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Official Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Thread
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Turtle

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Awesome book. But werent you worried that getting it signed could have lowered the grade?

 

A few things:

1) The book was never graded before, so I didn't crack out a 9.8 and cross my fingers and hope that it'd come back the same grade. I took the absolute best quality copy I owned and rolled the dice.

 

2) In any SS signing there's a risk that the book will be damaged. Whether it's damaged in shipping, when being moved from bag to bag, or even in the creator's hands, the risk is always there. However, I window bagged all these books myself so I could aim the signature to the desired spot on the cover and I was able to put in no fewer than 2 backerboards the help reinforce the books. On top of that, I sent it a guy I'd trust with any of my books has he's is very experienced with SS stuff (Rich Henn).

 

So was I worried that the books could get lost or damaged? There's always a little nervousness surrounding signings like this. It's the risk that makes the concept of a high-grade signed book even more appealing to me as a collector and it's also a likely reason why the registry favors SS books with slightly more points. The risk is much higher.

 

 

That said, I can't say I'd be eager to crack this out for a Laird signing anytime soon. There are limits. :ohnoez:

 

Thanks for the compliments, everyone!

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Awesome book. But werent you worried that getting it signed could have lowered the grade?

 

A few things:

1) The book was never graded before, so I didn't crack out a 9.8 and cross my fingers and hope that it'd come back the same grade. I took the absolute best quality copy I owned and rolled the dice.

 

2) In any SS signing there's a risk that the book will be damaged. Whether it's damaged in shipping, when being moved from bag to bag, or even in the creator's hands, the risk is always there. However, I window bagged all these books myself so I could aim the signature to the desired spot on the cover and I was able to put in no fewer than 2 backerboards the help reinforce the books. On top of that, I sent it a guy I'd trust with any of my books has he's is very experienced with SS stuff (Rich Henn).

 

So was I worried that the books could get lost or damaged? There's always a little nervousness surrounding signings like this. It's the risk that makes the concept of a high-grade signed book even more appealing to me as a collector and it's also a likely reason why the registry favors SS books with slightly more points. The risk is much higher.

 

 

That said, I can't say I'd be eager to crack this out for a Laird signing anytime soon. There are limits. :ohnoez:

 

Thanks for the compliments, everyone!

 

This is a great book any way you look at it, so rare. That being said, it's a shame it's not in mint condition. Given the choice between a signed copy and an unsigned copy, I'd buy the unsigned copy any day of the week, assuming they were otherwise equal. I know this is a debate that's on many other threads and forums, but I try to stick to the true meaning of the word "mint", which is "new or like-new condition". I love Eastman and Laird's work, they'll sign anything if you take it to them in a convention - I once took my grandmother to a convention and had HER signed by them - it's harder to find an unsigned copy than a signed copy. ;) I understand you have a one of a kind book this is just my opinion.

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This is a great book any way you look at it, so rare. That being said, it's a shame it's not in mint condition. Given the choice between a signed copy and an unsigned copy, I'd buy the unsigned copy any day of the week, assuming they were otherwise equal. I know this is a debate that's on many other threads and forums, but I try to stick to the true meaning of the word "mint", which is "new or like-new condition". I love Eastman and Laird's work, they'll sign anything if you take it to them in a convention - I once took my grandmother to a convention and had HER signed by them - it's harder to find an unsigned copy than a signed copy. ;) I understand you have a one of a kind book this is just my opinion.

 

You're right. This debate has been had ever since the dawn of Signature Series and it's unlikely that either of us would change the other's mind on the subject, so why try?

 

Instead, I'd like to :baiting: you by challenging 2 of your statements.

 

1) If you're looking for "Mint", you're looking for a CGC 9.9 or 10 (Mint or Gem Mint, respectively). Technically speaking, a 9.8 is NM/M. Given that definition, there's only been 1 Mint TMNT book from volume 1...a #37. I'm still looking for a "Mint" TMNT book myself. :) (Admittedly, this challenge was a little facetious, but the next one is valid).

 

2) Saying it's harder to find an unsigned copy than a signed copy could potentially be true when referring to a #1 first print, but really doesn't apply to any other issue. Take a look at the census. For any issue, there are far more Universal copies than signature series copies for any given book save for maybe a few (ones that I got signed with no other graded copies on the census). And take it from a guy who regularly goes searching for TMNT books raw. There are WAY more that haven't been signed than ones that have.

 

Just know that even among TMNT fans, you're not alone. Board member Oroku Saki has gotten on my case a few times about how he strongly prefers Universal to SS labels. To each his own. As far as I'm concerned, any opinion presented in a respectful way is a valid one and I'm just happy that there are other TMNT fans out there to enjoy this stuff with me. :)

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This is a great book any way you look at it, so rare. That being said, it's a shame it's not in mint condition. Given the choice between a signed copy and an unsigned copy, I'd buy the unsigned copy any day of the week, assuming they were otherwise equal. I know this is a debate that's on many other threads and forums, but I try to stick to the true meaning of the word "mint", which is "new or like-new condition". I love Eastman and Laird's work, they'll sign anything if you take it to them in a convention - I once took my grandmother to a convention and had HER signed by them - it's harder to find an unsigned copy than a signed copy. ;) I understand you have a one of a kind book this is just my opinion.

 

You're right. This debate has been had ever since the dawn of Signature Series and it's unlikely that either of us would change the other's mind on the subject, so why try?

 

Instead, I'd like to :baiting: you by challenging 2 of your statements.

