Hedge Collector Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 My copy is just as nice...the four corners are a little bit better...why not a 9.0 Hard to focus on the corners when my eyes keep being pulled back to the miswrap. This well explains why Showcase 22 does not exist in 9.2 or better; such as books like Brave and the Bold 28, Showcase 4, Flash 105, Green Lantern 1 SA. I don't think miswrap well explains why there are no > 9.0. There are plenty of SA miswraps that I've been surprised to see 9.6 and 9.8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 (edited) My copy is just as nice...the four corners are a little bit better...why not a 9.0 Hard to focus on the corners when my eyes keep being pulled back to the miswrap. This well explains why Showcase 22 does not exist in 9.2 or better; such as books like Brave and the Bold 28, Showcase 4, Flash 105, Green Lantern 1 SA. I don't think miswrap well explains why there are no > 9.0. There are plenty of SA miswraps that I've been surprised to see 9.6 and 9.8. Quite true. On another note, I just callled CGC for the graders note. They said the pre-graders graded it 8.5 and 9.0. They decided as an 8.5 with no questions asked. They also saild it's a very strong 8.5 and no notes about miswraps. I should have contacted them earlier for this. (thumbs u Edited October 15, 2009 by showcase22gr1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dikran Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 CGC doesnt consider miswrap a defect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted October 15, 2009 Author Share Posted October 15, 2009 (edited) They should not allow large miswraps/miscuts on any books 9.4 or higher IMHO. Sportscards get graded based on centering at the upper end so comics should as well. Edited October 15, 2009 by kimik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted October 15, 2009 Author Share Posted October 15, 2009 why no mention of the real 9.0 in the heritage auction? Three pages back. It did not generate much interest yet. I wonder if we will see some census creep. Are there some books in mylar that will be shook free and give us a 9.4 or 9.6. Why would there be census creep? This is the same 9.0 that sold on Heritage back in May 2006 for $15,535. Looks like this Gary Keller guy has been a big buyer over the last few years and has suddenly decided to unload everything. Well, all you guys who've been speculating as to how much a 9.0 SC 22 would go for in today's market will finally get an answer. Especially with one of the big players no longer in the picture. Hopefully there are other big DC players willing to chase it, as well as some of the x-over Marvel fanboys as well. In any case, it should produce a record price for the book that will hopefully trickle down a bit as well. (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peewee22 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 My copy is just as nice...the four corners are a little bit better...why not a 9.0 Hard to focus on the corners when my eyes keep being pulled back to the miswrap. This well explains why Showcase 22 does not exist in 9.2 or better; such as books like Brave and the Bold 28, Showcase 4, Flash 105, Green Lantern 1 SA. I don't think miswrap well explains why there are no > 9.0. There are plenty of SA miswraps that I've been surprised to see 9.6 and 9.8. Quite true. On another note, I just callled CGC for the graders note. They said the pre-graders graded it 8.5 and 9.0. They decided as an 8.5 with no questions asked. They also saild it's a very strong 8.5 and no notes about miswraps. I should have contacted them earlier for this. (thumbs u Resub it 10x...the law of probability & stats says it has to change (but up or down?)... kimik said he'd foot the bill for ya... