Bosco685 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Jason, thanks for sharing this information and the images. When the Deadworld #10 OA sold at Comiclink, that second image was also in the same auction (THE CROW with him looking sideways). But the description at the time of auction didn't make sense what it was used for. You just completed the story for us. I think with any newsletter appearance (The Tick has this same situation where he 1st appears in the NEC newsletter as a mini cartoon), it just depends on the collector how they feel about the content. Comic book collectors are probably going to lean towards Deadworld #10. Others, now that they read this, may point to the newsletter. And most will just go with the 1st full appearance in Caliber Presents #1 as it is an easy discussion to have. But this was a very cool post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Yep, it's me. I also inked The Realm for Caliber starting with issue #16. I was around during the formation of Caliber and the very first meetings at Gary Reeds comic shop with Gary, Vince Locke, Guy Davis, Mark Bloodworth, Jim O'Barr and Randy Zimmerman. We would all meet once or twice a month and bring our current artwork to show off to each other. It was an amazing inspiration to see the beginnings of The Crow before anyone else had ever seen them it at all. The beginning of the wonderful series Baker Street vy Guy Davis who wanted so desperately to be separated from his pencilling work on The Realm. Just so much talent in one single room for 5 or 6 hours at a time...talking shop, discussing artwork techniques etc....an unbelievable and inspirational time for me back when I was a tiny little 16 or 17 years old. Ah...the good ol' days =) Thanks for remembering me though! That actually meant a lot to me. I really appreciate it =) You were 16-17 at the time? What a way to break into comics at such a young age. Right at the heat of the Black & White Boom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 I learned another thing tonight. So 'Caliber Presents' was originally going to be called 'High Caliber'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manetteska Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 What's the going rate on a 8.5-9.0 raw of #1? $125.00-$150.00. Great buys in this guy's humble opinion. Really? Even for a "low" grade considering it's somewhat modern? Thanks for the info; hard to track sales on eBay. Figured I'd ask the experts. :thumbsup: Now where to find out about Solar 10 and Harbinger 1.... It's pretty easy to pick up a VF/NM copy of #1 for less than $100. I was going by GPA. Not a whole lot of sales to go by, but the range goes from $95.00-$150.00 for those grades, and I am of the belief that they will just go up. He asked about raw prices :shrug: Oh well, I pulled the trigger and I think I still got a good deal -- as long as the comic arrives in the stated condition. Came with a #3 and a #4, so on the lookout for a deuce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Yep, it's me. I also inked The Realm for Caliber starting with issue #16. I was around during the formation of Caliber and the very first meetings at Gary Reeds comic shop with Gary, Vince Locke, Guy Davis, Mark Bloodworth, Jim O'Barr and Randy Zimmerman. We would all meet once or twice a month and bring our current artwork to show off to each other. It was an amazing inspiration to see the beginnings of The Crow before anyone else had ever seen them it at all. The beginning of the wonderful series Baker Street vy Guy Davis who wanted so desperately to be separated from his pencilling work on The Realm. Just so much talent in one single room for 5 or 6 hours at a time...talking shop, discussing artwork techniques etc....an unbelievable and inspirational time for me back when I was a tiny little 16 or 17 years old. Ah...the good ol' days =) Thanks for remembering me though! That actually meant a lot to me. I really appreciate it =) You were 16-17 at the time? What a way to break into comics at such a young age. Right at the heat of the Black & White Boom. Caliber wasn't around until 1988, and the "heat" of the B&W boom was 1986. By 1988, it was long over. And yes, Caliber Presents was originally High Caliber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Even though this is not the actual comic, wouldn't this still be considered the actual first printed appearance of The Crow? These wouldn't hold any value because they aren't printed in "comic form"? Yes, but they are promotional material, not actual story appearances. Deadworld #10 isn't, properly, the "first appearance" of the Crow, either...that distinction is CB #1. Neato stuff, but still in the realm of preview/promo. They certainly have value, but aren't as important as CB #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Yep, it's me. I also inked The Realm for Caliber starting with issue #16. I was around during the formation of Caliber and the very first meetings at Gary Reeds comic shop with Gary, Vince Locke, Guy Davis, Mark Bloodworth, Jim O'Barr and Randy Zimmerman. We would all meet once or twice a month and bring our current artwork to show off to each other. It was an amazing inspiration to see the beginnings of The Crow before anyone else had ever seen them it at all. The beginning of the wonderful series Baker Street vy Guy Davis who wanted so desperately to be separated from his pencilling work on The Realm. Just so much talent in one single room for 5 or 6 hours at a time...talking shop, discussing artwork techniques etc....an unbelievable and inspirational time for me back when I was a tiny little 16 or 17 years old. Ah...the good ol' days =) Thanks for remembering me though! That actually meant a lot to me. I really appreciate it =) You were 16-17 at the time? What a way to break into comics at such a young age. Right at the heat of the Black & White Boom. Caliber wasn't around until 1988, and the "heat" of the B&W boom was 1986. By 1988, it was long over. And yes, Caliber Presents was originally High Caliber. If you have me on ignore, then please keep it that way. We are much better off like that, and you follow your own advice to the rest of the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 They must have reused this image, as I have seen that drawing published in another book. I just can't remember what it was in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkmachine Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 If you have me on ignore, then please keep it that way. We are much better off like that, and you follow your own advice to the rest of the forum. is the above comment directed at me? If so, I'm confused as to why. I don't have anyone here on ignore. please let me know. best Jason Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr 9.8 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 If you have me on ignore, then please keep it that way. We are much better off like that, and you follow your own advice to the rest of the forum. is the above comment directed at me? If so, I'm confused as to why. I don't have anyone here on ignore. please let me