PROBATION DISCUSSIONS 21 21

[HarveySwick]

All I can say to try to simplify this...

 

The book for sale is NOT the book that Bob originally bought.

 

"It's not a stain, that's the lighting" negates any deal when it turns out it IS a stain as the buyer obviously relied on the incorrect representations of the seller even if they were unintentional.

 

[GIJOEISAWESOME-migration]

I just want to re-post one of my early posts in this thread...

 

Bob seems like a nice guy, so I hate that it has to come to this. I don't do a lot of trading, and I was kind of enjoying it.

 

But their are consequences for our actions. If their weren't, people would back out all the time.

 

Dan, I find your answers very honest,you admitted that Bob's offer was a better deal than what you asked for originally and you admitted selling before you had the book back so you could maximize your profit. I applaud you for that.

 

However you must see that your actions also have consequences. You sold a book before you had it in hand, and before you had the graders notes. You made a statement about a "stain" that turned out to be in error.

 

 

So, I think there are errors on both sides.

 

Bob's error was making an offer of a trade to begin with. This is why I don't love trades, i'd always have traders regret.

 

However, I can absolutely see where his offer of cash should have solved the problem, he was offering full asking price. You on the other hand saw a better deal and you wanted that. The fact that you later would have accepted the full price (after getting the book back) just further muddies the waters.

 

The end part, the part with the stain, well that's more on you.

 

I would really love to see you both just walk away and call it a day.

 

I don't see any other reasonable solution here.

 

Sha, I have one MAJOR disagreement. I ABHORE cash. I hate it. I hate spending it, and i hate (but a lesser hate) getting it. I love the art of trading. I have been on the boards 7-8 months now, and have completed only 80 cash deals be they purchase or sale. In the same 7-8 months, I have completed over 100 trading transactions with only 2 hiccups, and neither were traders remorse. I will continue to do trades, I think it is truly a blessing for two people to exchange things that the other want without spending money and angering their wives

[Spider-Dan]

I just want to re-post one of my early posts in this thread...

 

Bob seems like a nice guy, so I hate that it has to come to this. I don't do a lot of trading, and I was kind of enjoying it.

 

But their are consequences for our actions. If their weren't, people would back out all the time.

 

Dan, I find your answers very honest,you admitted that Bob's offer was a better deal than what you asked for originally and you admitted selling before you had the book back so you could maximize your profit. I applaud you for that.

 

However you must see that your actions also have consequences. You sold a book before you had it in hand, and before you had the graders notes. You made a statement about a "stain" that turned out to be in error.

 

 

So, I think there are errors on both sides.

 

Bob's error was making an offer of a trade to begin with. This is why I don't love trades, i'd always have traders regret.

 

However, I can absolutely see where his offer of cash should have solved the problem, he was offering full asking price. You on the other hand saw a better deal and you wanted that. The fact that you later would have accepted the full price (after getting the book back) just further muddies the waters.

 

The end part, the part with the stain, well that's more on you.

 

I would really love to see you both just walk away and call it a day.

 

I don't see any other reasonable solution here.

 

Just so your clear on the timeline Sharon

 

I did offer to take Bob's cash offer AFTER his 2nd attempt to keep his books. It was obvious if he wasn't going to let go of the books we made the deal on. Which was BEFORE I got the book back and Bob got the notes

[GIJOEISAWESOME-migration]

Sharon is right about having the book in hand prior to the sale, it would help to avoid certain situations like these.

 

The book turned out to have a flaw that was unknown to the buyer and seller alike. The seller assumed the flaw was something different. Once the book was in hand and the flaw became known the buyer should not have to complete the transaction.

 

My

+1 (thumbs u

 

So what do we do? Does Bob just go on the PL unless he buys it? There's no vote for this, right?

 

I DO NOT THINK BOB SHOULD BE PUT ON THE PL. This is not his fault or Dan's fault. You too need to walk away before you forever hate each other.

