I am going to re-read Liefelds New Mutants run.

[Timmay]

 

I was wondering when somebody was going to step up.

 

Obviously he was a big hit back in the day. I wonder how many people posting today actually read it and enjoyed it.

 

 

My initial "go-around" in collecting was in full effect when Liefield hit the scene. I was never a big fan of his, but I had a friend that collected that was rabid about him.

 

A few years back, Liefield was one of the guest artists in B'more. I couldn't believe the line for him. He may have had even more people than Jim Lee or Frank Cho. So you're correct, Roy. He still has a very large following.

 

I think NM#98 will be his ASM#300 (even moreso than NM#87). Deadpool was one of the better new characters of that time. I think the book is one of the few books from that time-period that will garner a premium compared to others from the same time.

 

too bad the cover looks likes it lined my parakeet cage

[RockMyAmadeus]

I think I'm the only person who does like his art. I don't know why. I just do. I know it's bad. Maybe I have tumor.

 

I don't mind it either. People think it is cool to slam him whether they really dislike him or not. No, he is not great with anatomy. But neither were some other artists including Kirby, yet they worship him. TOS #88 has one of the worst covers I have ever seen, yet nobody talks about it.

 

No..... Liefeld is no Neal Adams. He made a certain style of art which was very stylized and which EVERYBODY was crazy about when it came out. I worked in a store at the time, and people were absolutely nuts about it. They liked it as much as Jim Lee X-Men, and nearly as much as McFarlane Spider-man. New Mutants #87 was the hottest book I had ever seen to that point.

 

My advice, read it and make up your own mind.

 

I was wondering when somebody was going to step up.

 

Obviously he was a big hit back in the day. I wonder how many people posting today actually read it and enjoyed it.

 

 

 

As it came out, #93-up.

 

 

[comix4fun]

I have a stiff wire-bristle brush I could use for cleaning my ears.....

 

 

 

-slym

 

 

 

I sometimes like to take a meat thermometer and just shove it right into my ear, as far as it will go.

 

I hate it when that happens.

 

 

[comix4fun]

I think I'm the only person who does like his art. I don't know why. I just do. I know it's bad. Maybe I have tumor.

 

I don't mind it either. People think it is cool to slam him whether they really dislike him or not. No, he is not great with anatomy. But neither were some other artists including Kirby, yet they worship him. TOS #88 has one of the worst covers I have ever seen, yet nobody talks about it.

No..... Liefeld is no Neal Adams. He made a certain style of art which was very stylized and which EVERYBODY was crazy about when it came out. I worked in a store at the time, and people were absolutely nuts about it. They liked it as much as Jim Lee X-Men, and nearly as much as McFarlane Spider-man. New Mutants #87 was the hottest book I had ever seen to that point.

 

My advice, read it and make up your own mind.

 

 

 

 

Stop....stop right now.

 

Dale, I like you, but this kind of post makes me want to demand an at home breathalizer be used before people are allowed to post because what you wrote only makes sense after a fifth of Captain Morgan with crack rocks as ice cubes.

 

You could have gone any of 100 directions with comparisons to other artists that are popular yet flawed in their technique, but you chose The King?

 

Jack Kirby had bowel movements that had more artistic merit than Liefeld on his best day.

 

TOS #88 (the book you chose) was pubbed in April 1967. That month Jack Kirby penciled 3 covers and did 44 pages on interior art. And all the books came out on time.

 

Jack Kirby had been a working artist, steadily improving his craft and influencing the comic art world for over 30 years by the time TOS #88 came out.

 

And BTW....Nobody talks about how bad Kirby's cover is on TOS #88 because TOS #88 had a Gil Kane cover.

[bryan91]

Jack Kirby had bowel movements that had more artistic merit than Liefeld on his best day.

 

 

[RockMyAmadeus]

 

And BTW....Nobody talks about how bad Kirby's cover is on TOS #88 because TOS #88 had a Gil Kane cover.

 

Ouch.

 

That's GOTTA hurt.

[HarrisonJohn]

Rob's initial art wasn't bad at all, but went downhill and became a parody of itself. IMO Greg Land is the Rob Liefeld of today. Initially I liked it a lot, now I just ask WTF?

[chrisco37]

Rob's initial art wasn't bad at all, but went downhill and became a parody of itself. IMO Greg Land is the Rob Liefeld of today. Initially I liked it a lot, now I just ask WTF?

 

Wow! I didn't realize Rob Liefeld used a light-box for his art. He's even worse then "we" thought.

