PROBATION DISCUSSIONS 21 21

[CAHokie]

In response to Adam's request of PL for me I completely AGREE I should be placed on the list. I have been so wrapped up in everything going on that I haven't had a chance to get on here in almost 11 weeks to respond to questions. Reasons I should be on here stretch more than the Eastman opp and until I can set the status back to clear I will not take another commission request nor sell on the boards. No need for voting, or large discussions of why or why not I whole heartedly believe until I can get everything done that j do belong on here.

 

The Eastman opp:

Yes SDCC was a huge sketch opportunity and almost everything has been completed and turned into CGC. If you check with Doug (dscott) he is just now receiving the last of his order from San Diego and I'm really trying to get this one completed. I have three large scale commissions to include Adam's request and I'll finally be done with SDCC.

 

The Hawaii Eastman opp:

I am waiting on 10 commissions left for it to be completed. These are 10 full body commissions and not part of the opp conducted on here. The ones completed were some different commission requests such as Nightwing Turtle, Harley Quinn Turtle, Batman, and several others which were completed as can be verified by Adonis (Not sure what he is called now) and Yaw (yagyare) who were in the hotel room while he was drawing these for everyone.

 

Someone asked why I took commissions at NYCC, I did not. Darrel F happened to accompany me to Kevin's hotel to pick up some commissions as well as books signed and asked me if I could ask him on the spot. That was the only commission done at that show by Kevin outside of the small stand in line he did at IDWs booth.

 

It's because of being behind by the 13 commissions that I did not take any requests for Canada, NYCC or the past weeks Amazing Oklahoma City Comic Con as we have been able to whittle down numbers during it. Usually his work load is pretty enormous and why I try to slide a book in on him a week as I figure one at a time is at least something.

 

As for grading for these, one hang up was something I didn't see, licensing. Everything should be taken care of and should finally start seeing these completed though.

 

Other stuff and Cleaning out laundry here:

Jamie Biggs, Adam himself warned me about this one but following commission requests and then receiving them back before my requested cut off I ran an op with Jamie. Currently waiting on a single book to be completed and have been trying to contact Jaime about closing this thing which has been an enormous headache. (Self Inflicted)

 

Alfred Trujilo, his books are either at CGC or at my home... Yes they could be at my home but I honestly have not had a chance to open boxes I have received due to my travel schedule. Usually I'm home for Wednesday long enough to wash my clothes, kiss the kids, and pat the wife on the head. This I need to check on when I get home hopefully Friday which I have a weekend off finally and will be back.

 

Kokkinakis, currently awaiting a single book as well, been in contact with him about it though so should be near the end of the tunnel with him.

 

Harley Quinn Amazing books, these are spread between three places, CGC, my home, and just getting to CGC. The ones just getting to CGC were just signed by Palmiotti and Conner a few weeks ago due to Amanda not attending NYCC.

 

I will get on messaging every single person back as soon as I can but I really am bogged down. The biggest reason I am replying to this isn't to keep myself out of the PL but because I've received several texts, calls, and an email this morning alone and I know I need to respond to everyone on a PM by the end of this week. I WILL find a way to get back on here more to respond.

 

Lastly I truly do apologize for the delay in everything. It's not my intention to keep books away from you all whether to keep or flip and I am not against me being on the PL but would even wish to nominate myself until I can get things cleared up with each of these issues as well as a few extra ones I have going on as well.

 

I just want my harly Quinn with 4 sigs that you said was in with cgc back in September. Only reason why I never requested you for pl is because you live in the town I grew up in. So I have done this as a favor to you for not requesting it. However and email would have been nice.

 

In light of all the new information that has been shown in private board concerning Akoni and I know that Board members are trying to help in any way they can shows a great credit to Akoni in the past. However, in light of the amount of money and value of comics involved I request that Akoni not only gets put on the Probation List but to be automatically moved to the Hall of Shame. There is thousands of dollars worth of comics and money that he has taken from people and failed to provide the services requested. On top of him taking money and goods from people in other countries makes what he is currently doing an international crime with wire fraud. Not counting the crimes he committed here in the US for wire fraud. This is an out rage to allow someone to come back and potentially do this again. So I urge that he be moved to the Hall of Shame.

 

As said above, you have the right to put his name up for a vote for the HOS but everything has to be written out very detailed. Then people will vote. What makes you think he committed Domestic and International Wire Fraud as opposed to overextending himself and running a horrible business? I ask because those are some of the strongest allegations I have read on here in a long time. A majority of the time things like this turn into a Civil issue rather than Criminal. Are you saying you think he had intent to weasel money out of people?

[Securitybob]

You want a detailed timeline join the round table and just look for yourself at how much money is involved and what other board members are having to do just so Akoni does not have to answer his PMs. So if you want get with yagyare and join in to see what Akoni has done. There is your timeline of facts and information on the services not rendered after payment, and the comics he is still holding after payment, and the personal comics people have sent to him for signatures that have not been returned. THOUSANDS of dollars in value and cash are involved. So yes I move to have him automatically put into the Hall of Shame.