 

+1 It's not worth getting bent out of shape. Seller keeps a beautiful book and buyer moves on.

 

No, this is my total honest opinion:

 

Bomber bob: You made a trade in which you knew you weren't coming out on top, but you wanted a nice book. You got buyers remorse on a book and tried to adjust the offer. For that you are at fault. Then you found out about the stain. That is neither of your fault's.

 

Spider Dan: You had a good thing coming. A sweet trade in which you came out on top. Then Bob wanted to adjust it to all cash, the same thing you would have originally accepted, but you got greedy and wanted the trade back. For this you are at fault. Then Bob found out about the stain. That is neither of your fault's.

 

 

You both made a mistake in the transaction, and there was an unfortunate problem with the stain. At this point it is best for both of you to totally walk away from this situation. It will only become a grudge you will both stew on. Shake hands and move on. A comic should never ruin a friendship.

 

 

 

This was a well written thought. What have you done with my buddy GiJoe?

 

This made me smile @CAHokie, Please PM if you wanna chat, I've missed ya

[wasonff]

I just want to re-post one of my early posts in this thread...

 

Bob seems like a nice guy, so I hate that it has to come to this. I don't do a lot of trading, and I was kind of enjoying it.

 

But their are consequences for our actions. If their weren't, people would back out all the time.

 

Dan, I find your answers very honest,you admitted that Bob's offer was a better deal than what you asked for originally and you admitted selling before you had the book back so you could maximize your profit. I applaud you for that.

 

However you must see that your actions also have consequences. You sold a book before you had it in hand, and before you had the graders notes. You made a statement about a "stain" that turned out to be in error.

 

 

So, I think there are errors on both sides.

 

Bob's error was making an offer of a trade to begin with. This is why I don't love trades, i'd always have traders regret.

 

However, I can absolutely see where his offer of cash should have solved the problem, he was offering full asking price. You on the other hand saw a better deal and you wanted that. The fact that you later would have accepted the full price (after getting the book back) just further muddies the waters.

 

The end part, the part with the stain, well that's more on you.

 

I would really love to see you both just walk away and call it a day.

 

I don't see any other reasonable solution here.

 

Sharon,

I agree with the majority of what you wrote save for what I bolded above. I think it should be clarified that Dan HAD a better deal already agreed to (the cash/trade) and he wanted that adhered to.

[MetalPSI]

I just want to re-post one of my early posts in this thread...

 

Bob seems like a nice guy, so I hate that it has to come to this. I don't do a lot of trading, and I was kind of enjoying it.

 

But their are consequences for our actions. If their weren't, people would back out all the time.

 

Dan, I find your answers very honest,you admitted that Bob's offer was a better deal than what you asked for originally and you admitted selling before you had the book back so you could maximize your profit. I applaud you for that.

 

However you must see that your actions also have consequences. You sold a book before you had it in hand, and before you had the graders notes. You made a statement about a "stain" that turned out to be in error.

 

 

So, I think there are errors on both sides.

 

Bob's error was making an offer of a trade to begin with. This is why I don't love trades, i'd always have traders regret.

 

However, I can absolutely see where his offer of cash should have solved the problem, he was offering full asking price. You on the other hand saw a better deal and you wanted that. The fact that you later would have accepted the full price (after getting the book back) just further muddies the waters.

 

The end part, the part with the stain, well that's more on you.

 

I would really love to see you both just walk away and call it a day.

 

I don't see any other reasonable solution here.

 

Sha, I have one MAJOR disagreement. I ABHORE cash. I hate it. I hate spending it, and i hate (but a lesser hate) getting it. I love the art of trading. I have been on the boards 7-8 months now, and have completed only 80 cash deals be they purchase or sale. In the same 7-8 months, I have completed over 100 trading transactions with only 2 hiccups, and neither were traders remorse. I will continue to do trades, I think it is truly a blessing for two people to exchange things that the other want without spending moneyand angering their wives

 

 

I agree with skypinkblu on this though. I would totally have traders remorse. I hate letting my books go

[Logan510]

All I can say to try to simplify this...