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 My copy is just as nice...the four corners are a little bit better...why not a 9.0 Hard to focus on the corners when my eyes keep being pulled back to the miswrap. This well explains why Showcase 22 does not exist in 9.2 or better; such as books like Brave and the Bold 28, Showcase 4, Flash 105, Green Lantern 1 SA. I don't think miswrap well explains why there are no > 9.0. There are plenty of SA miswraps that I've been surprised to see 9.6 and 9.8. Quite true. On another note, I just callled CGC for the graders note. They said the pre-graders graded it 8.5 and 9.0. They decided as an 8.5 with no questions asked. They also saild it's a very strong 8.5 and no notes about miswraps. I should have contacted them earlier for this. (thumbs u Resub it 10x...the law of probability & stats says it has to change (but up or down?)... kimik said he'd foot the bill for ya... It's like black and red...you and I should perhaps resub someday. It's a different of K's if you know what I mean. I guess someone was being very strict that day for grading my copy and the day they graded your copy. Do I sense WP for your copy for the next submission? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 My copy is just as nice...the four corners are a little bit better...why not a 9.0 Hard to focus on the corners when my eyes keep being pulled back to the miswrap. This well explains why Showcase 22 does not exist in 9.2 or better; such as books like Brave and the Bold 28, Showcase 4, Flash 105, Green Lantern 1 SA. I don't think miswrap well explains why there are no > 9.0. There are plenty of SA miswraps that I've been surprised to see 9.6 and 9.8. Quite true. On another note, I just callled CGC for the graders note. They said the pre-graders graded it 8.5 and 9.0. They decided as an 8.5 with no questions asked. They also saild it's a very strong 8.5 and no notes about miswraps. I should have contacted them earlier for this. (thumbs u Resub it 10x...the law of probability & stats says it has to change (but up or down?)... kimik said he'd foot the bill for ya... No - I need to save all of my $$$ for some of the Mound City books. It would be interesting to see what they would do on a resub, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Hi Everyone the CGC census has been updated. There a a record 18 new submissions for Showcase 22 for a total of 264 and still no copies above 9.0. (thumbs u Below is the list of the new additions. 1- 9.0 I beleive this the Detective27kid copy 1- 7.5 1- 7.0 1- 6.5 1- 6.0 1- 5.0 3- 4.5 1- 4.0 2- 3.0 1- 2.5 2- 2.0 1- 1.0 Restored 1- 7.5 1- 1.8 Updated list 10/16/09 Top high grade holders and sales of CGC Showcase 22: 9.0 Heritage auction ow 9.0 ComicLink auction ow 8.5 Nicolas Cage Heritage auction crm/ow 8.5 Showcase22gr1959 from threads crm/ow 8.5 Doc Joe from threads crm/ow 8.0 Mound City crm/ow 8.0 Metropolis Comics private sale 8.0 Private collector 8.0 Private collector 7.5 Peewee from threads ow/w 7.5 Palamas from threads crm/ow 7.5 Private collector 7.5 Private collector 7.0 SilverRich from threads crm/ow 7.0 Heritage auction crm/ow 7.0 ComicLink crm/ow 7.0 ComicLink lt/ow 7.0 Foolkiller from threads ow 7.0 Private collector 7.0 Private collector 7.0 Private collector 7.0 Private collector 6.5 ComicLink ow/w 6.5 ComicLink ow 6.5 Boardie from threads crm/ow (not in CGC census yet) (private sale 9/09 Detective27kid no longer owns it) 6.5 ComicLink crm/ow 6.5 Private collector 6.0 Showcase22gr1959 from thread white 6.0 M. Wilson (dizneyart) ebay auction ow/w 6.0 Heritage auction crm/ow 6.0 lt/ow boardie from threads (Foolkiller no longer owns it) 6.0 Private collector 6.0 Private collector 6.0 Private collector 6.0 Private collector 6.0 Private collector Record sales 2009 7.5 ow/w boardie 8/09 $10500 6.5 crm/ow Detective27kid private sale, estimate sale $5500-6000 6.0 lt/ow boardie 9/28/09 $4500 5.5 ow Ebay 10/4/09 $3995.00 (same copy sold on 9/05/09) 5.0 ow Comic Connect 9/26/09 $3100 4.0 crm/ow boardie 8/23/09 $1700 4.0 crm/ow boardie 9/18/09 $1700 3.5 ow Ebay 10/4/09 $1400 3.0 lt/ow Ebay 10/9/09 $1295 (same copy sold