 

1) If you're looking for "Mint", you're looking for a CGC 9.9 or 10 (Mint or Gem Mint, respectively). Technically speaking, a 9.8 is NM/M. Given that definition, there's only been 1 Mint TMNT book from volume 1...a #37. I'm still looking for a "Mint" TMNT book myself. :) (Admittedly, this challenge was a little facetious, but the next one is valid).

 

2) Saying it's harder to find an unsigned copy than a signed copy could potentially be true when referring to a #1 first print, but really doesn't apply to any other issue. Take a look at the census. For any issue, there are far more Universal copies than signature series copies for any given book save for maybe a few (ones that I got signed with no other graded copies on the census). And take it from a guy who regularly goes searching for TMNT books raw. There are WAY more that haven't been signed than ones that have.

 

Just know that even among TMNT fans, you're not alone. Board member Oroku Saki has gotten on my case a few times about how he strongly prefers Universal to SS labels. To each his own. As far as I'm concerned, any opinion presented in a respectful way is a valid one and I'm just happy that there are other TMNT fans out there to enjoy this stuff with me. :)

 

First off I would give my left nut for your #3 Variant...both balls if it wasn't a SS. You have a great book that makes you happy and I love that you are willing to share it. You are right about how the unsigned thing is toward #1 first print. Keep in mind and you should know 3000 copies of #1 and only 500 copies of your book. Now it is 499 with out a signed cover ;) That #3 variant is the only "hard" and "expensive" TMNT comic I need to be able to complete my collection. All I'm saying is if I had the choice of yours or a unsigned copy I would buy the unsigned. I just learned about the #3 double cover and what a COOL comic but as an error I don't feel it is a must to have. On the other hand now that I know it exists I won't be able to sleep at night :insane:

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Keep in mind that as far as double covers go, it was relatively common in issue 3 but it wouldn't surprise me to see them for other issues in the run. Mirage didn't use the best printers for their stuff, which is why the variants from issues 3 and 4 are both printer errors. I know for a fact that board member TMNT has a #1 with a double cover (2nd print, I believe).

 

It's a good attitude to have to not kill yourself trying to find a copy, but definitely keep your eyes open because they're not as rare as you may think.

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Keep in mind that as far as double covers go, it was relatively common in issue 3 but it wouldn't surprise me to see them for other issues in the run. Mirage didn't use the best printers for their stuff, which is why the variants from issues 3 and 4 are both printer errors. I know for a fact that board member TMNT has a #1 with a double cover (2nd print, I believe).

 

It's a good attitude to have to not kill yourself trying to find a copy, but definitely keep your eyes open because they're not as rare as you may think.

 

Thanks for the info...now I may be able to get some sleep ;)

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Thanks for the link. Just watched it.

 

Bear in mind when you watch it, it's a fan film. Fan films are hit or miss. Some are bad. Really bad.

 

Since most fan films are made by people trying to get into the movie business, their budgets are out of pocket so to speak. So they aren't high quality.

 

Given that. I thought it was a really F'N cool fan film. (thumbs u (thumbs u

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I know for a fact that board member TMNT has a #1 with a double cover (2nd print, I believe)

 

Yep, 2nd print CGC 9.2. The only 2nd print double cover I've ever seen of issue #1. I also have a Raphael 1st print double cover (again, the only DC I've seen of the book). Seems during the early years, with the sketchy printers they used, that the magazine books especially were susceptible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a a 1st print #1-4 floating around out there as well.

 

And Adman, man....those books are stunning! (worship)

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I watched it earlier too, and I really enjoyed it! Loved it... I kind of wasn't expecting any Turtles to actually be in it, they did a great job with it all.

 

Thanks for the link. Just watched it.

 

Bear in mind when you watch it, it's a fan film. Fan films are hit or miss. Some are bad. Really bad.

 

Since most fan films are made by people trying to get into the movie business, their budgets are out of pocket so to speak. So they aren't high quality.

 

Given that. I thought it was a really F'N cool fan film. (thumbs u (thumbs u

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So did you guys see the TMNT Adventures #1 9.8 SS by Kevin Eastman that went for a whopping $140.51 on eBay!?! The comic is worth a fraction of that. I couldn't believe it. I thought for sure that I'd be able to win this for around 50 to 75 dollars--maximum. Turns out I was dead wrong. Congrats to the seller.

 

This is the first time that I have seen a signature drastically, and clearly, increase the value of a comic book.

 

Did you buy this, Peter Palmer? :gossip:

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Hmm. hm

 

I...suppose so. If you're going to for scarcity. But, I don't know. The comic itself isn't worth that much, in my opinion. That's the only reason why there aren't a lot on the census, I would imagine. I predict it won't be the only SS9.8 on the census for long. Congrats to the seller. :sumo:

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Advancedpillow:

 

PeasofCrap was the seller on this one. I didn't buy it or even bid on it because the volume 1 Mirage books keep me busy enough. :ohnoez: I do find it to be a very cool book, though. My personal prediction was it would be $125 and it would have surprised me greatly had it gone over $150. I don't think $140 is absurdly high, but it was a bit higher than I expected.

 

In general, TMNT collectors get TMNT adventures to read since they're fans of the original series and the books act as an extension of that. There aren't many high-grade collectors out there. However, the book is cool because

A) It's a #1

B) It's a 9.8

C) It's got great sig placement

 

If I weren't trying to maintain focus on my Mirage volume 1 run, I'd have snapped it up in a heartbeat.

 

Also...Hey Glenn! :hi:

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