[Logan510]

I can honestly say that back then Liefeld's art drove me off of New Mutants just like McFarlane's drove me off both Hulk and Spider-Man. They just weren't my cup of tea. I will say this about Liefeld, when he first started out he did show some raw potential, unfortunately it never really developed, but I won't begrudge him his success.

Interesting aside: When I was in art school in Chicago, one of my teachers had been the last art director for First Comics before they went out of business. He told the story about how he offered Liefeld his first "real pro" assignment at First, but before he started he was lured away by DC to do the Hawk & Dove mini. He told us that he thought young Liefeld showed a lot of promise and had no idea that his work would turn out the way it did.

[slym2none]

I remember reading most of the Image stuff that was sold in the newsstand that I worked at, but I stayed away from Youngblood and then all the other Liefeld-clones that came after him (Marat Michaels on Brigade comes to mind.)

 

In other words, I read it, made up my own mind, and thought it was . I bet a lot of the other people who now say "he sucks!" did the same as I.

 

 

 

-slym

[Flaming_Telepath]

I think I'm the only person who does like his art. I don't know why. I just do. I know it's bad. Maybe I have tumor.

 

I don't mind it either. People think it is cool to slam him whether they really dislike him or not. No, he is not great with anatomy. But neither were some other artists including Kirby, yet they worship him. TOS #88 has one of the worst covers I have ever seen, yet nobody talks about it.

 

No..... Liefeld is no Neal Adams. He made a certain style of art which was very stylized and which EVERYBODY was crazy about when it came out. I worked in a store at the time, and people were absolutely nuts about it. They liked it as much as Jim Lee X-Men, and nearly as much as McFarlane Spider-man. New Mutants #87 was the hottest book I had ever seen to that point.

 

My advice, read it and make up your own mind.

 

I actually picked up on Liefeld on DC's Hawk & Dove...and couldn't stomach it then. I suspect his popularity at the time was simply that he was fresh and different. Different in that he couldn't draw, admittedly, but different none the less.

 

And yes, Kirby must have realised how bad his cover was to TOS #88 and so made it look like Gil Kane had drawn it to cover his tracks.

[goldust40]

I think I'm the only person who does like his art. I don't know why. I just do. I know it's bad. Maybe I have tumor.

 

I don't mind it either. People think it is cool to slam him whether they really dislike him or not. No, he is not great with anatomy. But neither were some other artists including Kirby, yet they worship him. TOS #88 has one of the worst covers I have ever seen, yet nobody talks about it.

 

No..... Liefeld is no Neal Adams. He made a certain style of art which was very stylized and which EVERYBODY was crazy about when it came out. I worked in a store at the time, and people were absolutely nuts about it. They liked it as much as Jim Lee X-Men, and nearly as much as McFarlane Spider-man. New Mutants #87 was the hottest book I had ever seen to that point.

 

My advice, read it and make up your own mind.

 

I was wondering when somebody was going to step up.

 

Obviously he was a big hit back in the day. I wonder how many people posting today actually read it and enjoyed it.

 

 

I guess his success does validate his alleged "artistry" - dammit, if he was popular, he must've been all right.

 

His storytelling skills and characterization were non-existent, too.

 

I got back into comics after an eight year hiatus around the time McFarlane, Lee, and Liefeld were just getting big. All I can remember thinking when I first saw Liefeld's work was that the bar had been lowered across the board. And the way that Youngblood was hyped back then was pretty grim, especially after you'd actually perused the product. No way can anyone defend that book.

[lb jefferies]

Hilarious. Did anyone get to #14 on that list of Liefeld's worst drawings?

 

"Oh mercy, I just realized that the guy has a semi-short haircut everywhere, but has a real long ponytail, and then ALSO has two long braids coming out of like the back of his neck somewhere. Can you imagine how hard you would elbow your friend if you saw a dude with three ponytails? You would elbow the mess out of them."

 

Spit out my coffee funny....

[awe4one]

I reread the run a couple years ago. It's not terrible at all. While I wasn't as excited as I was when they were released, it's not a bad run. And I'll even say that Liefeld's art wasn't that bad overall. The X-books as a whole were very hot at the time for a reason...they were some pretty damn good comics and NM's was a part of that ride...with Claremont/Lee's X-Men the polesitter...

 

Jim

[Doctor Svord]

I can honestly say that back then Liefeld's art drove me off of New Mutants just like McFarlane's drove me off both Hulk and Spider-Man. They just weren't my cup of tea. I will say this about Liefeld, when he first started out he did show some raw potential, unfortunately it never really developed, but I won't begrudge him his success.