 

The book for sale is NOT the book that Bob originally bought.

 

"It's not a stain, that's the lighting" negates any deal when it turns out it IS a stain as the buyer obviously relied on the incorrect representations of the seller even if they were unintentional.

 

 

Whoomp there it is.

[djpinkpanther67]

I just want to re-post one of my early posts in this thread...

 

Bob seems like a nice guy, so I hate that it has to come to this. I don't do a lot of trading, and I was kind of enjoying it.

 

But their are consequences for our actions. If their weren't, people would back out all the time.

 

Dan, I find your answers very honest,you admitted that Bob's offer was a better deal than what you asked for originally and you admitted selling before you had the book back so you could maximize your profit. I applaud you for that.

 

However you must see that your actions also have consequences. You sold a book before you had it in hand, and before you had the graders notes. You made a statement about a "stain" that turned out to be in error.

 

 

So, I think there are errors on both sides.

 

Bob's error was making an offer of a trade to begin with. This is why I don't love trades, i'd always have traders regret.

 

However, I can absolutely see where his offer of cash should have solved the problem, he was offering full asking price. You on the other hand saw a better deal and you wanted that. The fact that you later would have accepted the full price (after getting the book back) just further muddies the waters.

 

The end part, the part with the stain, well that's more on you.

 

I would really love to see you both just walk away and call it a day.

 

I don't see any other reasonable solution here.

Well said Sharon. I agree. And I can empathize with both parties perspective, but as someone just stated it's a comic book. Not worth ruining goodwill/friendship here. There will be other nice copies that find their way to the FS threads. In the 7 years here I have seen more than a few nice copies here...Dan can still sell the book. Though some people might, not all people will call the stain a deal breaker.

[mikenyc]

I just want to re-post one of my early posts in this thread...

 

Bob seems like a nice guy, so I hate that it has to come to this. I don't do a lot of trading, and I was kind of enjoying it.

 

But their are consequences for our actions. If their weren't, people would back out all the time.

 

Dan, I find your answers very honest,you admitted that Bob's offer was a better deal than what you asked for originally and you admitted selling before you had the book back so you could maximize your profit. I applaud you for that.

 

However you must see that your actions also have consequences. You sold a book before you had it in hand, and before you had the graders notes. You made a statement about a "stain" that turned out to be in error.

 

 

So, I think there are errors on both sides.

 

Bob's error was making an offer of a trade to begin with. This is why I don't love trades, i'd always have traders regret.

 

However, I can absolutely see where his offer of cash should have solved the problem, he was offering full asking price. You on the other hand saw a better deal and you wanted that. The fact that you later would have accepted the full price (after getting the book back) just further muddies the waters.

 

The end part, the part with the stain, well that's more on you.

 

I would really love to see you both just walk away and call it a day.

 

I don't see any other reasonable solution here.

 

Just so your clear on the timeline Sharon

 

I did offer to take Bob's cash offer AFTER his 2nd attempt to keep his books. It was obvious if he wasn't going to let go of the books we made the deal on. Which was BEFORE I got the book back and Bob got the notes

 

I guess the pointed question is, do you plan on pursuing the PL route or did you air this out to gauge the boards sentiment?

 

Clearly Bob has no intention of completing the transaction and you seem to be sticking to your guns.

 

 

 

 

[djpinkpanther67]

I just want to re-post one of my early posts in this thread...

 

Bob seems like a nice guy, so I hate that it has to come to this. I don't do a lot of trading, and I was kind of enjoying it.

 

But their are consequences for our actions. If their weren't, people would back out all the time.

 

Dan, I find your answers very honest,you admitted that Bob's offer was a better deal than what you asked for originally and you admitted selling before you had the book back so you could maximize your profit. I applaud you for that.