know. best Jason Moore No, I'm pretty sure It's directed ar RMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 If you have me on ignore, then please keep it that way. We are much better off like that, and you follow your own advice to the rest of the forum. is the above comment directed at me? If so, I'm confused as to why. I don't have anyone here on ignore. please let me know. best Jason Moore No, I'm pretty sure It's directed ar RMA. Correct! If you put someone on ignore, and preach to others about sticking to your principles when taking such action, then walk the talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 I was around during the formation of Caliber and the very first meetings at Gary Reeds comic shop with Gary, Vince Locke, Guy Davis, Mark Bloodworth, Jim O'Barr and Randy Zimmerman. Whenever the falling-out comes up between Gary and James O'Barr, Gary says O'Barr got too big in his own mind and wanted to dominate things at Caliber, and O'Barr states Gary became jealous of his Crow success. Do you know what happened between these two? It's kind of a shame, since they helped kick off one of the more recognized companies from the independent Copper Age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkmachine Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I will reply more in depth to some of your replies at lunch time today. Deadlines loom over my head so I need to focus this morning on inks! =) Thanks for all of the replies! Best, Jason Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comix4fun Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 well, I hate to break it to everyone, but the back cover to Deadworld #10 is NOT the very first printed appearance of The Crow. It may be the first appearance on a comic, but not the first printed appearance ever. Caliber printed an advertisement circular that they distributed to local comic shops in the Michigan area called Caliber Rounds. I used to get them from Gary Reed directly when I would visit the Caliber offices to turn in my inks for The Realm. This is actually the very first printed appearance of The Crow. These advertisement papers were published in July or August of 1988. Higher resolution scans are available if anyone wants them. I don't think many people have any copies of these at all and if they do, they don't show them off . I have never seen any other copies of these anywhere and I talked with Gary Reed (publisher of Caliber Press) just this past weekend and he told me that he doesn't even have any copies of these for his archives, so I loaned them to him to scan. Even though this is not the actual comic, wouldn't this still be considered the actual first printed appearance of The Crow? These wouldn't hold any value because they aren't printed in "comic form"? Just curious about this as I found these after digging through boxes of old stuff in preparation for a trade paperback collection of a Arrow Comics project of mine. Looking forward to hearing thoughts on this! Best, Jason Moore Those are cool images, but I'll take the first appearance in a comic book every time, personally. Otherwise almost every first appearance for the last 30 years would be in the form of a Previews Catalog Order Form promo. Most folks who collect artwork don't place anywhere near the same weight on promo materials from order forms or newsletters as they do on those items published in comics. The painted DW #10 cover was created especially for that back cover, whereas many of the images you posted were lifted pages from the interior of the Crow books, end papers, splashes, lifted panels, etc. Nostalgia plays the largest role with collectors when it comes to what has and retains value. The DW #10 and Caliber Presents #1 back covers are burned into Crow fans brains at this point. I am not sure if most people have ever even seen that Caliber promo, given that DW #10 was Caliber's first published comic as a publisher. Most people wouldn't have much of a clue back then what Caliber was since there were no comics on the racks until DW #10. It's neat to see though. Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 I will reply more in depth to some of your replies at lunch time today. Deadlines loom over my head so I need to focus this morning on inks! =) Thanks for all of the replies! Best, Jason Moore I'll try not to overwhelm you with questions. It is just always great when a creator can participate in the discussions, and share some of the details about that period of time and the events that shaped the Copper Age. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikingreed Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 How many "issues" of Caliber Rounds did the Crow "appear" on? Thanks for sharing the images. Very cool stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comix4fun Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 How many "issues" of Caliber Rounds did the Crow "appear" on? Thanks for sharing the images. Very cool stuff! I believe it was this one 4 page spread in that single issue. It was sent out to retailers and given out at conventions. I believe that some of the letter columns and informational pages inside of Deadworld wound up eventually sharing that name as well. Gary, at one point, said there were 12,000 copies of this newsletter printed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 How many "issues" of Caliber Rounds did the Crow "appear" on? Thanks for sharing the images. Very cool stuff! I believe it was this one 4 page spread in that single issue. It was sent out to retailers and given out at conventions. I believe that some of the letter columns and informational pages inside of Deadworld wound up eventually sharing that name as well. Gary, at one point, said there were 12,000 copies of this newsletter printed. That's actually more than I would have assumed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comix4fun Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 How many "issues" of Caliber Rounds did the Crow "appear" on? Thanks for sharing the images. Very cool stuff! I believe it was this one 4 page spread in that single issue. It was sent out to retailers and given out at conventions. I believe that some of the letter columns and informational pages inside of Deadworld wound up eventually sharing that name as well. Gary, at one point, said there were 12,000 copies of this newsletter printed. That's actually more than I would have assumed. Me too, but it's a simple promo newsletter. 5,000-7,000 (at the time) would have gone out to shops. As well, given the number of distributors that still existed at that time, there would be a few more thousand that would go to them as extra copies to go out to their accounts. Then there are conventions that these were meant to be handed out to people. It's kind of light for a publisher launching newsletter/promo. It seems to be that this was a one-shot ad book...and the name got recycled for a letters column later on inside the comics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 I still think you won the better piece of Crow artwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