[CAHokie]

You want a detailed timeline join the round table and just look for yourself at how much money is involved and what other board members are having to do just so Akoni does not have to answer his PMs. So if you want get with yagyare and join in to see what Akoni has done. There is your timeline of facts and information on the services not rendered after payment, and the comics he is still holding after payment, and the personal comics people have sent to him for signatures that have not been returned. THOUSANDS of dollars in value and cash are involved. So yes I move to have him automatically put into the Hall of Shame.

 

Again, that is not how the process works. There is no such thing as automatically putting someone in the HOS and it can't be decided by a round table. It is decided by a vote by the boards. Even the worst of the worst had their vote even when it was an overwhelming yes to place them there. I would be upset as well if my money or books were still missing, so if you want the vote, put the timeline together and post it.

[Turtle]

Bob,

 

My personal recommendation on this would be to allow this to play out a while longer before causing a big stir here. We are pretty early in the "salvage operation". Let's see what we can do a get some books to CGC, graded, and shipped to their owners. Let's see who we can make whole first.

 

When the dust settles a bit and we have a good record of how things were handled and resolved (whether satisfactorily or otherwise), then we can discuss adding him to the HoS. In the mean time, he's already on the probation list per my request. I'm betting based on what I'm hearing, mine will not be among the first books recovered, so he'll be on there until things get sorted out.

 

Let's let cooler heads prevail. No need to throw gasoline on the fire. I'd like to focus our efforts on recovery. A lynch mob would only muddy the waters.

 

Just my

[Doktor]

I think you're missing the point that it's not up to the community to make the case for HoS, it's up to the party doing the nomination.

 

So if you're really pushing for a HoS nomination, it's up to you to provide a timeline, clear argument & documentation (via screen shots, e-mails, links, etc) to make that case. Asking those here to do our own research is pretty much a recipe for a failed nomination. Because it'll get ignored.

[Securitybob]

I will just drop it then since over 30 members are being taken advantage of. I will never buy from him again. Good Luck guys in your future dealings with him.

Edited January 7, 2016 by Securitybob

[seanfingh]

I will just drop it then since over 30 members are being taken advantage of. I will never buy from him again. Good Luck guys in your future dealings with him.

 

If this is your response to Adam's request to not throw gasoline on the fire, keep it to yourself. You are obviously super fired up.

 

Based upon your "law enforcement" background, you also may want to be more circumspect about tossing out allegations of criminal action. While it is certainly possible that crimes were committed, this is also still America where you are innocent until proven guilty. As it relates to the civil side, I would suggest that everyone avail themselves of whatever remedies are available to them, particularly if the amount or the source of the funds used is causing financial hardship.

 

For a lot of folks, the comics or art may be far more important than the money. In that case, my experience has been that it is the best to work with CGC and other parties who may be able to track down/secure the comics and art than it is to go full incendiary mode

 

Right now it is a terrible situation. Yes, people have been aggrieved. But there is no "one size fits all" solution. Each person needs to analyze his or her own situation and make the best decisions they can predicated upon their own individuals priorities and circumstances.

 

 

[Junkdrawer]

It's just a hunch, but I doubt Akoni would attempt to create a sales thread, but whatever. I don't think a nomination is going to do a thing. IF by chance he was to even try to sell a book here, there's no way with the number of duped members in the chamber would allow a sales thread to progress.

 

[N/A]

I suspect his board dealings will be nonexistent moving forward.

[Hado]

I suspect his board dealings will be nonexistent moving forward.

They sound nonexistent right now.

 

[N/A]

I suspect his board dealings will be nonexistent moving forward.

They sound nonexistent right now.

 

Then I expect the status quo to continue for the foreseeable future.

[KPR Comics]

But what about bloodlust and vengeance? They will not be sated.

 

[N/A]

Just play the WD game on iPad. Lots of blood.

[RockMyAmadeus]

Thx for all the PM's and a happy 2016 to all of you.

 

I bought an ASM666 set from Seerojas for $1700 on 7-Jul-2014. The set was incomplete and remained so after months of (40) e-mails and promises. So in December 2014 I decided to put this story on the board. At the same time - 27-dec-2014 - I sent Seerojas a PM, summarizing the history of our issue which I had also posted here. I also wrote: 'This is your final chance to formally respond to my complaint, otherwise I will try to get you put on the HOS-list of this forum'. Obviously, no solution was reached.

 

PL or HOS: at that time I wasn't aware of the difference and it doesn't matter to me, I just want people to know who this guy Seerojas is.