 

However you must see that your actions also have consequences. You sold a book before you had it in hand, and before you had the graders notes. You made a statement about a "stain" that turned out to be in error.

 

 

So, I think there are errors on both sides.

 

Bob's error was making an offer of a trade to begin with. This is why I don't love trades, i'd always have traders regret.

 

However, I can absolutely see where his offer of cash should have solved the problem, he was offering full asking price. You on the other hand saw a better deal and you wanted that. The fact that you later would have accepted the full price (after getting the book back) just further muddies the waters.

 

The end part, the part with the stain, well that's more on you.

 

I would really love to see you both just walk away and call it a day.

 

I don't see any other reasonable solution here.

 

Sharon,

I agree with the majority of what you wrote save for what I bolded above. I think it should be clarified that Dan HAD a better deal already agreed to (the cash/trade) and he wanted that adhered to.

That's what she said. Re-read it. Wait. I re-read it. She was correct but not about the timeline. my bad.

Edited January 29, 2014 by djpinkpanther67

[MetalPSI]

 

I guess the pointed question is, do you plan on pursuing the PL route or if did you air this out to gauge the boards sentiment?

 

Clearly Bob has no intention of completing the transaction and you seem to be sticking to your guns.

 

 

 

 

Whoomp there it is

[MrBedrock]

I would really love to see you both just walk away and call it a day.

 

I don't see any other reasonable solution here.

I would love to see Dan and Bob walk hand in hand over to CGC's offices and both get an explanation as to how a book with these notes...

 

Here are the grading notes:

Grader Notes: Spine Lite Wear Breaks Color

Spine Stress Lines Breaks Color

Full Right Front Cover Small Multiple Crease Breaks Color

Front Cover Lite Wear

Right Bottom Back Cover Lite Smear

Center Front Cover Lite Crease Breaks Color

Left Bottom Whole Book Stain

 

...could ever possibly be in an 8.0 holder, or conversely how a book with no terribly noticeable stain could garner those harsh notes. It's stupid really. If that is how it is now then this...

...should now be in an equivalent numerical holder as it has a dime size light stain on the top back cover going through the pages.

 

[Darrell F]

Sharon is right about having the book in hand prior to the sale, it would help to avoid certain situations like these.

This right here. I just cannot understand how someone can make an agreement on a 16k book without seeing the final results. If you are too impatient to wait for the book to be in hand before you buy it then you should have to suck it up and stick with what you get.

[Spider-Dan]

Sharon is right about having the book in hand prior to the sale, it would help to avoid certain situations like these.

 

The book turned out to have a flaw that was unknown to the buyer and seller alike. The seller assumed the flaw was something different. Once the book was in hand and the flaw became known the buyer should not have to complete the transaction.

 

My

+1 (thumbs u

 

So what do we do? Does Bob just go on the PL unless he buys it? There's no vote for this, right?

 

I DO NOT THINK BOB SHOULD BE PUT ON THE PL. This is not his fault or Dan's fault. You too need to walk away before you forever hate each other.

 

+1 It's not worth getting bent out of shape. Seller keeps a beautiful book and buyer moves on.

 

No, this is my total honest opinion:

 

Bomber bob: You made a trade in which you knew you weren't coming out on top, but you wanted a nice book. You got buyers remorse on a book and tried to adjust the offer. For that you are at fault. Then you found out about the stain. That is neither of your fault's.

 

Spider Dan: You had a good thing coming. A sweet trade in which you came out on top. Then Bob wanted to adjust it to all cash, the same thing you would have originally accepted, but you got greedy and wanted the trade back. For this you are at fault. Then Bob found out about the stain. That is neither of your fault's.

 

 

You both made a mistake in the transaction, and there was an unfortunate problem with the stain. At this point it is best for both of you to totally walk away from this situation. It will only become a grudge you will both stew on. Shake hands and move on. A comic should never ruin a friendship.