on CL 9/14/09) 3.0 ow boardie 9/19/09 $1150 2.5 lt/ow boardie 9/19/09 $750 2.0 cr/ow boardie 9/19/09 $600 2.0 cr/ow boardie 9/19/09 $600 Notable sales 2009 5.5 ow Ebay 9/5/09 $3803.64 4.5 lt/ow Comic Connect 9/26/09 $1501 3.0 crm/ow Ebay 9/20/09 $961.02 3.0 ow Ebay 9/29/09 $911.00 3.0 lt/ow ComicLink 9/14/09 $1125 3.0 crm/ow ComicLink 10/4/09 $1100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Looking at your list, I think it is safe to put the 9.0 Clink copy as in the rock solid hands of a Private Collector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) Looking at your list, I think it is safe to put the 9.0 Clink copy as in the rock solid hands of a Private Collector. Do you know who owns the ComicLink copy? The CL copy looks like the best eye appeal copy unless the new 9.0 copy is also off-white pages and we need to see a scan of it. Edited October 16, 2009 by showcase22gr1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) Hi Everyone the CGC census has been updated. There a a record 18 new submissions for Showcase 22 for a total of 264 and still no copies above 9.0. \(thumbs u Below is the list of the new additions. 1- 9.0 I beleive this the Detective27kid copy 1- 7.5 1- 7.0 1- 6.5 1- 6.0 1- 5.0 3- 4.5 1- 4.0 2- 3.0 1- 2.5 2- 2.0 1- 1.0 Restored 1- 7.5 1- 1.8 Updated list 10/16/09 Top high grade holders and sales of CGC Showcase 22: 9.0 Heritage auction ow 9.0 ComicLink auction ow 9.0 Detective27kid private sale? 8.5 Nicolas Cage Heritage auction crm/ow 8.5 Showcase22gr1959 from threads crm/ow 8.5 Doc Joe from threads crm/ow 8.0 Mound City crm/ow 8.0 Metropolis Comics private sale 8.0 Private collector 8.0 Private collector 7.5 Peewee from threads ow/w 7.5 Palamas from threads crm/ow 7.5 Private collector 7.5 Private collector 7.5 Private collector 7.0 SilverRich from threads crm/ow 7.0 Heritage auction crm/ow 7.0 ComicLink crm/ow 7.0 ComicLink lt/ow 7.0 Foolkiller from threads ow 7.0 Private collector 7.0 Private collector 7.0 Private collector 7.0 Private collector 7.0 Private collector 6.5 ComicLink ow/w 6.5 ComicLink ow :news:6.5 Quality Comics crm/ow 6.5 ComicLink crm/ow 6.5 Private collector 6.0 Showcase22gr1959 from thread white 6.0 M. Wilson (dizneyart) ebay auction ow/w 6.0 Heritage auction crm/ow 6.0 lt/ow boardie from threads (Foolkiller no longer owns it) 6.0 Private collector 6.0 Private collector 6.0 Private collector 6.0 Private collector 6.0 Private collector 6.0 Private collector Record sales 2009 9.0 Detective27kid copy and private sale??? estimate sale $35000-50000 7.5 ow/w boardie 8/09 $10500 6.5 crm/ow Detective27kid private sale, estimate sale $5500-6000 6.0 lt/ow boardie 9/28/09 $4500 5.5 ow Ebay 10/4/09 $3995.00 (same copy sold on 9/05/09) 5.0 ow Comic Connect 9/26/09 $3100 4.0 crm/ow boardie 8/23/09 $1700 4.0 crm/ow boardie 9/18/09 $1700 3.5 ow Ebay 10/4/09 $1400 3.0 lt/ow Ebay 10/9/09 $1295 (same copy sold on CL 9/14/09) 3.0 ow boardie 9/19/09 $1150 2.5 lt/ow boardie 9/19/09 $750 2.0 cr/ow boardie 9/19/09 $600 2.0 cr/ow boardie 9/19/09 $600 Notable sales 2009 5.5 ow Ebay 9/5/09 $3803.64 4.5 lt/ow Comic Connect 9/26/09 $1501 3.0 crm/ow Ebay 9/20/09 $961.02 3.0 ow Ebay 9/29/09 $911.00 3.0 lt/ow ComicLink 9/14/09 $1125 3.0 crm/ow ComicLink 10/4/09 $1100 Edited October 16, 2009 by showcase22gr1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) Looking at your list, I think it is safe to put the 9.0 Clink copy as in the rock solid hands of a Private Collector. Do you know who owns the ComicLink copy? The CL copy looks like the best eye appeal copy unless the new 9.0 copy is also off-white pages and we need to see a scan of it. Nah, just speculation since it has not come up in an auction yet. I have heard rumors that it belongs to one of the big HG DC collectors, though. Mind you, since it looks nicer than the HA 9.0 based on the old scans I saw they might be playing it smart by seeing what type of a price the HA 9.0 copy fetches. Edited October 16, 2009 by kimik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Collector Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Below is the list of the new additions. 