 

Nothing happened on the board as well, so I let it go as I had better things to do. Meaning: I gave up. Then 1 year later Seerojas returns and makes a lot of fuss. He PM's me with an offer of $55 restitution and another $55 to make things right. To make this clear: it was his offer, not my demand and I didn't take the effort to check if this amount was relevant or not. I refused his offer as I didn't believe he would live up to his promise. Then I changed my mind, as it would demonstrate to the board that this guy does not keep his promises. I sent him a PM that I accepted his offer and of course I didn't hear anything from him after that.

 

If Babaooey and Jsilverjanet say that there isn't enough reason for adding Seerojas to the PL, that's fine with me. Apparently they don't have problems with buying things that turn out to be incomplete.

 

That's it for me. I have done my best to share my experience with Seerojas and that's all I think you can expect from me.

 

best, E

 

Sharing a bad experience here is definitely something that's appreciated. When I went back myself in the thread to remember what had happened, I found that I already have Seerojas on ignore (my way of making sure I keep track of potential problem people even before they make their way to the Probation List). I'm guessing I'm not the only one (and I probably did so following your initial complaint about him), so in that respect, if you wanted to warn the community (and see some form of "justice" done in the form of lost transactions for Seerojas, then you've likely done that.

 

That said, your comment

 

Nothing happened on the board as well, so I let it go as I had better things to do. Meaning: I gave up

 

places some responsibility (little as it may be) for his lack of being on the PL -- if there needed to be any assigned (and there doesn't) -- on inaction and inevitably indifference by you. The details of your transaction with Seerojas as you described them certainly would have warranted a PL spot for him at the time, but as others have pointed out, unfortunately you were not the only one having an issue with a board member back then. While it's a case of bad timing that your issue was lost in the other discussions going on then, if the ultimate goal was to put him on the PL, then I can only say that sometimes the case has to be brought back into the consciousness of the board members here if it gets inadvertently bumped into the background. Letting it go gives the impression to people that the issue has either been solved or the aggrieved party isn't interested in continuing on the PL path.

 

The point of my bringing this up is that, while no one would fault you for being aggravated at the lack of progress at putting Seerojas on the PL, you would be incorrect if you believe that a large number of board members are not interested in seeing resolutions to these situations -- or your particular situation -- come about. And you would be also incorrect -- and will be faulted -- for making subtle swipes at the characters of people like Hector (Jsilverjanet -- who has been as good a boardie to deal with here as they've come in my multiple interactions with him) and babaooey with comments like these

 

Apparently they don't have problems with buying things that turn out to be incomplete.

 

when they've only asked for further clarification regarding the details of a screwed-up transaction from a year ago, hardly a request that should be deemed unreasonable. As someone who's watched these things play out at least five years longer than you have, I can assure you that you're nowhere near the first person to be asked to clarify further about details on a PL matter, and you'll be nowhere near the last. And reactions like the quote above won't gain you support in the matter, but you'll have people like myself updating their "private lists" with another name instead.

 

Well said, CSF.

[Dutch74]

I have given information, Seerojas has joined the discussion, he didn't deny any of the specifics in my posts. What more do you want?

 

I have done my best to contribute and I feel that's where my responsibilty ends. Good luck in dealing with Seerojas.

 

E

 

 

 

[Dutch74]

And reactions like the quote above won't gain you support in the matter, but you'll have people like myself updating their "private lists" with another name instead.

 

No problem, due to the ASM667 discussion you are already on my private list. As are Babaooey, Jsilverjanet and RMA

 

 

[ChiSoxFan]

And reactions like the quote above won't gain you support in the matter, but you'll have people like myself updating their "private lists" with another name instead.

 

No problem, due to the ASM667 discussion you are already on my private list. As are Babaooey, Jsilverjanet and RMA

 

 

:sigh:

 

If you had done even a rudimentary check around here, my reputation for honest dealings and the way I treat people have spoken for themselves. The fact that you've made that decision, in the light of the fact that all I've done is simply try to give you friendly advice, in a calm, respectful fashion, tells me you're doing me a huge favor and speaks more about yourself than anything you think it might say about me.

 

I still wish you good luck getting your situation resolved, as no one deserves to get ripped off in a transaction. But if you think anything the four of us you name above did anything to warrant being put on a list to not be dealt with -- and if you somehow equate the people asking for more information about your situation or attempting to be helpful with the party you're accusing essentially of theft -- well, I'm questioning if anyone here is "worthy" enough to do business with you in the future.

 

 

[Jeffro.]

@ Dutch74, please add me to your "no deal with list"

[Jeffro.]

Let's get a list going

 

Dutch74's No Deal With List - Charter Members

bababooey

jsilverjanet

RMA

ChiSoxFan

 

 

Additions

Jeffro

?

?

?

?

[Junkdrawer]

Let's get a list going

 

Dutch74's No Deal With List - Charter Members

bababooey

jsilverjanet

RMA

ChiSoxFan

 

 

Additions

Jeffro

Junkdrawer

?

?

?