 

 

 

Wanting to stick to YOUR offer makes ME greedy?? If I offered you $100 for one of your MOS 18's you agree, then I decide I only want to pay $80. Does it make you "greedy" to want the $100 we agreed on??

 

That's crazy

[comix4fun]

 

I guess the pointed question is, do you plan on pursuing the PL route or if did you air this out to gauge the boards sentiment?

 

Clearly Bob has no intention of completing the transaction and you seem to be sticking to your guns.

 

 

 

 

Whoomp there it is

 

 

 

I'm sorry that 90's catch phrase was already used tonight.

 

You may choose an alternative from the following:

 

BAM!

 

SHAMA-LAMA-DING-DONG!!

 

BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!

 

BOOM-SHAKA-LAKA!!!

 

GAMEDAY BUCKET GO BOOM!!

 

 

[Logan510]

 

I guess the pointed question is, do you plan on pursuing the PL route or if did you air this out to gauge the boards sentiment?

 

Clearly Bob has no intention of completing the transaction and you seem to be sticking to your guns.

 

 

 

 

Whoomp there it is

 

Is there an echo up in this piece?

[Speedy-D]

[GIJOEISAWESOME-migration]

SpiderDan should not place BB on the PL. It is obvious you both made a mistake, be the odds more favorable towards Dan or Bob. Move on. I would hat to see pride get in the way of a friendship, as it has already gotten in the way of a comic sale. I believe you are two good people. Don't change that

Edited January 29, 2014 by GIJOEISAWESOME

[jsilverjanet]

one of things that I think makes the sales area for this board unique is the amount of emphasis the community places on your "word".

 

Without it, so many issues would ensue. Veteran board members speak about it all the time in this thread. Too often that emphasis is place on the buyer keeping it, but I think it works both ways. Your "word" or in this case "words" are everything.

 

As a buyer, if the expectation is for me to hold up my end of the deal, then to some extent the seller should meet the obligations of the sale from their end, one of which is providing an accurate description of the item being sold. In this case the missed stain could result in the sale being null/void.

 

Edited January 29, 2014 by jsilverjanet

[GIJOEISAWESOME-migration]

Sharon is right about having the book in hand prior to the sale, it would help to avoid certain situations like these.

 

The book turned out to have a flaw that was unknown to the buyer and seller alike. The seller assumed the flaw was something different. Once the book was in hand and the flaw became known the buyer should not have to complete the transaction.

 

My

+1 (thumbs u

 

So what do we do? Does Bob just go on the PL unless he buys it? There's no vote for this, right?

 

I DO NOT THINK BOB SHOULD BE PUT ON THE PL. This is not his fault or Dan's fault. You too need to walk away before you forever hate each other.

 

+1 It's not worth getting bent out of shape. Seller keeps a beautiful book and buyer moves on.

 

No, this is my total honest opinion:

 

Bomber bob: You made a trade in which you knew you weren't coming out on top, but you wanted a nice book. You got buyers remorse on a book and tried to adjust the offer. For that you are at fault. Then you found out about the stain. That is neither of your fault's.

 

Spider Dan: You had a good thing coming. A sweet trade in which you came out on top. Then Bob wanted to adjust it to all cash, the same thing you would have originally accepted, but you got greedy and wanted the trade back. For this you are at fault. Then Bob found out about the stain. That is neither of your fault's.

 

 

You both made a mistake in the transaction, and there was an unfortunate problem with the stain. At this point it is best for both of you to totally walk away from this situation. It will only become a grudge you will both stew on. Shake hands and move on. A comic should never ruin a friendship.

 

 

 

Wanting to stick to YOUR offer makes ME greedy?? If I offered you $100 for one of your MOS 18's you agree, then I decide I only want to pay $80. Does it make you "greedy" to want the $100 we agreed on??

 

That's crazy

 

No, read my other post after this one. I am not trying to gang up on you. I just am expressing my sentiments. Other boardies share my sentiments also. Dan, I believe it is best to drop this issue, and move on.