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[newshane]

Not sure if the boardie who purchased one of these fakes will bring this matter up here, but I wanted anyone not reading CG to be aware of it.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=9413098#Post9413098

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=9414257#Post9414257

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=9414340#Post9414340

 

I feel that it is my responsibility as a concerned member of this community to nominate munkalunk directly to the Hall of Shame for a number of egregious transgressions against the CGC community, eBay, and the hobby itself.

 

Summary: munkalunk, known as munkalunk228 on eBay, was recently caught selling fake double-cover comics on eBay. You can see how the drama unfolded by reading the links posted by awakeintheashes. At first, munkalunk played the victim by telling the board he purchased all of the double-cover comics from his local comic shop and was unaware that they were fakes. He is pressured by the board to identify the crooked comic shop. He refused to do. After further questioning, he finally breaks down and ADMITS that his "friend" was manufacturing the fake double-cover comics.

 

Here is a quick history:

 

1. On June 7th, I won an auction for what was listed as: SPAWN #259 DOUBLE COVER ERROR MISPRINT TODD MCFARLANE SATAN ANGELA. The winning bid was $16.27 and the shipping amount was $4.99. I immediately paid $21.26. The comic was delivered by munkalunk on June 14th.

 

2. I sent the comic for grading and it was received by CGC June 17th.

 

3. The next day, June 18th, JollyComic posted a thread about munkalunk in Comics General. You can read the discussions in the links quoted above by awakeintheashes. This is when I learned I was the victim of fraud.

 

4. I challenged munkalunk to make things right on the boards, but he refused to acknowledge me in the thread and I never received a PM.

 

5. I then contacted munkalunk228 on eBay and asked for a complete refund. At first, the seller offered a $10 refund. I won the comic for $16.27 and paid $4.99 shipping. That's a total investment of $21.26. Obviously, getting less than 50% back was not acceptable. He proceeds to blame the problem on his local comic shop.

 

 

6. I immediately respond that this isn't acceptable. I also threaten to go the authorities to report his fraudulent activity. This seems to get his attention. At this point, he very reluctantly offers to refund me, less shipping cost. According to him, this was the "right" thing.

 

 

7. Fortunately, he ends up refunding me for the $16.27 AND the $4.99 shipping charge. While this gets him off the hook for our deal, I'm still upset at the following:

 

A. There are other victims out there who may never learn they have purchased a fake. Something tells me that this seller will not be actively seeking out his customers to inform them of the situation. Some of his double-cover books have sold for well over $100.

 

B. I've already sent the book to get graded. So I'm still out on the $40 or so it takes to grade a comic. Hopefully I can call CGC first thing in the morning to cancel that order. I take ownership of that decision.

 

C. This guy is blaming it on his local comic shop but will not identify said shop. Deep down he knows that he has been involved in CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. We all know he won't name the shop because the shop doesn't exist. That tells me that this scumbag is manufacturing fakes and ripping people off!

 

D. His claims put all the comic shops within 50 miles of his address in a pretty rotten situation.

 

E. His eBay feedback will remain pristine because you cannot revise positive feedback. He will probably change his ID and continue to rip people off.

 

I guess it was only a matter of time before I got ripped off. I'm usually much more vigilant and careful about my purchases on eBay, but this was a time when I got over-excited about a relatively cheap item. I didn't even bother to look at his feedback. LESSON LEARNED.

 

Did I get a full refund?

 

Yes.

 

Did I email the user with news that I was nominating him?

 

No. It's important to note that he was very flippant when told by other members that he would probably get nominated. I'm sure he knows that his days here on the boards are over.

 

I believe that knowingly selling (and probably manufacturing) fake comics to unsuspecting customers is a serious breach of ethics in this hobby. I can't imagine someone being able to recover from such a thing. It is for that reason that I'm bringing this before the boards. I know nothing to do except put him directly on the HoS list. I've never had to nominate someone before, so excuse me if this is a breach of protocol, but I am here to open an official discussion and seek advice on how to protect others from this scheme.

 

So what shall we do?

 

If I need to officially nominate munkalunk to the HoS, then please consider it done.

 

See below for a comprehensive image of all his postings in the threads. Of course he went back and deleted some of them, but not before they were captured.

 

I am the seller of the books in question...and I'm here to say that I don't make or create fakes. I buy them from a local shop and list them on ebay to try and flip them....the same reason anyone sells on ebay. But due to all the slandering of me...I took all the books down from ebay cause it's not right that I get the 3rd degree for something even I am unaware of when buying these type of books. I'm sorry for any confusion regarding my listings and me as a seller. It was never my intent of starting a wave of judgment in my character.

 

Well I am no con artist by any means. I love error / misprint, double or more covered books...it just lets me know that I have been scammed and I wish to not do that to anyone else unbeknownst to me. I just don't want to be slandering for things that are out of my control. I respect CGC and the other companies for what they do in detecting fakes and labeling them as "MARRIED" on the labels. But it was never my intent to cause an uproar on ebay or the CGC chat boards.

 

I buy them from the shop (usually sold for between 50 to 150) and they are error books and I try sell them in hopes of making either my money back or more. But the guy usual cuts me a deal on the books cause that's what I buy from him the most. But now that I realize that these are possible fakes it's not in my consciousness to continue selling these type of books much less buy them anymore.

