be so invested in a spec that it takes the fun out of it.

That's the fun of moderns.

The market unleashes new candidates to fall in love week in a few days...

It never stops.

It's a blast.

I dislike being argumentative on my second post on these forums, but I have to point out that the Justice League #51 misprint is not unprecedented.

In spring of 1988, issue #5 of Wasteland was released with both the correct cover, and the cover to issue #6. The error cover is pretty well worthless, as is the rest of the series.

I know that this does not translate to the JL error being worthless, but I have to wonder if it will stay hot for the long haul, or if it is something that will cool down significantly as more copies hit the marketplace.

 

I only asked for something similar to JLA #51/2 error....

Not being confrontational, but your twenty eight year old example of an obscure title does little except bolster the appeal of the more mainstream JLA #51 , IMHO.

 

Anyway...

The market will decide if it's a dollar or $250

 

 

 

 

From the looks of things the market is already deciding "hell no".

 

-J.

Looks like a solid $40 minimum three days after release.

That's a "hell no"

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You're adorable..