1- 9.0 I beleive this the Detective27kid copy Was this copy to be held in his private collection, or is the buyer most likely to flip it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Below is the list of the new additions. 1- 9.0 I beleive this the Detective27kid copy Was this copy to be held in his private collection, or is the buyer most likely to flip it? Sounds like a flipper (I really don't know) if he is willing to pay the premium for a raw 8.5 or 9.0. Rick probably has a better sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Below is the list of the new additions. 1- 9.0 I beleive this the Detective27kid copy Was this copy to be held in his private collection, or is the buyer most likely to flip it? Sounds like a flipper (I really don't know) if he is willing to pay the premium for a raw 8.5 or 9.0. Rick probably has a better sense. Well, at one point Rick was going to keep this book as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Below is the list of the new additions. 1- 9.0 I beleive this the Detective27kid copy Was this copy to be held in his private collection, or is the buyer most likely to flip it? Sounds like a flipper (I really don't know) if he is willing to pay the premium for a raw 8.5 or 9.0. Rick probably has a better sense. Well, at one point Rick was going to keep this book as well. I was indeed, but when folks offer you BIG money for a comic, well, I have been known to sell...and, by nature (Golden age mainly), I am not a high grade collector, so I am just as happy with a 5.0 as a 9.0 and a lot of $'s in the bank (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Below is the list of the new additions. 1- 9.0 I beleive this the Detective27kid copy Was this copy to be held in his private collection, or is the buyer most likely to flip it? Sounds like a flipper (I really don't know) if he is willing to pay the premium for a raw 8.5 or 9.0. Rick probably has a better sense. one thing the GA crowd knows about me, that the SA crowd might not (well, except Nik, rest in peace, he knew) is that folks LOVE to buy my 8.0's and 8.5's raw.... I sold Nik several 8.0's and 8.5's and all came back 9.0 and 9.2 from cgc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Below is the list of the new additions. 1- 9.0 I beleive this the Detective27kid copy Was this copy to be held in his private collection, or is the buyer most likely to flip it? Sounds like a flipper (I really don't know) if he is willing to pay the premium for a raw 8.5 or 9.0. Rick probably has a better sense. one thing the GA crowd knows about me, that the SA crowd might not (well, except Nik, rest in peace, he knew) is that folks LOVE to buy my 8.0's and 8.5's raw.... I sold Nik several 8.0's and 8.5's and all came back 9.0 and 9.2 from cgc Rick, well done! Everyone's happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) Below is the list of the new additions. 1- 9.0 I beleive this the Detective27kid copy Was this copy to be held in his private collection, or is the buyer most likely to flip it? Sounds like a flipper (I really don't know) if he is willing to pay the premium for a raw 8.5 or 9.0. Rick probably has a better sense. Well, at one point Rick was going to keep this book as well. I was indeed, but when folks offer you BIG money for a comic, well, I have been known to sell...and, by nature (Golden age mainly), I am not a high grade collector, so I am just as happy with a 5.0 as a 9.0 and a lot of $'s in the bank (thumbs u Personally, I would have done the same thing in all likelihood, and would have no choice if told my wife about a big offer before making a final decision. While I am the man of the house, the priveleges are not as great as the marriage documents said they would be. Edited October 16, 2009 by kimik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