Interesting aside: When I was in art school in Chicago, one of my teachers had been the last art director for First Comics before they went out of business. He told the story about how he offered Liefeld his first "real pro" assignment at First, but before he started he was lured away by DC to do the Hawk & Dove mini. He told us that he thought young Liefeld showed a lot of promise and had no idea that his work would turn out the way it did.

 

If you're talking about Alex Wald (First Comics), that guy was as cool as hell to me when he didn't have to be, so hats off to him. Art Academy? SAIC here.

 

As far as Liefeld goes... I wasn't a fan from the very beginning, but I agree wholeheartedly with the bold sentiment above. Well said.

[gaz2810i]

Rob's initial art wasn't bad at all, but went downhill and became a parody of itself. IMO Greg Land is the Rob Liefeld of today. Initially I liked it a lot, now I just ask WTF?

 

I hate Liefield's art as much as the next man but I would takes his work over Lands any day

 

Man, I'm glad I used my 500th post to say something worthwhile. I really do hate Gregg Lands work on UXM

[MR.COMICBOOK]

 

I was wondering when somebody was going to step up.

 

Obviously he was a big hit back in the day. I wonder how many people posting today actually read it and enjoyed it.

 

 

My initial "go-around" in collecting was in full effect when Liefield hit the scene. I was never a big fan of his, but I had a friend that collected that was rabid about him.

 

A few years back, Liefield was one of the guest artists in B'more. I couldn't believe the line for him. He may have had even more people than Jim Lee or Frank Cho. So you're correct, Roy. He still has a very large following.

 

I think NM#98 will be his ASM#300 (even moreso than NM#87). Deadpool was one of the better new characters of that time. I think the book is one of the few books from that time-period that will garner a premium compared to others from the same time.

Those are probally the last 3 keys for marvel/dc mainstream and liefeld is involved with two of them. kind of weird if you think about it

[shortstack comics]

Rob's initial art wasn't bad at all, but went downhill and became a parody of itself. IMO Greg Land is the Rob Liefeld of today. Initially I liked it a lot, now I just ask WTF?

 

I hate Liefield's art as much as the next man but I would takes his work over Lands any day

 

Man, I'm glad I used my 500th post to say something worthwhile. I really do hate Gregg Lands work on UXM

 

Seconded. I would take Liefield's work over Land's porn tracings anyday. Look through the Ulitmates/Supreme crossover hardcover. You will find the same picture used more than 15 times for at least 5 different characters.

[Logan510]

I can honestly say that back then Liefeld's art drove me off of New Mutants just like McFarlane's drove me off both Hulk and Spider-Man. They just weren't my cup of tea. I will say this about Liefeld, when he first started out he did show some raw potential, unfortunately it never really developed, but I won't begrudge him his success.

Interesting aside: When I was in art school in Chicago, one of my teachers had been the last art director for First Comics before they went out of business. He told the story about how he offered Liefeld his first "real pro" assignment at First, but before he started he was lured away by DC to do the Hawk & Dove mini. He told us that he thought young Liefeld showed a lot of promise and had no idea that his work would turn out the way it did.

 

If you're talking about Alex Wald (First Comics), that guy was as cool as hell to me when he didn't have to be, so hats off to him. Art Academy? SAIC here.

 

As far as Liefeld goes... I wasn't a fan from the very beginning, but I agree wholeheartedly with the bold sentiment above. Well said.

 

Yep, Alex Wald, I agree he's a very cool dude. American Academy of Art here

[VintageComics]

I think I'm the only person who does like his art. I don't know why. I just do. I know it's bad. Maybe I have tumor.

 

I don't mind it either. People think it is cool to slam him whether they really dislike him or not. No, he is not great with anatomy. But neither were some other artists including Kirby, yet they worship him. TOS #88 has one of the worst covers I have ever seen, yet nobody talks about it.

 

No..... Liefeld is no Neal Adams. He made a certain style of art which was very stylized and which EVERYBODY was crazy about when it came out. I worked in a store at the time, and people were absolutely nuts about it. They liked it as much as Jim Lee X-Men, and nearly as much as McFarlane Spider-man. New Mutants #87 was the hottest book I had ever seen to that point.

 

My advice, read it and make up your own mind.

 

I was wondering when somebody was going to step up.

 

Obviously he was a big hit back in the day. I wonder how many people posting today actually read it and enjoyed it.

 

 

I guess his success does validate his alleged "artistry" - dammit, if he was popular, he must've been all right.

 

 

I used to feel the same way about Kirby.