 

The dealer is a friend of mine (or he was now). But the shop is a local hot spot around here I can't put him or the shop on blast like that. Just know that I'm not going to be shopping there anymore and your minds should be put at ease.

 

I told you I'm not going to put the shop on blast.

 

I see everybody is still talking about this mess.

 

You want the truth well here it is...my friend makes the books. I didn't know he makes them until I asked him earlier. But I figured I could make a little off them by selling them on ebay not knowing they were fakes.

 

But after getting questioned about them over and over and taking them down...canceling bids and every other thing to do...but it still looks like I get the 3rd degree mess ( you adonis by the way)

 

I don't want to have anything further to do with this mess. But ALL of you are still riding my about it and I guess that makes yall feel good about it.

 

I can give 2 if I get banned....

 

CGC has given me nothing but problems for the last 2 years. And if you know how this plays out then yall have no life cause apparently yall stalk these chat rooms for tidbit wildly_fanciful_statement ohhh wait "kindergarten" wildly_fanciful_statement.

 

And I dont know why yall think im new here...been here 2 years....i just dont ever remember my password for this cause i actual have a life outside of the cyberworld.

 

[crassus]

If you wish to proceed with this you will need to send him a separate PM notifying him that you are nominating him for the HoS. Given the narrative it seems unlikely he will care to show up and answer to it, but it is a necessary procedure.

[HarveySwick]

There's no need for a seperate PM if this is a HOS nomination.

 

There IS a need for a poll though as it would be a community vote.

 

If this is just a PL nomination, that needs to be clarified and then a separate PM needs to be sent.

 

Either a Poll or seperate PM is needed.

[newshane]

If you wish to proceed with this you will need to send him a separate PM notifying him that you are nominating him for the HoS. Given the narrative it seems unlikely he will care to show up and answer to it, but it is a necessary procedure.

 

Okay. I just sent him a PM notifying him of this thread and my decision.

[crassus]

There's no need for a seperate PM if this is a HOS nomination.

 

There IS a need for a poll though as it would be a community vote.

 

If this is just a PL nomination, that needs to be clarified and then a separate PM needs to be sent.

 

Either a Poll or seperate PM is needed.

 

My understanding was that the HoS was subject to all the procedures of the PL with the exception of the vote

 

c) The Hall Of Shame candidate is subject to all of the above rules

[HarveySwick]

There's no need for a seperate PM if this is a HOS nomination.

 

There IS a need for a poll though as it would be a community vote.

 

If this is just a PL nomination, that needs to be clarified and then a separate PM needs to be sent.

 

Either a Poll or seperate PM is needed.

 

My understanding was that the HoS was subject to all the procedures of the PL with the exception of the vote

 

c) The Hall Of Shame candidate is subject to all of the above rules

 

You are correct.

[shadroch]

Can people be put on this for off board transactions?

[MustEatBrains]

Can people be put on this for off board transactions?

 

I think so.

[newshane]

Can people be put on this for off board transactions?

 

That's what the rules say. He is a board member, even though the transaction was over eBay. He ripped off me, and I am a boardie.

 

[crassus]

Can people be put on this for off board transactions?

 

As I understand it, all that is necessary is that both parties were board members at the time of the transaction, if that is the case it can occur on the moon and it is eligible.

[HarveySwick]

A Transaction between board members is not confined to the CGC Message Boards. Any transaction between forum members, regardless of the venue, is eligible for inclusion in the PL.

 

HOS/PL Rules

[crassus]

when it comes to business between Boardies the Boards practice Universal Jurisdiction!

[newshane]

I do want to state for clarity that I received a full refund.

 

But this problem transcends our transaction.

 

Other people have been damaged. All I want is for them to be made whole again. And I want people to protect themselves against falling for the same scam.

 

This is also explicitly criminal. I just don't see how we couldn't move to ban this guy.

[crassus]

The HoS is not the same as a ban, I believe a ban is the sole prerogative of management.

[newshane]

The HoS is not the same as a ban, I believe a ban is the sole prerogative of management.

 

Sorry. I should have been more precise with my language. You are correct. Thanks for helping us keep this straight.

[wombat]

So is the poll even valid at this point? Didn't we have another situation where we had to do the poll a number of times?

[crassus]

So is the poll even valid at this point? Didn't we have another situation where we had to do the poll a number of times?

 

I think so too, but I cannot remember exactly. It is customary also isn't it to post a notice of the poll with a link in CG?

[Chaseman210]

Somebody voted no?

[newshane]

So is the poll even valid at this point? Didn't we have another situation where we had to do the poll a number of times?

 

I think so too, but I cannot remember exactly. It is customary also isn't it to post a notice of the poll with a link in CG?

 

The poll has been linked from within a thread in CG.

[crassus]

So is the poll even valid at this point? Didn't we have another situation where we had to do the poll a number of times?

 

I think so too, but I cannot remember exactly. It is customary also isn't it to post a notice of the poll with a link in CG?

 

The poll has been linked from within a thread in CG.

 

That could get lost in the thread no? And newcomers to the topic might miss it.